Relics said to be from Jesus’ birth to be at Chicago church

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Tiny fragments said to be from the manger that held the infant Jesus, the veil of his mother, Mary, and a thread from the cloak of St. Joseph will be displayed by a Roman Catholic church in Chicago when it celebrates its 155th anniversary on Sunday.


The fragments, released by the Vatican in 1972, were a gift to the Holy Family Church from the Shrine of Our Lady of Pompeii, also in Chicago. Displaying them now has particular significance because of their association with Christmas, which marks the birth of Jesus.

The Rev. Jeremiah J. Boland, administrator of the church, said on Friday that he is “not that interested” in carbon testing the items to see if they are from the beginning of the Christian Era.

“The Vatican has its own process to determine the authenticity of things,” Boland said. “I’m more concerned with it as an object of faith.”

Written By: Mary Wisniewski
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39 COMMENTS

  1. Now that is a riot. They don’t know exactly where he was born and they don’t know when he was born even given a couple years forgiveness of the math. They don’t even know when he died. They somehow misplaced the Ten Commandments and all original writings that form the Gospels.

    But they are certain these slivers of wood and swatches of cloth were preserved from the miraculous event and passed down. It’s amazing, Grace.

  2. The Rev. Jeremiah J. Boland, administrator of the church, said on Friday that he is simply not that interested in carbon testing.

    “Not that interested?” If he were honest, he’d leave out the word “that.” As a matter of fact, I’ll bet he’s angry that the process exists at all. Those “tiny fragments” are yet another “Great & Powerful Oz” and carbon dating is Toto pulling back the curtain. It’s the reason The Shroud Of Turin hasn’t really been in the news much since 1989.

  3. Tee hee. Even the Vatican knows they’re all crap. Of course, ALL relics are crap, but just imagine this case, from the standpoint of a True Believer. If Rome thought for a second that those items really ‘touched’ the Son of God, they’d be unfathomably valuable and would never be released. It’s like DeBeors (sp?) saying, “Here, take one of our diamonds. We believe in sharing the beauty.”
    Yeah, suckers born every day.

  4. ‘The Vatican has it’s own process to determine the authenticity of things’. You mean like how much they can charge the sheeples to see them! Don’t you just love these con men!

  5. I’m going to set a shrine up where I live too…

    I’ve got Harry Potter’s first wand, the authentic first nappy/diaper worn by Luke Skywalker AND a holy vial containing the liquid metal remains of the T-1000 Terminator…

    Rumours that I also have a parchment detailing the exact burial place of Jesus are of course unfounded, as Jesus is merely a myth…

  6. They really should be prosecuted for fraud.

    They must be real, the provenance goes back to 500 years after his supposed birth.

    Well I just found a relic from that famous re-appearance of jesus in 1512, so it must be real it was only 500 years ago.

  7. “The Vatican has its own process to determine the authenticity of things,”

    Excellent! That’s convinced me. There I was thinking they just made stuff up, but they have a process, so that’s ok

  8. When I left school – Liverpool, 1972 – I was given a black rosary (black for boys, blue for girls).

    In a small indentation on the back of the crucifix was a small glass vial.

    In the vial was a splinter from the cross that Christ died on.

    Honestly.

    We all got one. Every male school leaver did. Every year. Thousands of us.

    The females had to put up with a vial containing a thread from Mary’s under-garments or some other female Saints’ knickers or some such thing.

    I wish I still had that rosary – purely as a relic of a previous life.

    Anvil.

  9. I think the mods picked this article and Piltdown to appear next to each other. I smell a theme….Humans are liars and fakers. Some forgeries are of the real thing while others are intended to give legitimacy to a story. The trick is to know the difference and be willing to have the truth exposed.

  10. “Jesus just left Chicago, and he’s bound for New Orleans…” ;)

    Supposedly, these “relics” are only 1/5 inch in diamenter.

    Good thing they’re under glass; one good sneeze and ‘oh crap’!!

  11. Oh yeah, these relics are definitely legitimate, we don’t need to carbon date them. Look, one of these coins found by the manger has the date 4 BC stamped on it, which is about when we believe Jesus was born.

  12. Msloane: Baby Jesus didn’t need to wear diapers. He didn’t poo. That’s why in all the Renaissance paintings, he’s diaperless or wearing only a bit of swaddling swirrled attactively his chubby bottom.

  13. In reply to #13 by Anvil:

    In a small indentation on the back of the crucifix was a small glass vial. In the vial was a splinter from the cross that Christ died on.

    One of my dental students went to Jerusalem and, knowing my perspective on religion, brought me a small silver crucifix from the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. It is hollow, and contains a small bit of soil which was taken from below the cross and, therefore, contains some of Jesus’s blood. And they say there is no evidence. Ha!!

    This just in: Church in Jerusalem sinks into ground as foundations are sold bit by bit. ;-)
    Steve

  14. “The Vatican has its own process to determine the authenticity of things.” – You mean the “Make Shit Up” method? Yeah, I’m familiar with that one.

    I would like someone to find DNA from baby Jesus in the manger and Mary’s DNA on the veil. Then isolate Mary’s DNA from Jesus’ and presto; what’s left is god’s. Last step: clone god’s DNA and use it to create a vaccination against God. No more children will have their innocent minds infected with god again!

  15. I have a complete set of Jesus’ toe nail clippings. I am not that interested in getting it tested because I have my own way of defining it’s authenticity. I am going to offer it to the Vatican for a price. If they have the poor taste to reject my offer I will put it on eBay.

  16. One wonders what other fraudulent crap the Vatican has hidden away in the attic. John the Baptist’s car keys? Or perhaps a fragment of Noah’s life jacket. The Catholic church built it’s vast wealth with fakery like this. Depressing isn’t it?

  17. @OP – “The Vatican has its own process to determine the authenticity of things,” Boland said. “I’m more concerned with it as an object of faith.”

    Of course it does! (As I have linked previously) – That is why its claims to be compatible with scientific evidence or rational thinking are rubbish!

    The “infallible” Pope Pius IX, – at the the First Vatican Council

    “9. Hence all faithful Christians are forbidden to defend as the legitimate conclusions of science those opinions which are known to be contrary to the doctrine of faith, particularly if they have been condemned by the Church; and furthermore they are absolutely bound to hold them to be errors which wear the deceptive appearance of truth.” (Vatican Council I) wikipedia

    “10. Not only can faith and reason never be at odds with one another but they mutually support each other, for on the one hand right reason established the foundations of the faith and, illuminated by its light, develops the science of divine things;
    on the other hand, faith delivers reason from errors and protects it and furnishes it with knowledge of many kinds.” (Vatican Council I)

    So as you can see: “Faith”, can “correct” the “errors” of evidenced science AND logical reasoning !!
    (- Allegedly – according to RCC dogmatic “infallibility”!)

    (Of course we know, that in reality, those mentally disabled by “faith” cannot even correct the multitude of errors embedded in their own brain fumblings! – but then without any proper grasp of logical reasoning or scientific testing, – “faith-users” would have no way of knowing that!)

  18. I don’t really like being part of the modern internet jargon gang but I think I’ll allow myself a “laugh out loud” at this as it’s about as intellectual an expression as “not that interested” in this regard. LOL!

  19. All you bloody sceptics ! Come on, this is actual evidence of the creator of the universe, true in the form of a few splinters of wood and a bit of cloth, – but evidence nonetheless ! As the RCC man says too holy to be tested by poxy scientific methods, and as others have pointed out, the RCC have their own superior methods !

    I think we should all feel privileged that the Almighty creator of the universe has left such humble evidence of His existence ! What else would a carpenter leave but some sawdust and a few splinters ?

    As for Allah, we could never see any evidence for Him because He must always remain invisible !

    The invisible man who controls the universe ! No wonder Pat Condell gets a wee bit irate at times !

  20. In reply to #21 by justinesaracen:

    Msloane: Baby Jesus didn’t need to wear diapers. He didn’t poo. That’s why in all the Renaissance paintings, he’s diaperless or wearing only a bit of swaddling swirrled attactively his chubby bottom.

    Pooing…that great equaliser…it is hypothesised that that could be the reason for the Spanish tradition of the Caganer figure in Spanish Nativity scenes…essentially, we all need to poo, even messianic beings…prince to pauper…it is the one thing of embarrassment we all engage in doing.

  21. I have started a new christian sect its called Fags For Jesus(its ok im gay) or FFJ if you prefer. I have acquired a pair of assless leather chaps once worn by Jesus and will soon be touring the globe. Coming to your city in the near future.

  22. In reply to #30 by GlenNeuro:

    I don’t really like being part of the modern internet jargon gang but I think I’ll allow myself a “laugh out loud” at this as it’s about as intellectual an expression as “not that interested” in this regard. LOL!

    LOL! to you, too! Hahaha! Liked it!

  23. In reply to #32 by Mr DArcy:

    All you bloody sceptics ! Come on, this is actual evidence of the creator of the universe, true in the form of a few splinters of wood and a bit of cloth, – but evidence nonetheless !
    As the RCC man says too holy to be tested by poxy scientific methods, and as others have pointed out, the RCC have their own superior methods

    I think we should all feel privileged that the Almighty creator of the universe has left such humble evidence of His existence !

    What else would a carpenter leave but some sawdust and a few splinters ?

    A large wooden collection bowl?????

  24. And his holiness the poop reverently turned the relics over and the miracle was confirmed! They were real! he called one of his aides over to show him the proof;on each item in miraculously tiny letters was the legend……….made in Hong Kong

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