Westboro Baptist Church: “Praise God for The Clergy Project”

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The Clergy Project – a private, invitation only, online peer support community for active and former clergy who no longer hold supernatural beliefs – has drawn the attention of the Westboro Baptist Church. A Westboro Baptist Church “Godsmacks’ blog post titled “Preachers=Atheists And?” announces, “Praise God for The Clergy Project.” Lizz Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church comments for this article.


Phelps explains that The Clergy Project is “yet another harbinger of what this nation has become” and is “emblematic of a comprehensive curse over this land leading to ultimate destruction.” Phelps says that members of The Clergy Project are “flipping off God denying he exists” while “pulling down their dirty britches” and mooning the churches they have been improperly given authority over.

Lizz Phelps has messages for specific members and supporters of The Clergy Project including Dan Barker and Richard Dawkins.

Commenting on Dan Barker, co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation and co-founder of The Clergy Project, Phelps says, “He thinks he’s so clever. He pulls upon his personal failure to obey God and offers the slippery, deceitful suggestion to others that they also defy the living God. That will be the start and end of him. He is going to be responsible for his own rebellion and teaching others.”

Phelps also has words for Richard Dawkins – founder of the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science and supporter of The Clergy Project. Phelps explains, “There is nothing special, unique, or creative about Richard Dawkins. He’s old and stale. He needs to stop his brand of perversion, fear God, and obey God.”

The consequences for members of The Clergy Project, Phelps explains, can be found in Revelation 21:8 which notes, “But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, the who practice magic arts, the idolaters, and all liars – they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Lizz Phelps says, to members of The Clergy Project, “How awful of a circumstance you have placed yourself in: a wretched curse, a great sorrow. A great and terrible day of judgment is around the corner. Fear and obey God.”

Written By: Justin Vacula
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53 COMMENTS

  1. Ah WBC, they were so amusing and entertaining for a while but now they are just pathetically predictable and boring in their desperation to garner any attention.
    But I guess such neat packaging of obtuseness, ignorance, simpletonism and commitment to la la land serves some purpose as a cautionary tale.

    The only thing that annoys me when they are mentioned are the inevitable comments by other Christians who say they are not true Christians, a joke and embarrassment to Christianity when in fact they are the most serious, internally coherent and consistent Christians of them all.

    P.S.
    And how could we mention WBC without posting this song-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v

    it just warms one’s heart, and how can one not feel joy at “USA=fag nation” slogan?

  2. How can I find the guy who generates so much publicity for a little church of 200 members.  The Westbro Baptists are geniuses who get millions of dollars free from the media while hundreds of thousands of people are doing positive and couragious things are ignored totally. 

  3. “A great and terrible day of judgment is around the corner.”  Ya its called global warming asshole, and its real, and no its not Gods judgment against us.  Its called the tragidy of the commons, its just what happens when a bunch of greedy assholes consume all of the resources.

  4. Thanks for that Metamag, it really was a laugh. The same kind of logic that thinks non-christians worship satan? A good example of no understanding what-so-ever. 

    The definition of a non-stamp collector probably escapes them too, it’s just so complicated – there are people that don’t collect stamps? They are clearly evil Fed-Ex-ers and will die in sorting unless they take stamps into their hearts they will never get any mail delivered!

  5. As I recently pointed out to our communicationally challenged friend Premiseless you’ll have to be living under a rock to think we are any different from “the beasts.” It is unfortunately “natural” and certainly not “greedy assholes”, it’s every living thing in the widest sense possible. There is no evolutionary “wait a minute I might be fucking everything up” gene and the whoa meme seems hard to propagate.

    The fact that we have the power to completely fuck everything up is the real problem not that a limited group is.

  6. Oh dear, oh dear. If transubstantiation (the transformation of bread and wine in to flesh and blood, asserted in taking communion) isn’t a magic art, what on earth is? I see,  but of course! …… it’s only xtian magic arts that will save us from hell. ha bloody ha.  Westboro ( I say ‘Westbro’ and doesn’t that sound like a good name for a boyband – a gay one hopefully) get media attention only because they are so easy to laugh at. Sideshow clowns at best, and certainly not an effective lobby for anything but promoting their own stupidity. 

  7. These WBC misanthropes are among the most mentally twisted and sick fucktards it is possible to meet. 

    It is not at all difficult to imagine a crowd of scum like this chanting and singing at a lynching or an auto de fe or operating gas chambers in order to do god’s work.

  8. It would be easy to write off WBC as nutters and extremists, but and its a big BUT, they are only following the teachings of the bible, literally. For instance, regarding clergy “falling away” we read in 1st Timothy 4:

    “The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.”

    Proof, perfect proof of the fulfilment of biblical prophecy! Things like the Clergy Project will actually bolster them and convince them they are right all along

    The same thing goes for their teachings on homosexuality – its all there in the Bible – they are just taking it at face value. They are actually being brutally honest.

    No, its not WBC that have the problem. Its the mainstream churches who know full well that the Bible is full of all sorts of horrible stuff and who then go through all sorts of limbo dancing gymnastics to try to make it palatable and explain it away.

    WBC just lap it up!!!

    :-) 
    SG

  9. Phelps explains, “There is nothing special, unique, or creative about Richard Dawkins. He’s old and stale. He needs to stop his brand of perversion, fear God, and obey God.”

    Two hopes of that: Bob and none.

  10. Ever heard “normal” christians debate WBC ? They both quote the bible. It’s funny as hell. All the WBC do is preach and offend a few. We’ve seen (and still see) worse. If anything, WBC shows us how crazy the bible (and blind faith) really is.

  11. “I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: ‘O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.’ And God granted it.”
    ~ Voltaire 1694-11-21 1778-05-30 [François Marie d’Arouet Voltaire]

  12. ‘It would be easy to write off WBC as nutters and extremists, but and
    its a big BUT, they are only following the teachings of the bible,
    literally. For instance, regarding clergy “falling away” we read in 1st
    Timothy 4:

    “The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the
    faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.”

    Proof, perfect proof of the fulfilment of biblical prophecy! ‘

    Proof? Not really. If I were founding a cult by means of providing a dodgy doctrinal scripture, I too would include a self-fulfilling ‘prophecy’ to point at when future adherents start to wise up.

  13. Honestly, the WBC aren’t worth reporting on any more. They run the same old fundie shtick, and are good at the most for a laugh. The best way to make them go away is to not report on them at all.

  14. It would be better if the media referred to them as what they are, not a church, just the Crazy Phelps Family and relatives and friends. But yes, that kind of responsible journalism would dull the freak show value, which unfortunately means they’re allowed take up space to the detriment of civilised society’s progress. R.I.P. Gore Vidal (someone worth listening to)

  15. The WBC lot are, um, God’s gift to atheism, and when the walking corpse that is Pastor Fred finally does go to meet his maker, I hope that the lovely Shirley becomes even more vociferous and vocal in her and her church’s métier.

    Every hate-filled utterance from these monsters, every song parody made by them, such as the one in the link provided by Metamag (a song which by the way was still easier to listen to than Paul McCartney’s turn at the Olympics) is manna to the atheist movement, to gay rights and marriage equality, and in this instance to the Clergy Project.

    The Phelpses and their extended family are the best advertisement for non-belief that there could possibly be, and a constant thorn in the side of every other Christian in America. Thank you Westboro Baptist Church for your services to atheism.

  16. Its one of the main “arguments” that apologists make for the “veracity” of the bible. Fulfilled prophecies. Esp prophecies from the Old Testament fulfilled in the New. Trouble is, so many of them are just vague, some are simply wrong and others that get referred to in the NT, dont actually exist in the OT!!

    So much of it is so vague and woolly you can bend it and twist it anyway you like. 

    A cult indeed!

    :-)SG

  17. WBC may represent an extreme end-point in terms of what they believe, but you do not have to go too far leftwards along the line of “belief” to come across other churches that are not so different in a lot of ways. Here is a bit of an article that appeared in  a church magazine in my own country 13 years ago:-

    Heaven provoking legislation:CERTAIN sins, such as murder, make our nation especially guilty before God.The sin which brought the wrath of God upon the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah is another sin of this kind. In Britain, the flagrant promoting of the heinous sin of sodomy puts our land in a particularly grave and solemn situation before God. Our Church has protested to successive governments about legislation which decriminalises this vile sin, but these protests have gone unheeded, in common with the protests of many individuals.However, it remains our duty to voice our condemnation of this great evil, and especially at this time, when the Government’s declared intention is to lower the age of homosexual consent to 16. It is most unpleasant to have to speak and write about this sin. On the other hand, it is a serious dereliction of duty to keep silent about this steadily growing cancer in society

    and

    :But God is not deceived. He looks down from His throne and closely observes when nations, as well as individuals, repudiate His authority and spurn His law. The judgement upon Sodom and Gomorrah was preceded by God taking special note of their sin. “And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know” (Gen. 18:20, 21). Pretty strong stuff. Lots more where that came from:http://www.fpchurch.org.uk/mag… :-)

    SG

  18. Universeman

      “A great and terrible day of judgment is around the corner.”  Ya its
    called global warming asshole, and its real, and no its not Gods
    judgment against us.  Its called the tragedy of the commons, its just
    what happens when a bunch of greedy assholes consume all of the
    resources.

    As I was commenting on the Koch-Bros thread, – The key question is, “Does the human race collectively have more intelligence in environmental planning, than a yeast culture in a barrel of fruit juice?” – The yeast exploits & consumes ALL the resources until there is nothing left to exploit, and then dies – pickled in its own waste!

    On this thread however, there are rantings from a group, which actually shows LESS vision, but makes more noise than the yeast, in spouting their STUPID HOGWASH, and festering in their own waste.

    WBC – The consequences for members of The Clergy Project, Phelps explains, can be found in Revelation 21:8 which notes, “But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, the who practice magic arts, the idolaters, and all liars – they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

    I”ll get the sulphur in the lab warmed up for the Westboro lot, as they seem to qualify on at least 3 counts!

  19. Ah, but they’re not “true” Christians, so sayeth the other 40,000 Christian sects.

    Only religion can shine such a glaring and illuminating spotlight on the irrationality of the human psyche.

  20. Ah, the good ol’ WBC. 

    I studied them a little bit about a year and a half ago when they had the case that went to the SCOTUS.  Phelps v. Snider, I think it was.  They represented themselves (there is a law firm associated with the church with the Phelps family as partners), I think it was Margie Phelps who argued the case.  She outperformed her counter part as far as I could tell. 

    One thing that made an impression on me is that they have a complete lack of profit motive.  They dont take donations or even sell those T-shirts they make up.  This seperates them from the frauds and TV evangelists and marks them as ‘true believers’. 

    They are non-violent (aside from ‘disciplining’ their own children).  Indeed, they are prone to giving folks a bottle of water – I think the bible says something about adversaries burning in hell if you give them water.  Anyway, it’s probably much more likely that an act of violence would be committed against them then the other way around. 

    Finally, they make entertaining videos spoofing pop songs.  My favorite was a creepy take on Lady Gaga’s ‘Telephone’.  It featured Fred Phelps’ teenage granddaughters dancing and smiling while singing about how Gaga would burn in hell for being a proud whore.  You could almost smell the sexual repression.  Regardless, it was a clever and creative way to spend some quality family time – writing lyrics and making the music and filming each other.  The content, of course, left something to be desired but I’m serious when I say that the activity itself probably had some value. 

    ===

    I don’t bring any of this up to defend them in anyway.  I bring this up to try and highlight the power of indoctrination.  These aren’t simple, uneducated hillbillies.  Yet they feel compelled by the fear of god’s wrath to spend their time and money traveling the country, putting themselves and their children in harms way and making themselves pariahs to spread their insane, unevidenced message. 

  21. Must I be the first to say it?

    It isn’t the clergy who have fallen away from the church and god that we need worry about “pulling down their dirty britches.” Those who remain in the church seem quite willing to do that already, as well as pulling down the britches of the boys they seem to have no fear molesting and as a consequence suffering eternal hellfire.  Either they don’t believe in any of that hell nonsense, or those boys must be so irresistibly tempting and tasty that eternal damnation is worth every second spent raping in the rectory.

    (Sorry to be so graphic; it is part of the disgust and outrage over the whole incident. Other activities like stealing are illegal, and make the victim upset, but a stolen necklace somehow does not turn the stomach like the thought of a raped child.  If anyone wishes to continue discussing the issue in more detached and rated-G terms – IF even possible – and still manage to make others who learn of this feel outrage and as a society we all move toward rectifying the situation, then by all means do so and accept my apology.)

  22.  I saw both of Louis Theroux’s documentaries about these nutcases and you couldn’t ask for better proof of Hitch’s proposition that religion poisons everything. It struck me that Fred Phelps’ insane obsession with homosexuality might well stem from him actually being one, or a repressed one, himself. What was sad was seeing the little kids parroting the chant “fags are evil” when it was clear they didn’t really understand what fags even were or why they should be evil.

    When Fred is worm food which given his age might not be far away I suspect that things will start falling apart. It seems to be mainly his vitriol and the fear in which he’s held that motivates the rest.

  23.  Agreed.  Those that practice the Christian faith most sincerely are publicly alienated by the hip Christians.   It’s through others that we see our most ridiculous antics fully exposed.   It’s self-denial.

  24. This church actually spends around $200,000 USD annually in travel expenses to hold their protests around the country and even around the world. This is very surprising from a church which hovers at right around 100 members… most of whom are family members.

  25. Phelps explains, “There is nothing special, unique, or creative about
    Richard Dawkins. He’s old and stale. He needs to stop his brand of
    perversion, fear God, and obey God.”

    Project much? Here, let me try to improve the accuracy of your statement Miss Phelps:

    “There is nothing special, unique, or creative about
    [any Phelps]. [We're] old and stale. [We] need to stop [this] brand of
    perversion, fear[ing] [our imaginary friends], and obey[ing] [stone-age scripture].”

    There you go, Lizz. Minimal editing for accuracy. Maybe you could consider editing yourself next time instead of outsourcing those duties to me?

  26. I really think that “fear God” is tantamount to fearing the Westboro Baptist Church. This very same equivocation of God and church is precisely the very thing that justifies their criminal behavior and much of the criminal statements in the Old Testament. And it doesn’t matter what your beliefs as this is a very ugly portrait of Christianity. It is my contention that if there is any perfection to be found in the Bible it is that the Bible serves as a perfect mirror; it tells us far more about ourselves than it ever could tell us about god. If you are a cruel man you’ll defend a cruel god and a kind man a kind god. And the finger pointing of these people is hardly “Christian” or “Paulian.” But it may be “Davidian.” Cherry pick your verses for as said, the Bible is a mirror. 

  27. Metatag, when you say “they are the internally coherent” it really depends on what scriptures you are talking about. It certainly isn’t coherent with Jesus’ admonitions to not judge but that is the problem; the Bible itself is incoherent and incongruous and esp. between OT and NT passages.  That is why I believe people will pick the verses to support their own independent way of thinking. Perhaps Karl Barth said it best when he said: “I take the Bible far too seriously to take it literally.” But that still begs the question how a book supposedly written by God couldn’t have been written so much better. Why doesn’t it sew these problems up without having to conjure up an apologist to jump jump through hyperbolic hoops to defend its supposed perfection?  

  28. >It struck me that Fred Phelps’ insane obsession with homosexuality might well stem from him actually being one, or a repressed one, himself.

    This obsession is common in the closeted.  Homosexuality is boring to straight males.

    St. Paul subscribed to the prairie fire view of homosexuality. It was so much more exciting and pleasurable than sex with women, that if men so much as heard about it, they would never go back.  None of my straight friends hold that view.

    There is a tendency gays have to discount the professed attraction straight males have for women.  Surely they don’t really mean it, at least not the cute ones. They are just doing it to fit in socially. So St. Paul fooled himself into thinking everyone thought as he did.

  29. The Westboro Baptist Church is a spiritually terrorist organization, and the best answer would be to organize a very loud and irritating, but peaceful demonstration outside their church every sunday, or whenever it is they meet to plan their hate, and make it impossible to hear the response from their invisible friend, or their own “amens.” Let them see how the rest of us have to live with them.

  30. What can I do that the Westboro Baptist Church pickets me and my eventual funeral? My family would be so proud. Sadly, I am not famous enough. You really did something right if these guys come around. Do you think if I donate to them, will they picket my funeral?

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