WTBN speaker urges pastors to bring politics into pulpits

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They came for a free meal, a bag of goodies and a chance for fellowship with other clergy.

But the crowd of more than 600 at Tuesday’s WTBN Ninth Annual Pastors Appreciation Lunch also got a strong message from the keynote speaker: Get political.


“I believe the preservation of America depends on pastors,” said Robert Jeffress, senior pastor of the 10,000-member First Baptist Church of Dallas. “This is no time for God’s men to be passive. It’s time to stand up and push back against all the evil in our country.

“Tell your people that they have a choice: to cast a vote for righteousness or vote for unrighteousness.”

Jeffress urged the capacity crowd at the A La Carte Event Pavilion in Tampa to use their pulpit time this Sunday to stress the importance of voting for the candidate who supports the “biblical values” of the sanctity of marriage, sanctity of life and religious freedom.

Stay silent, he warned them, and you’re no different than German Lutheran pastors who didn’t speak out against Hitler’s growing influence in the late 1930s. That lack of action led to the Holocaust, he said.

Jeffress, who has a national radio and television show, stopped short of endorsing Republican candidate Mitt Romney, but he said in an interview afterward that “people can connect the dots. It’s clear which candidate shares our views.”

That doesn’t mean Jeffress has changed his public stand on Romney’s Mormon religion.

“It’s absolutely a cult,” he said. “Mormonism is not part of Christianity. We clearly differ on theology, but we embrace the same values.”

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  1. ”  And the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association removed “Mormonism” from its list of cults on the group’s website “

    Expediency, wackaloons? What happened to rock solid inerrant biblical values and all that rot?

    Yes, Mt. magic underpants does share your values and that is the problem, your values, and his, are crazy batshit values. Sanctity of marriage? Anti-abortion? And all the rest come right out of a three thousand year old snoozer that should have been pulped a long time ago.

  2. >”It’s absolutely a cult,” he said.

    >… “but we embrace the same values.”

    Fascinating.  I know that that sounds like cheap cherry-picking.  The full quote is this:

    >”It’s absolutely a cult,” he said. “Mormonism is not part of Christianity. We clearly differ on theology, but we embrace the same values.”

    Which values?  Why isn’t he deeply concerned that he shares values with a cult? 

    Why hasn’t he taken great pains to make a distinction between his belief  system and that of a cult? 

    I would suggest that it’s because there are no distinctions that can be made that don’t show his religion to be just as much a “cult” as the mormon religion. 

    This is an example of why it’s so important to stand up for reason and science.  Beliefs inform actions.  We must politely challenge bad ideas because bad ideas act on the world.  It is not impolite to ask someone to account for their beliefs. 

    Asking the “faith”ful to justify their claims will always bring accusations of stridency and arrogance. 

    Meanwhile, in the back rooms, they are amplifying unevidenced beliefs and basing their actions on those beliefs, so we need to be louder.

    Out with the sacred.  Throw it in the crucible. 

     

  3. Jeffress urged the capacity crowd at the A La Carte Event Pavilion in Tampa to use their pulpit time this Sunday to stress the importance of voting for the candidate who supports the “biblical values” of the sanctity of marriage, sanctity of life and religious freedom.

    I wasn’t aware that “religious freedom” was a biblical value. I’m pretty sure the opposite of that is, though.

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    Click your Avatar, click on Activity – and our Comment History is now available (like on the old site).

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  5. How dare they call their wacky beliefs ‘righteousness’ and opposing, rational beliefs ‘unrighteousness’? How dare they call for standing up ‘against all the evil’ in their country or the inaction will result in a Holocaust!? Somebody , please tell them they’ve got it the wrong way round all the way!

  6.   @OP:disqus
    Jeffress urged the capacity crowd at the A La Carte Event Pavilion in
    Tampa to use their pulpit time this Sunday to stress the importance of voting for the candidate who supports the “biblical values” of the sanctity of marriage, sanctity of life and religious freedom.

    Jeffress, who has a national radio and television show, stopped short of endorsing Republican candidate Mitt Romney, but he said in an interview afterward that “people can connect the dots. It’s clear which candidate shares our views.”

    That doesn’t mean Jeffress has changed his public stand on Romney’s Mormon religion.

    “It’s absolutely a cult,” he said. “Mormonism is not part of
    Christianity. We clearly differ on theology, but we embrace the same values.”

     

    Yep!  The same fumble-brained double-think and cognitive dissonance!  It’s a loony cult but they are fellow wooists, so that’s OK!

    Stay silent, he warned them, and you’re no different than German Lutheran pastors who didn’t speak out against Hitler’s growing influence in the late 1930s.
    That lack of action led to the Holocaust, he said.

    Talk about cognitive dissonance and backside-first thinking!!!!

    Let’s spell this out! 
    “Speak out to support the fanatical religious right, just like the right-wing Lutheran Xtians did to put Hitler’s right-wing Xtian government  in power, 
    .. … .  so as to AVOID electing  a right wing fascist government to run amok as Hitler did! ” 

    ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THEIST BLINKER-SPEC BACKSIDE FIRST REASONING!   

    Here’s a right-wing flag for them which was used by Lutheran pastors  WHO SPOKE OUT IN SUPPORT THE EXTREME RIGHT  and Hitler – just as these pastors are being urged to do!

    The Deutsche Christen (German Christians) were a German Protestantism movement aligned towards antisemetic principles of Nazism. ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬
    The DC were sympathetic to Hitler’s goal of uniting the individual Protestant churches into a single Reich church.

    The DC was first formed in 1931 and the flag was flown during marches and demonstrations.
    http://nobeliefs.com/images/De

    Coat of Arms of Prussia after 1933 - 
    http://nobeliefs.com/mementoes

    After the Machtergreifung
    (seizure of power) in 1933, Prussia became a Nazi state. Hitler himself became formally the governor of Prussia. His functions were exercised, however, by Hermann Göring, as Prussian prime minister.

     Hitler and mother with the Mutterkreuz –
    http://nobeliefs.com/mementoes

  7. I guess that within a hundred years or so years religionists will say that gay marriage and stem cell research was their idea in the first place. Just like abolition of slavery and apartheid.

  8. I believe this is very likely to happen, even much sooner. But in all fairness, some of the religious do promote gay marriage and stem cell research already, especially the protestants in Northern Europe. It might be a minority globally, but the future Christians will simply choose to call themselves spiritual children of that particular persuasion. That’s the convenient thing about religion, you get to invent your own facts as you go.

    Also it’s good to point out that this marriage of Christianity with right wing politics is mainly an American thing. In Europe most religious people, especially Christians, do support adequate taxation, free health care, free higher education, strict gun control or more equal distribution of wealth. They might press for strict abortion laws, but only the most devout Catholics and fundamentalists would oppose it entirely. Even the Christians who tend to be socially right wing are usually left wing fiscally.

    However, the fact that any religion embraces any social progress is because of the secular pressure of the surrounding society. It certainly doesn’t come from within their religion. So it’s infuriating that religions claim any credit for ending any form of injustice, since pretty much every injustice was also fiercely supported by the very same religion.   

  9. “Stay silent, he warned them, and you’re no different than German Lutheran pastors who didn’t speak out against Hitler’s growing influence in the late 1930s.”

    in fairness to them, Hitler defered to his christian god rather a lot in justifying his actions. you can’t expect pastors to understand the difference between right and wrong-but-someone-mentioned-god

  10.  Yes, the German Lutherans deserve plenty of blame for what happened in the 1930s – or what didn’t happen- but so do Christians of other nations who played down the excesses of Nazism because they saw Hitler as a last bulwark against the godless hordes of the Soviet Union. The Catholics went rather further than “keeping silent”, as we all know.

    There were some people (including the US Ambassador in London) who muttered about a Jewish conspiracy to drag everyone into a war against Hitler. Among UK newspapers, the influential Daily Mail supported Hitler almost up to the outbreak of war.

  11. Ah, but a) by rubber and glue theory, the Nazis were left wing b) by corndogs of genus canis theory, Nazis were actually socialists, i.e. COMMUNISTS. And Barak HUSSEIN Obama is ultra ultra super double left wing also i.e. also a COMMUNIST, also (and black, hem hem). Pure American Christian Capitalism only fails because of tainting by the devil, and his speculator and market manipulator minions such as COMMUNISTS, uppity blacks, liberal Jews (SOROS, who is probably a demon), Muslims and ATHEISTS (though not the free market ones they are on God’s side they just don’t know it). THIS IS WHY BARAK HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN WILL DESTROY AMERICA BECAUSE HE IS A COMMUNIST NAZI ATHEIST MUSLIM JEW WEAK BLACK FOOD STAMPS STRONG GAY ANGRY APOLOGETIC DEMON ANTICHRIST HUSSEIN. 

  12. When your mental outlook is that your church becomes your State, I now feel that kind of parochialism
     no longer deserves a free ride. Think of the write offs all that clergy got for travelling to Tampa to hear people
    like Jeffress whine and pine about his “freedom of religion”, and making it abundantly clear in sub-
    stance that he was advocating a particular Presidential candidacy.

    This kind of activity should no longer be subsidized as legitimate travel expense deduction. If you want to 
    babble about the Good Book, fine; if you want to assemble for a picnic, fine,– but expense incurred in doing
    what was done in this instance is the substantive equivalent of a political campaign donation, and the IRS should treat it as such.

    Let’s not hold our collective breaths about this happening any time too soon.

    But I sure do fantasize about being the IRS agent who one day gets to do audits that dress down these morons, and make them accountable for their time spent in “religious assembly”.

  13. I am all for individual churches doing the political stomping.  Allow me a bit of lenience and I’ll tell you why.

    1.  They do it anyway.  

    2.  If we trick them into thinking that they should announce that they do it……

    3.  When the announcement is proclaimed…..

    4.  They (by law) must PAY TAXES!!!!!

  14. “It’s absolutely a cult,” he said. “Mormonism is not part of Christianity. We clearly differ on theology, but we embrace the same values.”

    ”  And the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association removed “Mormonism” from its list of cults on the group’s website “

    And the difference between a cult and a religion is? The numbers, obviously.

  15. “I believe the preservation of America depends on pastors,”

    … and I believe that the preservation of America, and civilisation as a whole, depends on getting rid of pastors, priests, mullahs, rabbis and any other kind of clerics before they send us back to Medieval times.

  16. If there was an election every four years for supreme being as there is for the President of the United States., I presume that the God of Abraham Party would be voted out of office on Tuesday. I would however love to see the attack ads..

  17. Calm down, CdnMacAtheist, calm down.  I think that just as those ‘ultra ultra super double’ fundamentalist pastors and their flocks are far-right, so ‘the ranting PERSON’ surely is being ‘ultra ultra super double’ sarcastic;  you are, PERSON, aren’t you?

  18. Bornagainathiest
    You forgot Snappy Dresser and Great Dancer.

    And not a bad Al Green impersonation to boot. Certainly the coolest POTUS to date.

    CdnMacAtheist, HenMie is right, it’s a Poe fo’ sho’ (as I believe modern parlance would have it). Not enough block caps and punctuation in the right places give the game away.

  19.  I thought the Blue name PERSON denoted some kind of guest comment, and the post was very odd. I didn’t read the comment you were replying to, so your comment just looked whacky – which in a sense it was.  Since I’m not political or American, I’m not up on their politics.  I’ll have to be more careful when reading comments.

  20.  
    Jeffress urged the capacity crowd at the A La Carte Event Pavilion in
    Tampa to use their pulpit time this Sunday to stress the importance of
    voting for the candidate who supports the “biblical values” of the
    sanctity of marriage, sanctity of life and religious freedom.

     

    It seems a majority of US voters have saved the world from the religiously disabled, inflicting, golden plates,  “biblical values”, sanctity of single cell life, and the religious freedom to impose their dogmas on others.

    Stay silent, he warned them, and you’re no different than German
    Lutheran pastors who didn’t speak out against Hitler’s growing influence
    in the late 1930s. That lack of action led to the Holocaust, he said.

     

    Fortunately, they also seem to have ignored this double-talking modern incarnation of the “Hitler supporting Lutheran pastors”!
    http://richarddawkins.net/news… 

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