Do You Really Believe?

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This DVD presents a fascinating journey as the Catholic Church invited Science to test a modern-day Eucharistic Miracle. The astounding results support belief in the REAL PRESENCE OF JESUS in the Eucharist! The Investigative Team found in the Consecrated Bleeding Host the presence of Flesh and Blood, Human DNA and Heart Muscle Tissue containing White Blood Cells that can only exist if fed by a living body.


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50 COMMENTS

  1. At times – especially when seeing articles (in this case, product) like this – I think that I could put my video and web design skills to use and start selling religious media to make a decent bit of money. It’s akin to selling crack to crack fiends. But then my conscience and principles tend to get the better of me.

    Although, as a result, it makes me look at this product and ask the same question back at them: do you really believe – or are you scamming these people? Well, I suppose, since it’s nonsense anyway, it is a scam. But surely the makers of this MUST be aware that whatever they’ve put together on that DVD is spurious and unscientific – unless they’re also of the ilk that think “mainstream” science is one big atheistic conspiracy.

    Of course, we haven’t watched it, so it could all be true! We’ll have to buy and watch it to find out! Who’s with me? Anyone?

  2. They have solid evidence that the Eucharist is real, and they’re charging 15 bucks a pop for the privilege of getting access to this information? Why not just make it available to everyone free of charge? This would in one fell swoop and in the space of a few months discredit every other religion on Earth, making the Catholic Church the ultimate authority when it comes to God. Muslims, Hindus, atheists, even protestants would have to hold up their hands and admit they got it wrong.

    These Catholic guys may be preeminent when it comes to covering up child rape, spreading HIV and AIDS, collaborating with Nazis and whatnot, but they have a lot to learn about marketing their product. (You can call me a cynic, but part of me thinks that this DVD might not be telling the whole truth with its claims. I’m just saying)

  3. One of the characteristics of the nastiest of history’s cults has been their participation in human cannibalism. If the claims of this “Documentary” are true then, “Eat this for this is my body & drink this for this is my blood” truely does identify them as practicing ritualized cannibalism.
    Another predilection of cults is human sacrifice. Catholics/Christians do worship a human sacrifice….a single human sacrifice.
    I have argued/asked this before…..what does this make them?….a cult.

  4. About 1964, I was told by one of the nuns who taught me that if you pricked a “consecrated” host it would bleed. I decided that I would test this. So, I received a communion wafer in my mouth one day at Sunday mass, quickly slipped it into a  cloth handkerchief and took it home. As quick as I could, I ran to my room opened up the (now rather soggy) communion wafer and pricked it with a shirt pin. It produced a hole and no blood — just a hole through which I could see the back of the handkerchief. I tried making multiple holes and holes of different sizes. Still I got no blood.

    I recognize now that I was testing the hypothesis that “consecrated” communion wafers really were the “body of christ.” I got a negative result. I saw no blood or any other evidence that the soggy communion wafer was indeed anything other than a soggy communion wafer. As a result I am completely skeptical of the claims presented by loveandmercy.org.

    Thanks for reading

  5. Well, they say its true. So of course its true, without the need for any followup questions and testing. They did, after all use the word science. So it must be 100% real science. I’m convinced! Im gunna go throw rocks at gay people and abortionists now. It suddenly seems like a perfectly appropriate use of my time. Oh lord! Tell me whom to smite in your name! And they shall be smoted! Shut-up, and take my money, lord!

  6. If this is true every Catholic is facing charges in the United States. It is illeagal to consume human flesh and blood. As well as preparing and distrubution without FDA approval. This is sick.

  7. I’d be more interested to know how all that icky stuff they say they found in the Eucharist proves the REAL PRESENCE OF JESUS. Unless they have an exemplar of Jesus’s genetic material, how do they know it isn’t the antichrist’s DNA? Or Muhammad’s. Or Brian’s. Or Jimmy Savile’s. You need something to compare it with. Has anyone actually watched this DVD yet? Please tell me they’re not using the Turin Shroud.

  8. Proof  that there are two types of  reality the reality that we see all around us and catholic reality which will take any thing it can make up to try to prove that the garbage it peddles is true.

  9.  I’d be more interested to know how all that icky stuff they say they found in the Eucharist proves the REAL PRESENCE OF JESUS. Unless they have an exemplar of Jesus’s genetic material, how do they know it isn’t the antichrist’s DNA? Or Muhammad’s. Or Brian’s. Or Jimmy Savile’s. You need something to compare it with. Has anyone actually watched this DVD yet? Please tell me they’re not using the Turin Shroud.

    Ever read “Honk if you are Jesus”?

    http://www.amazon.com/Honk-If-

  10. A Roman Miracle! – a poem

    A pretty maid, a Protestant, was to a Catholic wed;
    To love all Bible truths and tales, quite early she’d been bred,
    It sorely grieved her husband’s heart that she would not comply,
    And join the Mother Church of Rome and heretics deny.

    So day by day he flattered her, but still she saw no good
    Would ever come from bowing down to idols made of wood.
    The Mass, the host, the miracles, were made but to deceive;
    And transubstantiation, too, she’d never dare believe.

    He went to see his clergyman and told him his sad tale.
    “My wife is an unbeliever, sir; you can perhaps prevail;
    For all your Romish miracles my wife has strong aversion,
    To really work a miracle may lead her to conversion.”

    The priest went with the gentleman — he thought to gain a prize.
    He said “I will convert her, sir, and open both her eyes.”
    So when they came into the house, the husband loudly cried,
    “The priest has come to dine with us!” “He’s welcome” she replied.

    And when, at last, the meal was o’er, the priest at once began,
    To teach his hostess all about the sinful state of man:
    The greatness of our Saviour’s love, which Christians can’t deny.
    To give Himself a sacrifice and for our sins to die.

    “I will return tomorrow, lass, prepare some bread and wine;
    The sacramental miracle will stop your soul’s decline.”
    “I’ll bake the bread, ” the lady said. “You may” he did reply.
    “And when you’ve seen this miracle, convinced you’ll be, say I.”

    The priest did come accordingly, the bread and wine did bless.
    The lady asked, “Sir, is it changed?” The priest answered, “Yes”.
    It’s changed from common bread and wine to truly flesh and blood;
    Begorra, lass, this power of mine has changed it into God!”

    So having blessed the bread and wine, to eat they did prepare.
    The lady said unto the priest, “I warn you to take care”,
    For half an ounce of arsenic was mixed right in the batter,
    But since you have its nature changed, it cannot really matter.”

    The priest was struck real dumb — he looked as pale as death.
    The bread and wine fell from his hands and he did gasp for breath.
    “Bring me my horse!” the priest cried. “This is a cursed home!”
    The lady replied, “Begone: t’is you who shares the curse of Rome.”

    The husband, too, he sat surprised, and not a word did say.
    At length he spoke, “My dear, ” said he, “the priest has run away;
    To gulp such mummery and tripe, I’m not for sure, quite able;
    I’ll go with you and we’ll renounce this Roman Catholic fable.”

    Author Unknown

    (a good test?)

  11.   Consecrated Bleeding Host the presence of Flesh and Blood, Human DNA and
    Heart Muscle Tissue containing White Blood Cells that can only exist if fed by a living body.

    Areas for scientific investigation in repeat testing:-

    The cook really should have been trained to put raw meat on the bottom shelf of the fridge, and bakery products on the high shelves!  -  Shouldn’t  handle food with cut fingers either! -  Never mind – Bacteria would not dare attack god, so who needs clean utensils?

    (What’s the bet that they repeated the tests until they got the “right” answer!)

    If it is not faked, it could be an example like the one of the incompetent researchers who spent two years working on “human DNA” – only to find that their sample was rat DNA from a badly washed petri-dish!

    sbooder
    .. .. the Pathology expert they use for independent analasys, just happened to be Frederick Zugibe

    An “independent” expert (Turin) shrouded in Catholicism!!!

  12. No, I’m afraid not. I did see an episode of The Outer Limits which sounds quite similar. It was from the updated series, not the classic sixties one and was therefore a bit dreadful, so I wouldn’t recommend your on anyone else’s seeking it out.

    This was the the episode’s closing narration: “In Man’s unending pursuit of salvation, the distractions of his science or his religion may be the very thing keeping him from his creator.” Yeah. Right. Harlan Ellison must be spinning in his grave.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T

  13. Sounds to me as if they baked a Eucharist cake; a Pork pie maybe?–though I wouldn’t put it past them touching up the contents with human blood or tissues to give the “right” kind of DNA.
    I didn’t know that Jesus’  DNA was already in a data bank, with which to compare the Eucharist contents.
    Has it been forensiclly tested (and not by Catholic “scientists”) ?

  14. I haven’t seen the DVD nor do I intend to, but I did see Dara O’Briein’s Science Club earlier this week which was coincidentally and very helpfully on the subject of DNA.

    One of the points made during the programme was that humans share 50% of their DNA with the banana.

    What occurs to me is that the ‘human’ DNA they discover is that part of the genome we share with the grape and with wheat.

    Also, even if it is actually DNA specific to humans, was it tested to ensure it was not from the person with the cut finger (referred to by another poster)?.

  15. LJofSpades wrote-
    “At times – especially when seeing articles (in this case, product) like
    this – I think that I could put my video and web design skills to use
    and start selling religious media to make a decent bit of money.”

    So I wrote-
     I’ve actually had to turn my creative skills off and refuse to do this sort of work. My previous employer, for those who haven’t already listened to my bitching about the man, was a hardcore creationist. His mother-in-law operated a Christian Programing Camp for Girls, I added the Programing. As the Creative Director, I was expected to work on the Mother-in-law’s propaganda, sorry, advertising… but I refused. That’s an easy money market but only the wicked prey like that. You all know I got fired for that one.

  16. A pathetic attempt by some unknown Liars-for-Jesus group to make money out of people desperate to believe that there’s something after death.  Is this the best attempt ever to prove that transubstantiation occurs?  Why wasn’t this “miracle” front page news around the world (it only happened 16 years ago, supposedly)?  How willing would they be to let real scientists duplicate their findings?  I’m willing to bet that any attempt to do so would be vetoed by the RCC.  Can’t imaging any self-respecting scientist even bothering with this one.

    Google “alejandro pezet” and “communion wafer” together with quotes and you’ll get…no results. Surprised? In fact, I could find only one source that mentions the incident. Google “mother goose” and “communion wafer” together on the other hand and there’s 429 results. Clearly Mother Goose is better at creating transubstantiation miracles than Padre Pezet!!

  17. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T

    When at his Last Supper, Jesus said: “This is my body”,[40] what he held in his hands still had all the appearances of bread: these “accidents” remained unchanged. However, the Roman Catholic Church believes that, when Jesus made that declaration,[41] the underlying reality (the “substance”) of the bread was converted to that of his body. In other words, it actually was his body, while all the appearances open to the senses or to scientific investigation were still those of bread, exactly as before. The Catholic Church holds that the same change of the substance of the bread and of the wine occurs at the consecration of the Eucharist[42] when the words are spoken “This is my body … this is my blood.” 

    The RCC don’t expect the eucharist to appear to scientific investigation than anything other than a communion wafer.

    Michael

  18. These charlatans aren’t trying to convert anyone, if they were then, as Katy Cordeth has already pointed out, they wouldn’t be charging money to buy this. This is just a scam to make money out of those already conned by religion and who need that little extra to bolster their faith.

  19. First they tested a ‘Eucharistic miracle’ such as the one in Lanciano in which a consecrated host started to bleed way back around 750. There are others and these ‘changes’ are preserved in special containers and adored as the regular consecrated bread which still looks like bread. Thus they first have to prove that the consecrated host itself changed into flesh rather than bread. I do not know of someone actually observing in a scientific setting one of these wafers or hosts changing to flesh. There have been hearsay stories of such but that’s the way of most miracles – hearsay or crowd delusion. It’s easy to prove flesh is flesh which they did. They would also have to prove that particular sample of flesh used to be bread and is that of the historical Jesus – rather difficult as we do not have a sample of his DNA. 

    Bottom line Transubstantiation (bread into Christ’s body and blood) is an article of faith which holds that the host has the properties of bread all the way to the planck level but is really the body and blood of Christ (dualism) . That is what the Church wants to believe, and that is fine. To try and prove that faith is futile and a waste of time and quite frankly a weakening of faith. Religion is a nice bubble to live in and provides a lovely world to explain this fearsome universe -(kind of like the bubble we witnessed during the long presidential campaign). 

    If this sounds confusing – it is. I like Dawkin’s explanation of reality better. The world opens up into an infinite array of wonder with more doors waiting to be opened.

  20.  Oh horrible, most horrible.  And just before my yoghurt and museli breakfast too!
     But I agree about the hygiene in the making of the wafers.  In my day, the nuns used to make them  as a sort of home industry. 
    I’ve just read the wikipedia entry on transubstantiation, a doctrine that we swallowed (pun intended) without question as kids.  How mad is that??  How can any reasoning adult believe it? 

  21. Its hard to believe that this kind of blatant fraud is tolerated by society.  Surely it falls in the same category as making false claims  about medicine and food safety etc which would  be liable for prosecution under FDA regulations or as a Ponzi type scheme which makes false promises?   It would be interesting to test it in court.   Are there any lawyers out there who would like to take it on?   I’m sure we would all contribute to costs.  

  22. The ‘Signs from God’ DVD, which is the 2 hour Fox TV show, is available in full on Youtube. So be warned. It’s as genuine as a 3 dollar bill. The review on Skeptic’s Dictionary starts with:
     Fox (Alien) Network’s “Signs From God: Science Tests Faith” should have been called “Dollar Signs: Fox Tests Gullibility.”
    http://www.skepdic.com/refuge/

  23. Love and Mercy Publications features the writings of Catalina Rivas, a
    housewife and grandmother from Cochabamba, Bolivia, who began receiving
    messages from Jesus and Mary in 1993 and who continues to receive
    messages. Below are some of the details of how the messages began…

    It’s amazing how a little old Bolivian granny channeling Jesus and Mary found these nice English speaking  people to set up a website, make DVDs and sell them for her… You’d think Jesus would just skip the “middle man” and send messages directly to the marketers. Evidently, sweet unassuming granny must have served a purpose. Shhh! don’t tell the priests. They might get jealous since they are supposed to be the only ones with a direct connect to God.

    This is almost as good a my prayer rug that I have received in the mail several times.

  24. “Do do that voodoo that you do so well” – NOT
    Cease and desist, RCC.

    A close family member recently became a practicing Catholic.
    It is disconcerting watching  her getting sucked closer to the event horizon 
    of the black hole.  I have to bite my tongue – damned difficult.

  25.  

    QuestioningKat
    Love and Mercy Publications features the writings of Catalina Rivas, a housewife and grandmother from Cochabamba, Bolivia, who began receiving messages from Jesus and Mary in 1993 and who continues to receive messages.

    …And presumably, still has received no psychiatric treatment!

  26. In an attempt to substantiate the RCC claim that the wafer becomes the flesh of Jesus, Alejandro Pezet failed to anticipate the adverse reaction from his congregation, in particular the screams and vomiting.

    The priest had wanted people to experience a higher realism with the Eucharist, but scientists later discovered that the wafers had been replaced with chicken flavoured Pringles.

    Apparently.

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