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PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has assured religious groups they will have the ”freedom” under a new rights bill to discriminate against homosexuals and others they deem sinners, according to the head of the Australian Christian Lobby.


Under current law, faith-based organisations, including schools and hospitals, can refuse to hire those they view as sinners if they consider it ”is necessary to avoid injury to the religious sensitivities of adherents of that religion”.

Ms Gillard has met Australian Christian Lobby managing director Jim Wallace several times, and he says she assured him ”she has no intention of restricting freedom of religion” when it comes to religious groups’ legal rights to discriminate in hiring and firing.

The Prime Minister said through a spokesman: “We don’t comment on discussions with stakeholders.”

Discrimination by religious organisations affects thousands of Australians. The faiths are big employers, and the Catholic Church in particular is one of Australia’s largest private employers.

They rely on government funding but because of their religious status are allowed to vet the sexual practices of potential employees in ways that would be illegal for non-religious organisations.

Written By: Jonathan Swan
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21 COMMENTS

  1. Christian jobseeker; “Give us a job mate”
    Gay employer; “I don’t think so,not with that CV pal”

    Can you imagine the outcry?You just got to laugh at the bollox going through some peoples minds.

  2. Discrimination by religious organisations affects thousands of Australians. The faiths are big employers, and the Catholic Church in particular is one of Australia’s largest private employers.

    They rely on government funding but because of their religious status are allowed to vet the sexual practices of potential employees in ways that would be illegal for non-religious organisations.

    They don’t seem to have had much aptitude in appointing or supervising their priests!!

  3. “but because of their religious status are allowed to vet the sexual practices of potential employees”

    Their vetting procedures need an overhaul to specifically weed out filthy little ‘men’ who hide among their ranks so that they can rape and sodomise children.

  4. “They rely on government funding but because of their religious status are allowed to vet the sexual practices of potential employees in ways that would be illegal for non-religious organisations.”

    In my eyes this means nothing short of government sanctioned discrimination. I don’t care what you do with your own money, but I expect a government to treat everybody equally as human beings and full citizens.

    And the fact that non-religious organisations are not allowed the same privilege is just the cherry on top, isn’t it? Any religious belief, no matter how whacky or hateful towards a minority, is treated specially and trumps equality laws. Yet I would not be allowed to act on personal beliefs that I’d rather pay a salary, or extend my services to, someone tolerant or in financial trouble over someone who thinks others are worthy of death merely by virtue of how they were born.

    Apologies for the rant, but this is beyond the pale.

  5. I lived in Australia for 7 1/2 years. The trend there is similar to pretty much every country. In the cities you basically find most people don’t seem to care too much about religion in general, small towns on the other hand seem to be overly religious. On top of that you have an increasing immigrant population who appear to be very religious, for example, people from South Africa and South America. I’m rather disappointed that the Australian government, regardless which one, as it seems to wallow in religion and seems to run almost like a mini version of America in this way. There are way too many Catholic run hospitals in Australia, private of course.

    Considering Australia is a secular country and has a rather large gay community it’s really sad to see this development. I do hope to one day see religion out of politics in Australia but that doesn’t appear to be happening any time soon (keep in mind that the Catholic church plays a large part in the Labor party in Australia). The Catholic church has way too much money and power there. I think that the only way to really hurt them is to slowly bankrupt them. When I was there they made continued threats to close hospitals when they didn’t get their way. This is the problem you have in Australia.

    I really do despise religion in all its forms with it’s hate and ignorance.

  6. So rcc priests can rape children, be protected from the law by their organisation, can in Germany refuse to cooperate with the legal authorities, spread aids in Africa, forbid birth control and deliver squalor to overpopulated countries, interfere with women’s health care in the USA, work strenuously to discriminate rights of the gay community, interfere with the elected governments of democratic countries all over the world, lie, spin and behave like spoiled brats when ordinary decent people stand up for secular rights and now they have the legalised right to discriminate against anyone they choose in Australia. I am astonished. I thought Aussies were smarter, fairer and more civilised than this.

  7. In reply to #10 by TerryStokeB:

    So rcc priests can rape children, be protected from the law by their organisation, can in Germany refuse to cooperate with the legal authorities, spread aids in Africa, forbid birth control and deliver squalor to overpopulated countries, interfere with women’s health care in the USA, work strenuously to discriminate rights of the gay community, interfere with the elected governments of democratic countries all over the world, lie, spin and behave like spoiled brats when ordinary decent people stand up for secular rights and now they have the legalised right to discriminate against anyone they choose in Australia. I am astonished. I thought Aussies were smarter, fairer and more civilised than this.

    I’m about to move there. I’ll have a word, Terry.

    Anvil.

  8. Bah, she said that just because she’s fed up being constantly mistaken with Jodie Foster.

    Anyway, the Catholic Church already discriminates on gender in a way that would never be tolerated from any secular institution.

  9. In reply to #7 by SomersetJohn:

    I wonder what would happen if some employer were to advertise a vacancy with the caveat “No theists need apply”

    People are always saying that atheism is a religion, so I guess the employer could argue he’s within his rights under Australian law to say he doesn’t want someone who believes in God on his payroll, that it would conflict with his own religious beliefs.

    It would be interesting to see such a case make the headlines.

    Since these faith-based organisations are allowed to discriminate against those they view as sinners, and given that religious people usually consider anyone and everyone who doesn’t subscribe to their own particular branch of Godasskissery as sinners, does this mean they’re allowed to deny employment to Muslims, Jews, Buddhists etc?

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    They rely on government funding but because of their religious status are allowed to vet the sexual practices of potential employees in ways that would be illegal for non-religious organisations.

    Vet the sexual practices? I bet they hate having to do that. “Okay, your criminal background check has cleared, we’ve contacted all the people you listed as references and that’s all fine. There’s just one last thing before we can employ you: I need to observe you and your missus, erm, on the job as it were. Just to make sure that you’re really into it and you don’t shout out the name of Shane Warne of Jason Donovan at a crucial moment, and you don’t try any backdoor shenanigans. I’ll be wearing flippers, a hockey mask and be smothered in Vegemite as I watch…for health and safety reasons.”

    Seriously, religious people, just stop it. Stop it right this minute. Stop being…weird. Catholics in particular, your recent history has shown what happens when your clergy becomes obsessively preoccupied with sex and sin. It didn’t end well.

  10. So discrimination is bad but giving the religious the ‘freedom’ to discriminate is just fine? I demand my freedom to discriminate against religious discrimination and its general wackaloonery?

  11. I still remember when she seized the PM’s role from the Kevin Rudd and thought to myself “great, with an atheist PM we’ll now see some changes (Kevin is and was a huge god botherer who quoted the bible frequently in meetings with ministers)”.
    Unfortunately I forgot she’s first and foremost a politician and bends over for any group that will keep her and her party in power. With the slim majority for Labor, she’s given the religious groups everything and more than they would have under a Liberal government anyway

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