Archbishop of Glasgow: Labour MP David Cairns died because he was gay

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To suggest that Cairns died of anything other than pancreatitis is as bizarre as it is insulting.


Archbishop of Glasgow-elect Philip Tartaglia.

Catholic bishop Philip Tartaglia hasn’t even taken up his new post as Archbishop of Glasgow yet, but he’s already facing calls for his resignation. It’s emerged that in a recent speech (11 April) at a religious conference at Oxford University he accused society of being “very quiet” about “the relationship between the physical and mental health of gay men”. He went on to suggest that the premature death of Labour MP David Cairns last year was partly due to his homosexuality.

Tartaglia said (fast forward to 1:03:29 for the comments):

If what I have heard is true about the relationship between the physical and mental health of gay men, if it is true, then society is being very quiet about it.

Recently in Scotland, there was a gay Catholic MP who died at the age of 44 or so, and nobody said anything, and why should his body just shut down at that age?

Obviously he could have had a disease that would have killed anybody.

But you seem to hear so many stories about anger at ‘hurtful and ignorant’ comments, this kind of thing, but society won’t address it.

Written By: George Eaton
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33 COMMENTS

  1. If there is any connection between the physical and mental health of gays or bisexuals it is due to hate crimes and bigotry and sexual repression. Funny because Bonobos are very, very happy, I hear.  Sexually uninhibited, gentle souls. lol

  2. A while ago there was a teacher from Galilee who died at the age of 33 or so. No-one really said anything and why should anyone just get crucified at that age?

    If what Grand Moff Tartaglia believes about the relationship between the physical and mental health of gay people is true, I can only conclude Jesus was a homosexual.

  3. “Recently in Scotland, there was a gay Catholic MP who died at the age of 44 or so, and nobody said anything, and why should his body just shut down at that age?” – bishop Philip Tartaglia 

    David Cairns, died aged 44 from acute pancreatitis, according to his obituary: http://www.guardian.co.uk/poli….

    Last time I checked, acute pancreatitis also kills heterosexuals.

    Just another homophobic Jesus-freak, nothing to see here.

  4. Yes, the RC church and its obsession with sex and gender again. They should learn to STFU. Today the Scottish Government announced that it WOULD go ahead with same sex marriage, first part of the UK to do so, Of course the faith heads, and prominent among these were the RC leaders, were all up in arms about it.

    In fact there was what one commentator referred to as a “trinity of evil”  - Evangelicals, Roman Catholics and Muslims – all opposed to it.

    To get a flavour of the opinions of some of those evangelical types who are opposed to SSM, try this. Its shocking. But very representative AFAICS of mainstream evangie opinion:

    http://christianstogether.net/… 

    What is interesting is how the fundagelicals start praising the RCs for their stance on such “moral issues” The same fundagelicals whose Westminster Confession describes the Pope as the “antichrist, man of sin ” and so on. Also, for what it is worth, check out FIECs position on RC-ism. (FIEC is an umbrella body for all sorts of fundies, charismaniacs and YEC type churches) 

    They had essentially a sectarian statement on their website, which has now recently been amended and doesnt appear to be there anymore. However, the “Wayback Machine” reveals it:

    http://web.archive.org/web/200… 

    Note: “If an evangelical church or leader unites with those of a liberal persuasion who deny essential gospel truths, or with those of a Roman Catholic persuasion who add to the gospel, then great confusion is created.  The impression is given either that the evangelical, liberal and Roman Catholic are all agreed when in fact they are worlds apart doctrinally, or that their different messages are equally valid when in fact there is only one gospel.  Not only is this confusing but it is also a contradiction of the gospel on which our FIEC churches unite”

    So the papists are OK when they hate homos, they are good buddies then, Different story when it comes to “the gospel truths”

    The sooner all these worthless institutions die out the better

    SG

  5. Catholics will be bigots, but what concerns me is that Magdalen College should be giving these bigoted people a platform in the first place. Last year there were protests and demonstrations when Exeter College was set to play host to a similar bunch of anti-gay fanatics, leading to the college severing all ties, cancelling the booking and apologising. Where was that here?

    I know I tend to vilify Magdalen as a bunch of stuck-up, right-wing Tories-in-waiting (as a Wadhamite it’s hard not to), but I would have expected better even from them. This is Oscar Wilde’s old college after all, even if it was founded in the fifteenth century.

    Or is it that explicitly religious homophobes calling themselves the roman catholic church are somehow fine, but only covertly religious homophobes calling themselves the ex-gay movement are not?

    You made a big mistake, Magdalen. It’s time to apologise.

  6. @OP -  If what I have heard is true about the relationship between the physical
    and mental health of gay men
    , if it is true, then society is being very
    quiet about it.

    If what I have heard is true about the relationship between the physical
    and mental health of Roman Catholic priests and bishops
    , if it is true, then the RCC has been very
    quiet about it – for years.

    Theist mirror psychological projection???????  – seems to explain these rantings!

    .
    Psychological projection or projection bias
    is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies
    his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then
    ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection
    involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.

    Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted unconscious impulses or desires without letting the conscious mind recognize them.

    An example of this behavior might be blaming another
    for self failure. The mind may avoid the discomfort of consciously
    admitting personal faults by keeping those feelings unconscious, and by
    redirecting libidinal satisfaction by attaching, or “projecting,” those
    same faults onto another person or object. – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P… 

  7. “If what I have heard is true about the relationship between the physical
    and mental health of gay men, if it is true, then society is being very
    quiet about it.”

    If what I have heard is true…

    There’s the rub.

  8. Back in the 1970s I had a conversation with my insurance agent. I was asking why the insurance company was asking so many nosy questions, particularly ones designed to figure out if you were gay.  He said that the actuarial tables showed that gay people did not live as long.  This was before HIV. This is plausible. At that time it was very difficult for couples, so most gays were single with all the extra risks that straight singles suffer from.

    But knowing someone is gay does not tell you that much.  They can range from someone like me who has been celibate for the last decade, to someone who has sex with several people a day.

    Philip Tartaglia is showing his “faith”, claiming to know things he has no knowledge of.

  9. someone should point out to the archbishop that being gay can’t kill you but being gay can get you killed, especially if the catholic church, and other life-denying religions, could have their way…

  10. I’ll repeat what a certain minister wrote recently (someone who used to frequent this site – you know who I mean)
    Scotland has secularized faster than any nation in history”

    Actually, I am in total agreement with him here. But, the fundies dont like it. They see their mind-manipulating, ego-stroking empires and fiefdoms diminishing, their influence shrinking, so they are going to lash out.

    And that is what the RC church is doing here. A bit like that business with the recent Popes visit – On his arrival,  before the engines had stopped, His Popiness was talking all sorts of pish about atheism and its “evils”

    I honestly believe that a critical mass (bad pun!) has been reached. We can see this in the cross-party support for same sex marriage – SNP, Labour, Tories, Liberals, Greens, all in favour.

    So the fundies can just FOAD. Welcome to a fairer, more tolerant, modern  21st century.

    :-)SG

  11. I can’t see the video, for UK only. But vast array of medical evidence?? That’s funny, because I was trained at Johns Hopkins and the Mayo Clinic, and that “issue” somehow never came up.

  12. Yet another high profile catholic who chooses to infliction his religious bigotry and homophobia on people this time telling us that the Labour M.P. who died of Pancreatitis could have died because of his homosexuality.  All you have to do you cretinous heap of shit is to check the cause of death and not cast aspertions in the hope you can play to your catholic bigoted gallery.  You then have the bare-faced cheek to say that you did not mean to cause offence when we both know that was exactly what was intended, simply because that is what catholics do best.

  13. Wow. Just wow. The stupidity is breathtaking. Still, you have to give Tartaglia a bit of credit for the extreme efficiency with which he pulled off a religionist triple play:

    (1) Passing off a baseless rumor as evidence. (“If what I have heard is true…” For fuck’s sake, don’t hold us in suspense! Please tell us what fever-dream nonsense has passed through your ears into your brain!)

    (2) Turning an occurrence that has a clear medical explanation into a mystery that is incomprehensible, then claiming “God did it!”

    (3) Proposing a conspiracy theory that secularists cover up supposed facts because they support a religious worldview. Has Tartaglia considered the hypothesis — which has conveniently been left unexamined by the media — that a witch cast a spell on Cairns? Or perhaps someone pricked a Cairns voodoo doll? Why will the secular, evidence-based media not investigate these claims, which are clearly as plausible as Tartaglia’s?

  14. @ DJGutekunst
    Re: Points 1 & 2 – We’ve seen it before!  It’s called “theist REASONING” – (but only called that by theists – and it is not to be confused with LOGICAL reasoning!)
    All that scientific “investigating and checking facts ” is tedious, – compared with “revealed” notions – which are just the first things that pop into his head! 

    Besides, did you not know that FAITH delivers REASON from errors, and that scientific evidence is, “error with the appearance of truth”, if it contradicts Catholic doctrine! (according to the infallible Pope Pius IX at Vatican 1)http://richarddawkins.net/comm

  15. Peter Kearney should keep his mouth shut. His own wife died of cancer at 41 – he of all people should know that these nasty things like cancer and other diseases happen, 

    And his actor brother, Tony, plays the part of a gay barman in “River City”. And Tony is completely ambiguous about his own sexualityTo quote: “The actor added: “To me it really is an irrelevance whether someone is actually gay or not and I won’t answer that question about myself. 
    “I’m a single man living in Glasgow and I’m also an actor playing a gay character.” Make of that what you will(Its from: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/

  16. Religion “legitimizes” ignorance.

    My bet is that A of G has a taste for sausage.
    I said this about someone else on another topic… I was slammed…but I found videos as proof. We will never know in this case, but just saying……..

  17. Mild compared to his predecessor’s ‘Monition of Cursing’ of my ancestors (Border Reivers). I don’t think the Archbishop of Glasgow left a square inch of them uncursed (you can google for the text, which is in mediaeval Scots). It still doesn’t justify the current bishop’s attitudes.

    1. People are people.

    2. Some people are attracted to people of the same sex, and some aren’t. We see this elsewhere in the animal kingdom, so it by definition cannot be unnatural. In fact, we see necrophilia elsewhere in the animal kingdom, but it must be said that I might hesitate before supporting that, despite the Alice Cooper song, ‘I love the dead.’

    3. If people want to put their relationships on a formally binding basis, that’s fine by me, whether it’s a legally-binding civil ceremony, or a ‘bells and smells’ church job.

  18. I like Catholics but their religion stinks.  (in response to love the sinner hate the sin)  Besides I think the Lady or archbishop protests too much.   sorry Shakespear.  The problem with these archbishops and mafia bankers is they give closeted gay people a bad reputation.

    This guy also looks silly in a dress, just to bring the discussion down to his level.  At least his boss, Joe Ratzinger can pull off wearing the full length evening skirts.

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