Richard Dawkins and Dan Barker Have Done the Church a Favor

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Together, with the help of a few of their friends, Dawkins and Barker have initiated the Clergy Project.

In doing so, Dawkins, Barker, and their ilk have done Christianity a favor. And I would like to thank them for their efforts.

Before I continue, let me add that there is no sarcasm in my gratitude toward Dawkins and Barker. Again, I believe they have done Christianity a favor.

1 John 2:18-19 is helpful, here, to show us the service Dawkins and Barker have provided to the Church.

“Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.”

 

Written By: Ray Comfort
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77 COMMENTS

  1.  

    “Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the
    antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how
    we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not
    really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have
    remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to
    us.”

    Anyone
    who has joined Dawkins’ and Barker’s “Apostates Anonymous” club were
    never Christians to begin with. As the apostle John made clear about the
    Gnostics of his day, so it is with any member of the “clergy” who turn
    their back on Christ. “They went out from us, but they did not really
    belong to us.”

    Ah! TROOOOOoooooo Xtians would not leave, so they must have been unconverted in the first place – according to the delusionists.

    People seeing reason and reality for themselves, has to be denied in the mind of the Trooooooo believer!
    A bit pathetic really! 
    There could not possibly be a real world outside the shiny,  reflective, delusional, head-bucket of unevidenced faith, so the sheeples must be firmly informed of this by posturing, pseudo-authority figures.

  2. Barking mad!

    I tried to post this comment, but you can bet that Ray won’t let it slip through the cracks:

    ===================

    Oh… my! Let me see if I understand. We need to accept Jesus as our “Saviour” to pay for our sins. Assuming that there really is a God that demands such a payment, why would you have someone else pay for your sins? If you really and truly loved your brother Jesus, you would pay for your own sins, rather than allowing him to do it for you. That is the epitome of selfishness, the most un-Christian attitude I have ever heard.

  3.  

    “Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the
    antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how
    we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not
    really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have
    remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to
    us.

    Yes!  The childish sheeples must be firmly told that independent rational thinking, proves that the brains of those thinkers do not BELONG to their preachers or religious memes.  They must be led to believe they have never BELONGED to those religious memes, before any more sheeples spot that scientific enlightenment can free their minds from enslavement by the likes of Ray Comfort!

    . .. .even now many antichrists have come

    The magical “antichrist” tag for opposition to his delusional rantings!

    Richard Dawkins and Dan Barker, who foolishly deny the existence of God while actually knowing God exists are being used by God to separate the weeds from the wheat

    Comfort is so ignorant and deeply deluded, that he refuses to recognise that atheists genuinely, do not “Know that God exists”! 
    Still ! I supposes his uncritical sheeples following will lap up this sort of garbage!

  4. I agree that Richard and others are working very hard to de-convert all false christians – i.e. all christians.  All belief in supernatural nonsense is false belief so Ray Comfort is right, except he thinks there are actually real christians in the world.  There aren’t.

  5. > It will back-fire on them much the same way Richard
    Dawkins holding up Ray Comfort’s “On the Origin of Species (special
    edition)” and “180″ back-fired.

     

    Miano offers no evidence those failed, let alone the CP will.

     

    > their attempt to arrogantly rail against the before-mentioned
    Christian evangelism resources only served to increase interest in them.

     

    I’ve literally never heard of 180 or of RD talking about it. Since RD is
    wont to comment on this very site, I wouldn’t mind hearing him explain it in
    more details here; nor would him doing that surprise me. But in the linked
    video, he says nothing about it.

    > 1 John 2:18-19 is helpful, here, to show us the service Dawkins and Barker
    have provided to the Church. “Dear children, this is the last hour; and as
    you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have
    come. This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they
    did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have
    remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to
    us.”

     

    1J2:18-19 *claims* ex-priests “don’t count”, but it doesn’t provide any evidence,
    so doesn’t “help”. In fact, it is a laughably false claim. Dan Barker, for
    example, almost bankrupted himself travelling across Mexico to preach the
    Gospel. How was he “fake”? In any case, the “anyone who ever doesn’t believe it
    never previously did, even if all evidence suggests they did” claim, under any
    construal whereby it’s not already falsified, is not only unfalsifiable; it
    doesn’t even give us a reason to think the beliefs in question are reasonable.
    At best, it would make them deeply pernicious in their irresistible permanence.

     

    > [They] foolishly deny the existence of God (Psalm 14:1-3), while
    actually knowing God exists (Romans 1:18), are being used by God to separate
    the weeds from the wheat (Matthew 13:24-30), to identify wolves in sheep’s
    clothing (Matthew 7:15-16), and to reveal those who are apostate within the
    Body of Christ (Hebrews 6:4-6)

     

    This guy literally thinks “the Bible says X, so X is true” counts as a
    good argument. It doesn’t. It’s an argument from authority, where the authority’s
    knowing what it’s talking about is the very subject of contention. *How* do you
    know the Bible is reliable? Wait, let me guess; because its authorship is
    divine – “it says so”, after all. This is circular reasoning. What is more,
    many of its claims are demonstrably false, even before we notice the countless
    times the Bible contradicts itself. To take the cited examples alone, besides
    the first one I already debunked, consider that 93 % of the members or the
    National Academy of Sciences are not fools.

    > There is nothing the likes of Dawkins and Barker can do to turn genuine
    believers away from Jesus Christ (John 10:27-29; John 6:37-38; Romans 8:38-39)

     

    Is that the *definition* of genuine believers in this case or not? If it
    is, it’s a tautology that doesn’t tell you how many of the 2 billion Christians
    today “count”; if not, it is provably wrong. Either way, no hope for the Church’s
    future can be garnered from this argument.

     

    > You may have never been a
    Christian to begin with. You may be a false convert.

    Why is it suddenly “may”?

    > You may have walked like a Christian, talked like a Christian, prayed like
    a Christian, worshiped like a Christian, served like a Christian, and witnessed
    like a Christian

     

    If every single empirical indicator points one way, you’re not allowed
    to think the exact opposite just because you refuse to admit Christians could
    ever change their mind.

    > No one is born again and then “unborn” again.

     

    The phrase “born again” implies you can be born, then unborn. Why can’t
    you then be unborn again? Theoretically, a person could become a “born again”
    Christian repeatedly. The “born again… again!” joke in *Ted Haggard is
    Completely Heterosexual* addresses a likely real-life example of such
    repetition.

    > Please read the following closely.
    Your very soul may depend on it.

     

    Give evidence of any of what you are about to
    say, or that the soul exists, or you’re intellectually bankrupt.

    > If we have sinned against Him… He will find us guilty of breaking His Law…
    if He finds you guilty of breaking His Law, He will punish your sin.

     

    So, everyone then? This guy didn’t even bother including a reference to
    how sins get forgiven.

    > We also sin against God when we fashion a Jesus in our mind to suit
    ourselves

     

    You mean like all the white Christians who pretend Jesus was white?

    > I don’t want that for the false converts

     

    Given that your definition of “false converts” includes people who give
    every empirical sign of being as you think they need to be, how will you ever
    know you have what you want of others?

    > God is also, loving, merciful, and kind.

     

    According to you, He sets some people on fire forever. That’s not love,
    mercy or kindness. It might be “love”, “mercy” or “kindness” under some wrong
    definitions of the terms you choose to use, just as you redefine “Christian” as
    “someone we never find out changed their mind about it ever”. But this is obvious
    nonsense.

    > as you were likely taught in your baptist church

     

    What about all the other Christianities?

     

    > He never once violated the Law of God in thought, word, or deed. He
    couldn’t because He was and is God in the flesh

     

    We can all make mistakes we ourselves recognise as contrary to the
    principles we hold dear, so your “X because Y” statement doesn’t make sense.

    > the punishment you and I rightly deserve

     

    *Why* do we deserve it? In fact, we *definitely* can’t deserve eternal
    punishment for whatever we do in our finite lives. Even Adolf Hitler only
    deserves, by the standards of human law (e.g. 25 years per murder), a billion
    or so years of fire-free imprisonment.

     

    > He forever defeated sin and death

     

    Do you ever even check the consistency of your own claims? Sin persists;
    death persists; therefore, he didn’t eradicate either of them. According to
    you, he never committed sin; therefore, your definition of “defeated” can’t be
    a personal purging either.

    > the one, true Jesus of the Bible

     

    Which Bible? Which Jesus in that Bible? (He’s not consistently portrayed
    across the books in any Bible, or amongst the 100,000 or so versions of the
    Bible – not counting translations from the original languages.)

    > let me encourage you to watch this important documentary

     

    You mean the one we allegedly all already watched because Dawkins
    foolishly gave it free advertisement? Guess what – it has to have evidence in
    it to be a documentary.

     

    Learn to use *any* words of the English language correctly before you
    resume this discussion.

     
     

  6.  I actually think Ray Comfort is a fraud, he demonstrated in many interviews and debates that he understood how bad his arguments are from evolution to bible and god, yet a month later he repeats the same thing on which he clearly showed comprehension earlier.

    I think this is his only livelihood and it’s quite efficient, he makes a lot with as little effort as he can.

  7. What a discomfortingly incorrigible fellow we have hear; and he’ll never ever really learn anything at all as long as he’s bogged down in the place he’s in at the moment. But I suspect he lacks the courage to free himself from it.

    Perhaps he’s being dismissive because he’s secretly envious of those capable of coming out and facing up to life.

    Pathetic!

  8. Well you see, Christopher Hitchens was never really British, he was an American when he was born. No true Brit would turn away from Queen and country.

    There, I understand his logic completely.

  9.  

    You may have walked like a Christian, talked like a Christian, prayed
    like a Christian, worshiped like a Christian, served like a Christian,
    and witnessed like a Christian, but you were likely never saved

    It’s good to see Ray can quote more recent sources than the bible! – With “King-like authority” – and swagger. – Even through the Xtian specs confuse the words!

    Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming,

    http://www.fpx.de/fp/Disney/Ly
    ..
    Now I’m the king of the swingers

    Oh, the jungle VIP

    I’ve reached the top and had to stop

    And that’s what botherin’ me

    I wanna be a man, mancub

    And stroll right into town

    And be just like the other men

    I’m tired of monkeyin’ around!
    ….

    Oh, oobee doo

    I wanna be like you

    I wanna walk like you

    Talk like you, too

    You’ll see it’s true

    An ape like me

    Can learn to be human too
    ..
    Now don’t try to kid me, mancub

    I made a deal with you

    What I desire is Hell’s red fire

    To make my dream come true

    Give me the secret, mancub
    .. ..

    Clue me what to do

    Give me the power of Hell’s red flower

    So I can be like you.

    I wanna be like you

    I wanna talk like you

    Walk like you, too

    You’ll see it’s true

    Someone like me

    Can learn to be

    Like someone like me

    Can learn to be

    Like someone like you

    Can learn to be

    Like someone like me!…If your brain gets addled enough to use this as a serious source of information!

  10. When you die (and we will all die someday), you will stand before God…

    How can one “stand” after one dies?  Will there be angels using forklifts to prop up millions of stiff, rotting corpses in front of The Almighty?  I cannot imagine what heaven must smell like.

    … and give an account for your life–every decision made, every action taken, every idea thought, every word spoken.

    Only one God listening to all those interminable life stories?  It sounds like at least half of eternity will be spent waiting in the line at the door.

  11. Comfort is anything but: I’ve not seen or read anything of his that could fuel credibility for the vulgar cult to which he claims that he belongs.   Just as I’m disappointed on christian’s behalf for the contribution that Rowan Williams makes in representing ‘their’ beliefs, Ray Comfort’s one who I’d find distasteful even if I shared his views: because his presentations are so shallow.

  12. Yes, the Clergy Project was win-win for everybody. That’s why it was so elegant and so clever.

    One wonders, though, why Dawkins and Barker had to come along and take care of God’s bidding. Was God too busy to weed out his own “chaff”?

  13. This whole thing just tends to confirm my suggestion that the basic Christian god concept is of a spoiled two-year-old who didn’t get the last cookie. Sort of an omnipotent Stewie. And do we really want to go to heaven? I’m just not sure I’m all that interested in spending eternity sucking up to the boss at an endless choir practice, and never again having sex (we’re looking at a Baptist heaven here). Never having personally experienced anything that wasn’t life, I can’t say I can really imagine oblivion, but I can accept it philosophically. Simply not existing somehow sounds better than an eternity of slavery, tuneful though it may be.

  14. I notice Ray or his stand-in did not mention the sin of wearing of clothing of mixed fabrics, nor of eating shellfish.   Have they been withdrawn from marketing ?  I must have missed that note.

  15. I left a comment, so we’ll see whether the mods let it through:

    This seems to be an argument over the word “Christian”.

    Tony Miano implies that someone cannot know they are a Christian until they die. If they die a believer, well, it turns out they were a Christian after all. That’s a possible definition, but not a very useful one, because it can only be applied after someone has died. Is Tony Miano a Christian? Well, we’ll have to wait and see, by his definition.

    The Skeptical Magician says a Christian is someone who believes Jesus was the Son of God who died for their sins. That sounds more useful: if you believe this, you are a Christian, and if you do not, you aren’t. There are plenty of people who didn’t believe this and then became Christians when they did, and there are plenty of people who used to believe this and now don’t. The fact that people change their minds about beliefs doesn’t mean that they don’t truly believe them at the time.

  16. Let the paranoia begin. Looks like the hunt will be on soon. Should be entertaining. I think if we had an organized name dropping program we could have them thinking everyone was turning atheist.

    “As a true christian, I believe my priest at “name of church here” has been taken by the devil. He talks about atheism and tells me I shouldn’t hate them”

    Just drop a few of those around the christertube and you’ll have lynch mobs on the streets.  

  17. Ray Comforts ‘cycle’ of posting:

    Ray posts some argument, view or statement (usually involving largely irrelevant bibble quotes).

    These are proven to be wrong by multiple people from multiple places citing multiple sources.

    Ray conveniently ignores these proofs, and posts exactly the same arguments 4-6 weeks later.

    The guy obviously has serious memory loss issues (to go with all his other issues…)

  18. “If I recall, his professorship was bought for him by a friend, possibly to lend credibility to his efforts.”
    This shocking revelation is from the comments page of the original article.  If this is indeed true, I wish to make a public offer to buy this title at precisely £57 above the original purchase price.

  19. I really have to agree with Mr Comfort.

    No biblical theist wants atheists, (or anyone else pretending to be clergy,) hiding in The Church.

    Here’s another relevant scripture Ray.  John 3:19-20

    Thank you for shining the spotlight Mr Barker, Mr Dennet, Mr Dawkins…
     

  20. I enjoyed how he was trying to use the bible quote to say that these people were just never true believers (Scotsmen) in the first place just as the clever John had know, just as he knew the end times were coming too? It must be tough when your literary resource makes itself look stupid in every tiny quote.

  21. I think that guy got a point : most selfcalled christians are not christians anymore if they start thinking about it. Reminds me of what R.Dawkins says about transsubstantiation. In a debate, you soon have to admit that nobody can believe it and you never really have, or leave the debate. So let’s challenge religious claims. If people who think  they are christians realise they never really were, that’s great. It’s not even a deconvertion, so to speak. Best way to show them that they lost absolutly nothing.

  22. When you die (and we will all die someday), you will stand before God and give an account for your life–every decision made, every action taken, every idea thought, every word spoken.

    Sorry Ray, this just doesn’t work.  Do the math, man.  The CIA estimates that nearly 160,000 people die every day.  Even if God is working a 24-hour shift — seven days per week, he can spend only 0.54 seconds evaluating each person.  Otherwise one HELL of a backlog will develop.  And since we know The Big Boss never works on Sundays, this already cuts the interview time down to 0.46 seconds per person.

    How about the time required to tweak evolution?  Let’s say God tweaks DNA about 12 hours per week.  Twiddling the spin-states of quantum particles?  Another 12 hours per week, minimum.  Listening to prayers from His faithful?  Okay, not much time spent there, but you catch my drift.  The bottom line is, The Almighty can only spend about 0.38 seconds on each heavenly interrogation.

    C’mon, Ray.  This doesn’t leave much time to tell detailed life stories, even for auctioneers.  And this kind of rush-rush-rush all the time is bound to result in some true believers going to Hell unjustly.

  23. I’ve never been religious, and have long been baffled by how people of faith like Ray Comfort are so fully submerged in their delusions, and can blatantly re-arrange reality to suit their suite of preconceptions, but having recently read ‘The God Virus’ I now have a better and deeper understanding of how it happens.  I pity them, since their blindness, ignorance and arrogance are mostly not their own choices.

    I’m very grateful that I was not infected as an innocent child, and am now inoculated against all versions of their disease, since their god(s) are too small, and too (hu)man-centered, to deal with the reality of this universe as so many free-thinking explorers gradually unfold its many awesome wonders.  As Professor Dawkins once said “They are missing sooo much”.

    Right, back to re-reading Carl Sagan’s ‘The Varieties of Scientific Experience’, since I’ve learned some new things since my earlier readings, and my old brain needs regular booster-shots full of star stuff.

  24. This ignoble attempt by such a sycophantic author should be labeled Cultus for Dummies. Clearly, the ascendency of this pre-scientific group must somehow be jeopardized by the  critical thinkers of the Clergy Project given the hawkish content and heretical tone of their post.  
    Great pic of RD though!
    William

  25. ‘On The Dunny’ with Ray Comfort.

    Cack in – Cack out.

    Anvil.

    Edit: It is now twenty fours hours or so since I posted the above comment. This is a test to see if I can edit it after all this time. Not a great facility on a site that conducts actual debates instead of just accepting comments?

    Anvil.

  26. At the end of the dizzyingly blind comment section on the site here the rules for the “comments” :
    Thank you for sharing your comments. All comments are moderated for content. Comments that fail to acknowledge God or Jesus with “caps” will not be posted. In addition any posts containing foul language or blasphemy of any form will not be posted. You do not have to agree with the authors of this blog to post comments here, but we reserve the right to not post comments by people who just can’t play nicely with others

    “HA” “!”

  27. They mustn’t have much of an argument if they won’t allow any counter argument on the comment section of the site. “it is best to live in an America that is 100% self absorbed,doing it’s utmost to not use logic or think in a rational way (Bollox 09:11-50)”

  28. Another one in defence of Skeptical Magician. The mods there do actually seem to let stuff through, so I’m hopeful:

    > You keep saying “I did this” and “I did that” over and over and over again. It’s quite clear here where your focus was – it was “I” instead of Jesus.

    If Skeptical Magician had merely said that he was a believer, the first responses from Christians would have been that he was just saying he was a believer, which is easy to do. By giving examples of doing things he would do only if he were truly a believer, he rules that avenue out.  So you instead respond that telling you he did these things is evidence against being a believer. You are making a “heads I win/tails you lose” argument. Is there in fact any way that the Magician could convince you he was a believer? If not, your mind is already closed, so why bother having the argument?

    > All of this proof you are trying to do, presupposes that the bible is true.

    In fact, what he’s doing is making an argument in terms you might be expected to agree with (by arguing from the Bible). He need not accept the Bible is true to make an argument from it, the point is that the people he’s arguing with do. If you were in an argument with a Muslim who supposedly accepted the Koran but was apparently saying stuff which disagreed with it, and you said “but the Koran says X”, would you be a closet Muslim? I don’t think so.

    > in making yourself the final authority, you weren’t making Christ the final authority, which would seem to preclude the concept of being a Christian

    This is also an odd argument. You seem to think there was some fault in the Magician because he made a decision (well, two decisions). But this is just what anyone would do when faced with a truth claim: evaluate it and decide whether it’s true. Perhaps you think that True Christians are forced to convert by God, but in that case, it seems that there can be no moral fault in not converting, since non-converts just haven’t been forced, for some reason. Again, it’s a “heads I win/tails you lose” argument. What should the Magician have done differently to be a True Christian?

  29. Looking at the comments on the link, I think this one sums up the irrational circular arguments being posted there:-

    As
    Christians, God is the ultimate authority of our reasoning, and now you
    profess that he is not.

    Reasoning is a logical process but is claimed to be an “authority” derived from “God” -whatever that is supposed to mean!

    The problem is that it is impossible for one to
    reason FROM the position that God is the ultimate authority of your
    reasoning TO the position that He is not.

    Really!  Why would anyone with any competence in reasoning, start with a conclusion and then try to construct a circular argument incorporating these mental contortions?

    If you reason OUT of
    Christianity, this demonstrates that you were always your own ultimate
    authority and never a Christian just as 1 John 2:19 states.

    This the pathetic suggestion that this “(pseudo) reasoning” is an integral and exclusive part of Christianity!  I suppose these perverted thinking processes are part of this particular form of it!  (Servile sheeples are servile sheeples.)

    These weird claims seem to be suggesting that the independent reasoning which does not reach the conclusions of the TROOOooo (insert sect/cult) Xtians PROVES the thinker was never a TROOOoo Xtian!  ( That is, they are still capable of independent reasoned thinking which does not automatically arrive presupposed assumed Xtian conclusions: – therefore they can’t have troooly been subjected to the brain disability of conversion to”Xtian” fumble-thinking in the first place.   ie. recovery of rationality is impossible!  -  Quick – more assertions before they spot this a troooo vacuous assertion).

  30. This is typical.

    Intellectually bankrupt sychophant rants on with both condemnation and praise toward two clear thinking men of reason and science–whilst ending his tirade with the threat of hell for not believing such as he does.

    Pity is all I can show to such a desperate and pathetic attention seeker    

  31. Ray Comfort is a complete fool who spends his time endorsing the fact that he is the same.
    After his banana nonsense one would have thought that he would have disappeared from public view.
    But oh no! He’s such a thick skinned confidence trickster(along with all the other halfwits) that he feels no shame; telling people that his personal space monster is the root of his proselytising duty.
    There’s a good living to be made by a satirist writing a script for his unofficial autobiography.

  32. On the other hand Comfort is to Christianity what Anjem Choudary is to Islam.
    Pat Condell makes the point that when a total berk assumes a leadership role ; it encourages any opposition to have a good laugh!

  33. Yeah, RD and DB did us all a favor and gave us CONCRETE evidence the end times are near…

    Yeah… That’s a favor to the christians… cuz’ they are the good ones…deserving heaven…

    If only we could make an irony detector for them to use…

  34. He actually cites 1 John Ch. 2 Vs. 18-19 which states clearly that the early Christians believed that they were living in the end times. It is one of several passages that say this. This is an example of the kind of things that lead thoughful Christians to doubt and in many cases renounce their faith. Over to you Ray, if the last hour was in the late first/early second century, how come we are all still here in the twenty-first?

  35. Yeah, RD and DB did us all a favor and gave us CONCRETE evidence the end times are near…

    Yeah… That’s a favor to the christians… cuz’ they are the good ones…deserving heaven…

    Don’t worry about it!  Ray will sell the sheeples some CONCRETE life-jackets to help them float up to heaven, what with the urgency of end-times and all!

  36. Religion persists by persuading people not to examine or question.  The way rationality triumphs is by getting people to think about the assumptions underlying religion.  All debate thus ultimately helps the Dawkins camp. 

    It is a bit like ice melting. Abandoning superstition happens slowly, as a result of periods of reflection.  It is the exact opposite of “being saved” in a dramatic ceremony.

    When someone argues a position, they discover the weaknesses in their own position.  On the other hand they also talk themselves into holding the position ever more tightly.

    When Christians argue with me, they nearly always resort to classical  logical fallacies.
    http://mindprod.com/jgloss/log…, particularly the straw man argument.
    http://mindprod.com/jgloss/str

    Surely, if they had better arguments, they would use them. This gives me confidence there are no decent arguments to support their position.  Surely by now someone would have thought of them.

  37. Back in the 1970s, Patty Hearst was kidnapped. The police chief ended up killing all kinds of people capturing her kidnappers. I disapproved of what he did, but I knew he was immensely proud of himself.  So I wrote a letter, form the point of view of a right wing Republican, condemning him for inefficiency, wasting money and sloppy police work.

    This pierced him to the heart.  He wrote back a hand-written 5-page letter defending himself.
      
    I wrote a similar note to Mr. Comfort, condemning him for arguing ineptly for the existence of god.

  38. When Christians argue with me, they nearly always resort to classical  logical fallacies.http://mindprod.com/jgloss/log…, particularly the straw man argument.http://mindprod.com/jgloss/str

    Surely, if they had better arguments, they would use them. This gives
    me confidence there are no decent arguments to support their position.
     Surely by now someone would have thought of them.

    Hi Roedy!

    From what I saw on Ray’s comment section, most of them would not recognise a better (rational/evidenced) argument, even when it is under their noses and explained to them in detail!  All their arguments start with the know-it-all precondition of “god-did-it” and then go into mental contortions, circularity, fallacies, and strawman distractions, along with their personal redefinition of words, like “reason”, “evidence”, “truth”, incorporating “god’s circular flexi-meanings”.

    This is just obfuscating verbiage, as there really is no evidenced rational way to square their triangular circles!

  39. I live in a small close knit suburban neighbourhood where god botherers are not welcome. On the odd occasion where they do venture into our street the first person to see them will go out into the street and shout ” Warning, warning –  danger, danger  Mr Robertson “. For all you younger readers I am referring to an old TV show called  ‘Lost in Space’ and the person shouting the warning was Robbie the robot.  Robbie was an entertaining character for an imaginary AI but I am sure he had more nounce in his bolts than this poor silly dumb prick Ray Comfort.

  40. Being only a little picky, Robbie was the robot in Forbidden Planet, though he did make a guest appearance on Lost in Space. As I recall, the LiS robot was just called Robot. And the family’s name was Robinson. (Not so subtle Dafoe reference, doncha know.)

  41. According to comfort, all people who claim they no longer believe in god were “never believers to begin with”.  So, by his logic, that would mean all people who become “born again” by stating their belief in god, must never have been non-believers in the first place.  This being the case, it would appear that you just are what you are and the pomp and circumstance of baptism, ceremonial worship, etc., is pointless. 

  42.  Hey man! 

    So, by his logic, that would mean all people who become “born again” by
    stating their belief in god, must never have been non-believers in the
    first place.

      You can’t go around accusing people like Ray Comfort of rational consistency!

  43. “God may still allow you to repent and believe.” 
    Wow I need his permission?

    “–when we create a Jesus in our imagination with whom we are comfortable. This is called idolatry.”
    I don’t think I’ve met a Christian who doesn’t do this actually.

    Yes let us continue to “purify” their ranks. It seems like a win win doesn’t it?

  44. There have been SO MANY articles about how Professor Dawkins is doing a particular religious group a favor. So far, all of them have been poorly researched, obnoxiously written, and taken absolutely bloody everything out of context. People like Ray are the kind of swaggering popularists that think they’re intelligent-the worst kind.

  45.  

    People like Ray are the kind of swaggering popularists that think they’re intelligent-the worst kind.

    The psychology of their airs of ignorant know-it-all superiority is well known.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D
    The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes.

    David Dunning and Justin Kruger have quoted Charles Darwin (“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge”)
    Kruger and Dunning proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will:

    1. tend to overestimate their own level of skill;2. fail to recognize genuine skill in others;3. fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;4. recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they can be trained to substantially improve.

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