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The presidents of Egypt and Yemen argue at the U.N. that cultural limits on traditional Western freedoms must be respected


The new presidents of Egypt and Yemen — both of whom were swept to power by uprisings demanding democratic rights — issued clear rebuttals on Wednesday to President Barack Obama’s ardent defense of Western values at the United Nations, arguing that cultural limits on rights like freedom of speech had to be respected.

President Mohammed Morsi of Egypt, who billed his 40-minute speech to world leaders as the first by a democratically elected leader of his country, condemned the violence stemming from a short online video that insulted the Prophet Muhammad and led to numerous deaths, including that of the U.S. ambassador to Libya.

But Morsi flatly rejected Obama’s broad defense of free speech at the U.N. a day earlier, saying that “Egypt respects freedom of expression, freedom of expression that is not used to incite hatred against anyone.”

Written By: Neil MacFarquhar
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26 COMMENTS

  1. “Egypt respects freedom of expression, freedom of expression that is not used to incite hatred against anyone.”

    So…”for anyone”, read Islam…expression that is just a wee bit free then? The way I see it, if that’s the way he really wants to play it, his jails are going to get very full, very quick. Cretin!

  2. the nature of children’s tantrums is such that it’s impossible to tell what will set them off

     “Egypt respects freedom of expression, freedom of expression that is not used to incite hatred against anyone.”

    this can’t go uncommented; Alber Saber was allegendly thrown in a cell by an officer who freely expressed that the prisoner was an atheist in order to incite the hatred that left him with serious neck wounds. the above statement is no more rational than the idea that not wearing a burka is incitement to rape.

    there is also a vast difference between inciting hatred and reminding an individual of hatred they’ve been harbouring all along, and there’s no way to legislate on this. it’s like suggesting black people should be locked up for inciting racism

  3. Some beautiful flowers blooming in the arab spring !
    Is this freedom of expression or am I ‘inciting hatred’ now ?

    Mr Morsi:  “We expect from others, as they expect from us, that they respect our cultural specifics and religious references, and not to seek to impose concepts or cultures that are unacceptable to us,”

    Like what Sunni and Shia muslims do ?

  4. Egypt respects freedom of expression, freedom of expression that is not used to incite hatred against anyone.”

    Obnoxious as this film was, it didn’t incite hatred.

    “We expect from others, as they expect from us, that they respect our cultural specifics and religious references, and not to seek to impose concepts or cultures that are unacceptable to us,” 

    Yet he insists on imposing his concepts onto others.

  5. Yeah well the so called ‘Arab spring’ was only a door that the Islamic fundamentalists managed to slither through, as rabid theists anywhere they are always the first to seize an advantage if one is dangled in front of them.

    This is not unexpected, the Muslim attack hounds want Western Freedom of speech abolished and if not then severely curtailed cos it makes them …nervous!…they might have to defend their delusions if this situation endures, and they are not used to that, no theist is!

  6. A little, perverted side of me almost wishes that a universal law against blasphemy could be realized. If such a law came into effect (leaving aside, for now, how it would be realized or implemented), its very first culprits will be the religious themselves as their stupid beliefs are mutually incompatible with — and often blasphemous of — each other. That this basic paradox is completely lost on them makes me veer endlessly between feelings of mirth and the need to face-palm.

  7. They would predictably insist on special exemptions to religious belief.  They’re quite comfortable with free speech being violated, but would demand free religious expression remain untouched.

  8. Remember Henry Ford?: “Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black”

    Now it is: “we respect freedom of expression unless you use it to express something we don’t like”.

  9. It would be fair of Islam to insist that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam get equal protection from hate speech in the west. I am not  sure what the law is, but I do know you can get in trouble questioning the estimated number of deaths in the Holocaust. I suspect you can get in trouble with some Nazi propaganda. I presume you could get in trouble for calling for some group to be burned alive, or for claiming they all have boiled babies in their freezers. 

    However, you are not going to get in trouble for saying Jesus is a character of fiction, or drawing a picture of Mohammed, or saying that Israel’s foreign policy is insane.

    I don’t think equality would satisfy the Islamic nations. They want official RESPECT and they want to make up the rules of what constitutes sufficient respect.

    We simply have to say no, avoid deliberate provocation, and let the Muslims get used to the idea they are not masters of the universe.

  10. “Freedom of speech” eh? Will someone tell Tony Blair and Bill Clinton that? When did they last give a free speech? And Morsi didn’t go unpaid either! These guys have to please their supporters.  They’re all full of it until “free speech” offends their sensibilities, at which point they change course. Witness in Britain, the last Labour government’s legislation resulted in someone being convicted for holding an illegal demonstration, whilst at the Cenotaph, reading out the names of those British soldiers killed in the Iraq invasion. Some bloody “freedom” when you can’t even read out a list of names!

  11. I have often mentioned that I spent a year exploring Islam. The advice I was given is  “It does not matter what you actually believe (e.g. existence of djinn), just what you publicly espouse.  So long as you don’t publicly question the existence of djinn, no one is going to mind  that you think they are nonsense.”

    What the Muslims are asking for is an outward show of respect for Mohammed. To understand what is going on, think back to some old movie where everyone is preposterously concerned with honour. If you refuse to pay the ceremonial respects, you have mortally insulted them.

    Our equivalent might be sneaking a whoopy cushion under the queen, or refusing to bow.

  12. As I’ve indicated on a previous thread, drawing paper is forever, and so are vocal cords.

    To Mr. Morsi,  and what remains of the non-western world: That 21st Century alarm clock
     that you still mistakenly have attached to your prehistoric sundial is RINGING!!!!…………………..

    WHY DON”T YOU  WAKE UP AND DEAL WITH IT?????

  13. Mr Morsi(peace be upon him)the first democratically elected head of
    state of his country is absolutely  clueless on what democracy and
    freedom of speech actually are.

    He knows what it is. He just doesn’t like it.

  14. Maybe the Egyptian President can lead
    by example and have the following sections removed from the Quran.

     I found this at USC

    The
    Believers are but a single Brotherhood (49:10)

     

    Are
    those who know equal to those who know not? (39:09)

     

    Is
    the blind equal to the one who sees” Or darkness equal to light?
    (13:16)

     

    Slaves and the handicapped are not
    equal to healthy free men, (16:75-76)

     

    The “Law of Equality,” which
    establishes different levels of human value when considering certain matters,
    such as restitution for murder (2:178)

     

    Ye are the best of peoples,
    evolved for mankind,
    enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If
    only the People of the Book [Christians and Jews]
    had faith, it were best for them: among
    them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. (3:110)

     

    The Quran condemns non-Muslims to Hell for
    their unbelief. Believers are rewarded with the finest earthly comforts in the
    hereafter, including never-ending food, wine and sex (56:12-40) 

     

    The first sura of the Quran is a short
    prayer repeated by devout Muslims each day. It ends:

    Keep us on the right path. The path
    of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom
    Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray (Muhammed says the astray
    people are the Jews
    and Christians). (1:6-7)

     

    The Quran tells Muslims to be compassionate
    with one another but ruthless with infidels:

    Muhammad
    is the messenger of Allah. And those
    with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves…
    (48:29)

     

    And
    never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way to triumph over believers
    (4:141)

     

    Fight those who believe not in
    Allah
    nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah
    and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of
    the People of the Book, until they pay
    the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.9:29
    (Jizya is the money that non-Muslims must
    pay to their Muslim overlords in a pure Islamic state.)

     

    Those
    who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists,
    will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)

     

    Surely
    the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight
    are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe.
    (8:55)

     

    Verse 7:176
    compares unbelievers to “panting dogs” with regard to their idiocy
    and worthlessness. 

     

    Verse 7:179
    says they are like “cattle” only worse.

     

    Verse 5:60
    says that Allah transformed Jews of the past into apes and pigs. (Echoed
    by verses 7:166
    and 2:65.)

     

    A hadith (Bukhari 54:524)
    says that Muhammad believed rats to be “mutated Jews” (also confirmed
    by Sahih Muslim 7135
    and 7136).

     

    Verses 46:29-35
    say that unbelieving men are worse than the demons who believe in Muhammad.

     

    According to Islamic law, non-Muslims
    may be owned as property by Muslims,
    but – in keeping with Islam’s supremacist message – a fellow Muslim should
    never be (unless they convert to Islam after enslavement). 

     

    Even Christians and Jews are not
    considered fully human in that the penalty for killing one of them is limited
    to one-third of the compensation due for unintentionally killing a Muslim.

     

    The Quran explicitly declares that
    Allah does not love those who do not believe in him.

    He
    does not love the unbelievers
    (30:45)

     

     “Obey
    Allah and His Messenger”: But if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith.
    (3:32)

     

    Surely
    Allah does not love any one who is
    unfaithful, ungrateful. (22:38)

     

    Verses 11:118-199
    say that Allah does not bestow mercy
    on everyone. 

     

    For some reason, Allah chooses not to
    guide some people.

    And
    Allah’s is the direction of the way, and some (roads) go not straight. And had
    He willed He would have led you all aright. (16:9)

     

    Those
    who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins
    are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste
    the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
    (4:56)

     

    “Allah is the enemy of the
    unbelievers” (2:98)
    and, as we shall see, he hates them so much that he even leads them into
    sinning and actively prevents them from believing in him, thus ensuring their
    fate.

     

    There are over 400 verses that describe the
    torment that Allah has prepared for people of other religions (or no religion).

    And
    whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him,
    and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers (3:85)

     

    The relative worth of non-Muslims is
    that they are but fuel for the fire of Hell

    (As
    for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall
    avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire
    (3:10
    Shakir: “firewood of hell”)

     

    “O
    ye who believe! Ward off from yourselves and your families a Fire whereof the
    fuel is men and stones, over which are set angels strong, severe, who resist
    not Allah in that which He commandeth
    them, but do that which they are commanded.”
    (66:6)

     

    It doesn’t matter how good an
    unbeliever is, because:

    The
    parable of those who reject their Lord is that their works are as ashes, on
    which the wind blows furiously on a tempestuous day: No power have they over
    aught that they have earned (14:18)

     

    Shall
    we tell you of those who lose most in respect of their deeds?  Those whose
    efforts have been wasted in this life, while they thought that they were
    acquiring good by their works?  They are those who deny the Signs of their
    Lord and the fact of their having to meet Him (in the Hereafter): vain will be
    their works, nor shall We, on the Day of Judgment, give them any weight. 
    That is their reward, Hell, because they rejected Faith, and took My Signs and
    My Messengers by way of jest. (18:103-106)

     

    Muhammad told his people that anyone
    who rejects his claim to be a prophet will go to Hell:

    Surely
    those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and (those who) desire to make
    a distinction between Allah and His messengers and say: ‘We believe in some and
    disbelieve in others’, and desire to take a course between (this and) that.
    These it is that are truly unbelievers, and We have prepared for the
    unbelievers a disgraceful chastisement. And those who believe in Allah and His
    messengers and do not make a distinction between any of them– Allah will grant
    them their rewards (4:150-152)

     

    But
    as for those who disbelieve,
    garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on
    their heads, Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will
    be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron Whenever, in their anguish,
    they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said
    unto them): Taste the doom of burning. (22:19-22)

     

    No one could torture a person in this
    way without hating them intensely.  Neither can Allah’s intense loathing
    for unbelievers help but affect the Muslim attitude toward those outside the
    faith. 

    The personal superiority of Muslims is
    confirmed by the contrasting picture painted in so many places in the Quran in
    which they are rewarded with the greatest of earthly comforts in heaven, while
    the unbelievers concurrently suffer horrible torment (see Sura 56
    for just one example).

     

    The Quran says that Allah deliberately
    puts obstacles in the way of unbelievers:

    If
    We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance
    (32:13)

     

    Verily
    We have set veils over their hearts lest they should understand this, and over
    their ears, deafness, if thou callest them to guidance, even then will they
    never accept guidance. (18:57)
    – See also 17:46
    & 45:23

     

    Certainly
    the word has proved true of most of them, so they do not believe.  Surely
    We have placed chains on their necks, and these reach up to their chins, so
    they have their heads raised aloft. And We have made before them a barrier and
    a barrier behind them, then We have covered them over so that they do not see.
    And it is alike to them whether you warn them or warn them not: they do not
    believe. (36:7-10)

     

    No
    soul can believe, except by the will of Allah, and He will place doubt (or
    obscurity) on those who will not understand (10:100)

     

    And
    if Allah please He would certainly make you a single nation, but He causes to err whom He pleases and
    guides whom He pleases; and most certainly you will be questioned as to what
    you did (16:93)

     

    …and
    whomsoever Allah causes to err, you
    shall not find a way for him. (4:143,
    see also 4:88
    and 74:31)

     

    …and
    Allah sendeth him astray purposely,
    and sealeth up his hearing and his heart, and setteth on his sight a covering?
    Then who will lead him after Allah (hath condemned him)? Will ye not then heed?
    (45:23)

     

    See
    thou not that We have set the Evil Ones on against the unbelievers, to incite
    them with fury? (19:83)

     

    According to 3:54,
    Allah schemes against unbelievers using deceit

    As
    to those who do not believe in the hereafter, We have surely made their deeds fair-seeming to them, but they
    blindly wander on. (27:4) 
    See also 39:23,
    6:39,
    35:8,
    13:27
    & 14:4)

     

    On
    the contrary their hearts became hardened, and Satan made their (sinful) acts
    seem alluring to them. (6:43)

     

    Then
    would they offer submission (with the pretence), “We did no evil
    (knowingly).” (The angels will reply), “Nay, but verily Allah knows
    all that ye did; “So enter the gates of Hell, to dwell therein. (16:28-29)

     

    The Quran says that no true Muslim
    would ever love anyone who resists Islam, even if it is a family member:

    Thou
    wilt not find any people who believe
    in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger,
    even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their
    kindred. (58:22)

     

    O
    ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye
    wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?
    (4:144) 

     

    O
    ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are
    friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of
    them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (5:51)

     

    They indeed have disbelieved who
    say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary (5:17)

     

    O
    ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will
    not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already
    appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse (3:118)

     

    For
    the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies (4:101)

     

    As
    for them, they are but plotting a scheme (86:15)

     

    The
    Misbeliever is a helper (of Evil), against his own Lord!
    (25:55)

     

    The Quran says that “hostility and hate” will
    exist between Muslims and infidels “for
    ever” until the latter “believe
    in Allah alone.” (60:4)

     

    O
    ye who believe! Fight those of the
    disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and
    know that Allah is with those who keep their duty.
    (9:123)

     

    The Quran tells Muslims that they will
    spend eternity laughing at unbelievers (83:34)
    and mocking their suffering as they are tortured in Hell

     

    And
    the dwellers of the garden will call out to the inmates of the fire: Surely we
    have found what our Lord promised us to be true; have you too found what your
    Lord promised to be true? They will say: Yes. Then a crier will cry out among
    them that the curse of Allah is on the unjust.
    (7:44)

     

    The Quran is specific about the
    inferiority of other faiths (see 48:28)
    and the hatred that Allah harbors for their people.

     

    The
    Jews call Ezra a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah.
    That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the
    unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s
    curse be on them: how they are deluded
    away from the Truth! (9:30)
    (See also Bukhari 8:427),
    one of the last things Muhammad ever said on his deathbed was “May
    Allah curse the Jews and Christians.”)

    Christians
    are disbelievers and blasphemers (5:17,
    5:73)
    who have invented a lie about Allah (10:68-69)
    by ascribing partners to Allah (ie. the Trinity). 

     

    Inventing a lie about Allah is the
    worst of sins (7:37,
    29:68)
    and for this reason Christians are
    condemned to Hell (10:70). 

     

    One (early Medinan) verse seems to say
    that righteous Christians will go to heaven, this is abrogated by later verses
    that make it very clear that Christians must cease being Christian (ie. reject
    the Trinity) or suffer eternal torment
    for their beliefs (5:72-73).

     

    Jews
    are also cursed by Allah (5:13),
    in one of his final pronouncements. 

     

    The Quran assures Muslims that Jews are
    wicked (4:160-162)
    – so wicked they have somehow managed to do the impossible (18:27)
    and alter the word of Allah (2:75). 

     

    Jews are “fond of lies” and “devour
    the forbidden” (5:42).

     

    The Quran assures believers that Jews
    and Christians have “diseased hearts” (5:52). 

     

    Allah takes credit for the enmity
    between them (5:14). 

     

    Only Jews and Christians who submit to
    Islamic subjugation and pay the Jizya are protected in this world (9:29
    & Ibn Ishaq 956).

     

    In Islam, polytheists are worse than
    all other religion.  Those who join idols (14:30)
    or false gods (11:14)
    to Allah also invent a lie about Him (29:17)
    and will burn in Hell. 

     

    Believing in other divine entities
    along with Allah is an unforgivable crime (4:48,
    40:12).

     

    Atheists
    believe in no god, which is even worse than believing in the wrong one
    (Muhammad and his successors had atheists put to death – Bukhari 84:57). 

     

    Merely questioning the existence of
    Allah is a testament to one’s impiety (25:21),
    even as Muslim narcissim is encouraged in the Quran. 

     

    Muhammad always answered probing
    questions merely by telling the inquiring party that they would go to Hell if
    they didn’t believe in him (36:49-64). 

     

    The Quran discourages Muslims from
    intellectual inquiry (5:101-102).

     

    Any Muslim who gives up his religion is
    a “perverted
    transgressor” (3:82). 

     

    Perverted as well is anyone who denies
    Allah (40:63)
    or does not believe Muhammad (2:99). 

     

    Muhammad clearly prescribed the death
    penalty for apostates (Bukhari 52:260).

     

    Listen
    not to the unbelievers, but strive (Jihad) against them with the utmost
    strenuousness. (25:52)

     

    As
    for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all
    one for them; they believe not. Allah hath sealed their hearing and their
    hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom
    (2:6)

     

    Muhammad said that the purpose of some
    (Jews and Christians, at least) was to take the place of Muslims, so that they
    would not suffer there (Sahih Muslim 6666).

     

    Allah himself fights against the
    unbelievers (9:30),
    so why should Muslims not fight in his cause rather than in the cause of evil (4:76)? 

     

    FUN FACT: About 19% of the Quran is devoted
    to the violent conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims

     

    Against
    them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of
    war, to strike terror into (the hearts
    of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may
    not know (8:60)

     

    Strive
    hard (Jihad) against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against
    them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.  (66:9,
    See also 9:73)

     

    Muslims are to expect a reward in this
    life as well as the next (4:134),
    so it makes sense that unbelievers should be punished in this life as well:

     

    …He
    whom Allah sendeth astray, for him there is no guide. For them is a penalty in the life of this world, but harder, truly,
    is the penalty of the Hereafter… (13:33-34)

     

    There are at least two places in the
    Quran where the violent death of non-Muslims is referred to as Allah’s reward
    for unbelief (2:191,
    9:26),
    as in “such is the reward for
    unbelievers.” 

     

    Verse 3:56, 
    bluntly states that “those who
    reject faith” will be “punished
    with terrible agony in this world” .

     

    And
    unto Allah falleth prostrate whosoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly (13:15)

     

    Those
    who resist Allah and His Messenger will be among those most humiliated.
    (58:20

     

    And
    fight them until there is no more ftna (unbelief, worshipping others beside
    Allah), and religion is all for Allah…
    (8:39
    – Some translate the word “fitna” as “persecution”, but in this
    context it means resistance to Islam – defined in the prior verse as an
    unwillingness to believe (see verse 38). 

     

    This passage was “revealed” following a
    battle that Muhammad provoked. Verse 2:193
    essentially says the same thing and was also “revealed” at a time when the
    Muslims were not under physical attack).

     

    Those with “diseased hearts”
    - which include Christians and Jews according to 5:52
    - are to be “seized wherever found
    and slain with a (fierce) slaughter” (33:60-62)
    along with “hypocrites” (Muslims who are judged not to be true
    believers by their associations with unbelievers or their unwillingness to
    engage in Jihad).

     

    See
    they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying
    borders? (13:41
    - See also 21:44)

     

    We
    shall punish them gradually from directions they perceive not.
    (68:44)

     

    And
    He made you heirs to their land and
    their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet
    trodden, and Allah has power over all things. (33:27,
    See also Bukhari 53:392)

     

    Allah has promised, to those among
    you who believe and work righteous deeds, that He will, of a surety, grant them
    in the land, inheritance (of power), as He granted it to those before them;
    that He will establish in authority their religion… (24:55)

    Remember
    thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give
    firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the
    Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks
    and smite all their finger-tips off them.” This because they contended
    against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His
    Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment. (8:12-13)

     

    O
    Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight.
    If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if
    there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those
    who disbelieve, because they (the
    disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence
    (8:65)

    It’s just a start but if that’s what he wants he should get the ball rolling himself. This Eastern style freedom of speech has got to go!

    Other verses of violence may be found here.

     

    Not equal are those of the believers
    who sit at home… and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah
    with their wealth and lives” (4:95)

  15. I can understand to a certain extent why the authorities in these countries are upset over this video.  In their opinion (and mine) the video was made for the sole purpose to antagonize, provoke and incite violence in order to make Islam look bad.  And they were left to clean up the mess. 

    And, well, it worked.  So congratulations to the makers of this film.  It got innocent people killed but I guess that is a small price to pay.  Good job.

    With that said, what the president of Yemen and the President of Egypt need to understand is that Western values wont be manipulated by mob rule.  Well, at least not in this case. 

  16. I think the most important concept to convey is that;

    “Freedom of speech” is absolute BECAUSE if it is subjective it can be used for tyranny.

    Keep it short and easy to remember.

    “Why are you protesting freedom of speech, if you don’t have it the man can silence you?”

  17. “Obnoxious as this film was, it didn’t incite hatred.”

    I beg to differ. In my opinion, this film portrays Muslims and Mohammad as violent and immoral precisely to incite hatred of them. It’s very clear to me that it was made by an equally intolerant Christian and about as innocent as Der ewige Jude.
     
    The main reason I’m comfortable defending free speech is that it’s clear that in the west, it fell deaf ears. It was only after extremist Muslims manufactured outrage that anyone took any notice. I resent the time it took to watch it, drivel that it is.

  18. It was only after extremist Muslims manufactured outrage that anyone
    took any notice. I resent the time it took to watch it, drivel that it
    is.

    You are quite right.. the crassness of the codswollop is exemplified by an actress complaining that the main characters 2000 yeas ago in the desert of  ancient Egypt were named ‘George and Muriel’ or something rather and equally ridiculous and she was shocked the names were changed in post edit…it sums the whole dubious enterprise up…

    Some bright spark came across a scrappy 14 minute trailer of a film on U-tube a film that apparently has never been made and decided the best thing to do is shove it under some Muslim noses…probably half the globe where Muslim sensibilities hold sway have never seen it cos they don’t watch U-tube cos they have no access to a computer or U-tube is not available in their area!

    So they create a ruckus about a piece of fatuous crud that the majority had  probably never seen and people get killed that had nothing to do with the nonsense, just happened to be of the same nationality.

    It is like folk rioting because Tom was portrayed as a devious psychopath and Jerry the unwitting victim.
    And being serious about their outrage, it really does not need anti-islamic films to make fools of themselves…or is that murderous fools?
    They just do not consider context these upstanding holy rollers do they?
    The so-called film maker is a criminal nutcase, add to that his supposed Christianity, and you have an irrelevant wannabee with mental issues…and that goes double  for what cretinous muppets bank rolled and joined him on this pathetically banal infantile crusade.
     
    Thing is where is the faithful’s juvenile sense of utter intolerance of the real world going to end?

    Will every single  blog on the internet be subject of the ‘allah patrol’ sniffing for insurrection against the holy prophet…is every single clip on u-tube up for scrutiny by the ‘Mo appreciation society’

    If it ain’t going to be straight forward criticism they can merrily class as  blasphemy, then maybe they can all riot over the Jay Lo’s  posterior and call that blasphemy!

    Where will it end?…I kinda figure it won’t end well with the likes of Ban ki Moon doing the knee jerk tango, that is for damned sure!
    I think he did humanity a great insult there, doubt if he will apologise either!

  19. Hypocrisy, hypocrisy, hypocrisy, hypocrisy… did I say hypocrisy. As long as these people have elected members in their government who publicly and actively support suppression of women, gays, apostates, and pretty much every one else who disagrees with them I have a hard time taking them seriously when they talk about human rights and or incitement of hatred. Hate is the middle name of these people! 

  20. Ha ha! Yes, my post was two fold; win longest post and demonstrate just how impossible it would be for insulting speech to be wiped out. Assuming the Quran and all other religious text are included as examples of free speech. They would have to remove 60% of the Quran just to get in line. I follow by example, so they have a lot of work to do before they convince me they are sincere.

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