Archbishop in warning over same-sex marriage

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The Catholic Church in Scotland has stepped up its opposition to plans to legalise gay marriage by issuing a fresh warning to the Scottish Government.


Former Archbishop of Glasgow Mario Conti has described same-sex marriage as “morally defective” and urged ministers not to equate “homosexual unions with heterosexual marriage” by legislating.

Archbishop Emeritus Conti’s latest remarks come as the Scottish Government continues to seek views on its Marriage and Civil Partnership (Scotland) Bill.

In a letter published in the Catholic journal, The Tablet, the Archbishop wrote: “While it is true, certainly within Catholic social teaching, that governments are not required to make all immoral actions illegal, to many it is unhelpful, unnecessary and indeed profoundly unwise for political action to do quite the opposite, namely to attempt through the law, by equating homosexual unions with heterosexual marriage, to render moral what is in itself morally defective.”

He went on to say that the Catholic Church’s opposition must “surely be worthy of consideration” given its task to “promote the moral well-being of society”.

LGBT equality charity the Equality Network has called on the Government to stand firm on its proposed laws.

Written By: The Scotland Herald
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26 COMMENTS

  1. Well he’s right about one thing. Society should take into account the guidance given by the RCC on matters of morality. If we want to do something, and the RCC says we are wrong, then that’s a pretty reliable indication that we are on the right track.

    Michael

  2. I don’t see a problem. Obviously no Catholic can enter into a gay marriage.

    Also, no catholic can get a divorce, and any catholic who remarries after a false divorce should then be prosecuted for bigamy.

  3. Who gives a shit what the church says? They should have no say in the legality of marriage. That they play dress-up and participate in entertaining marriage rituals should be considered completely irrelevant to government It has nothing to do with the church; marriage is a legal contract that some people wish to celebrate with a meaningless church ceremony. It’s like the church saying gay people shouldn’t be allowed to high-five after getting their drivers license. Piss off church.

  4. Former Archbishop of Glasgow Mario Conti went on to say that the Catholic Church’s opposition must “surely be worthy of consideration” given its task to “promote the moral well-being of society”.

    I don’t remember anyone asking the RCC to take up such a task. Why not just sit in the corner and leave society well enough alone?

    Its history in Ireland alone shows it to be morally bankrupt.

  5. He went on to say that the Catholic Church’s opposition must “surely be worthy of consideration” given its task to “promote the moral well-being of society”.

    Yes. I m thinking of self-appointing myself the task of telling brain surgeons what to do and insisting that my opinions “must be worthy of consideration” because I have appointed myself that task.

    If I were hiring a moral supervisor and the catholic church handed in a resume, theirs would be among the first resumes in the waste basket. Then, I would call the police.

  6. “He went on to say that the Catholic Church’s opposition must “surely be worthy of consideration” given its task to “promote the moral well-being of society””

    Why MUST it be worthy of consideration? Their opposition to what most decent human beings see as totally acceptable is not worth a pinch of Bronze Age goat shit.

    Well, thankfully the secularists eventually took over despite incredible opposition and formed a decent, honourable, humanist society after wresting it from the Church and their disgusting bible that still dicatates what The Church and Christians see as moral, much of which is totally acceptable to decent human beings today.

    All that Christianity promotes is bigotry, hatred of anyone who doesn’t think like them, a reward and punishment system that is totally ghastly, the brain-washing of little children and rituals that are so primitive and unbelievable as to defy any sort of logical and reasonable acceptance.

  7. It’s sad that the only thing the church can do to stay relevant is through hate speech. It’s like how pseudo celebrities use controversy to get some publicity because they don’t have any real talent.

  8. So many negative comments on this thread about Catholic opposition to homosexuality. Why are you trying to take this away from them? It’s so mean. Don’t you know the only thing the Catholic Church has left in the Western world, the one thing that gives them a smidgen of relevance, is the issue of gay rights? (well, maybe abortion too)

    The RCC is one of the largest and wealthiest multinationals in the world, but unlike all the others, it doesn’t actually have a product to sell anymore. It doesn’t have a burger joint or Roman Catholic Coffee Shop (“ask about our Holy Communion biscotti”) on every street corner. It doesn’t sell gaming devices or cell phones.

    The Church has lost its grip on the West – nobody believes in Hell anymore, the majority of practicing Catholics use contraception against the Church’s teachings, the endless child abuse scandals have revealed the upper echelon as the scoundrels they are. The gay marriage issue is the only thing stopping Benedict and his whole cadre from cutting their losses, packing their bags and moving the whole operation someplace where the natives are a little more gullible and manipulable. Probably Africa. I do genuinely think that the next pope or next but one will be of African descent.

    People mistakenly think the RCC and Pope Benedict hate gay people. This couldn’t be further from the truth. Ratzinger was by most accounts quite liberal in his youth (after his Tomorrow Belongs To Me days, presumably). All the speculation about whether he himself is homosexual or a pederast is exactly that: speculation. What he does seem to be is a pragmatist; someone who recognises that marriage equality and all the LGBT rights stuff is a gift from God to the Holy See. The only time you ever see one of these guys on the news is when it’s an item about gay marriage.

    So the next time someone like Archbishop Conti makes one of these tedious pronouncements, don’t fly straight to your computer screen and immediately condemn him. Show a little Christian compassion and remember that he’s doing it so his job won’t get outsourced overseas.

  9. GLBT equality morally defective? Oh, where was all the noise, the strident objections, the finger-pointing, when young children where having their innocence ripped from them in a morally defective way? Where were the warnings to governments then?

  10. The Roman Catholic Church has made (and continues to make) a lucrative living off the back of uninformed, ignorant and superstitious people. It is a dressed-up protection racket that threatens (imaginary) eternal torture, while offering (imaginary) protection to the gullible. It has no moral authority whatsoever. Fortunately, more and more people are begining to realise this. Its shameless posturing is fooling fewer and fewer people these days, and this is a very encouraging development.

  11. what was he warning exactly? sounded like one of those gentle threats that you’d take really seriously if it was delivered on your front door by a big bloke in a crombie flanked by henchmen but when delivered by a grown man in a wizard outfit comes across as just a little ridiculous

  12. I know it’s been said before, but why should a modern elected government take into account the opinions of a self appointed authoritarian organisation on any political matter,especially when these orders are coming from somewhere in Italy.
    And,these ideas they are trying to enforce are definitely coming from the top.
    They also fail to realise that a large number of the clergy are actually gay,
    and a lot of them became priests because of the shame that was indoctrinated
    into them at a young age for that very reason,and maybe it’s the churches new hardline approach
    on undoing the child rape scandal that they’ve plunged themselves into over the last few years,
    and the popes involvement in covering it up.
    That book they get their bolloxology from is, as we here know, highly immoral in many places,
    and many of the ideas in it have been proved blatantly wrong for the wellbeing of humanity.
    So,why can’t they just take it on “faith” that they might be wrong ?
    They take everything else on it.
    Also, it’s hard to stomach these rulings coming from a bunch of celibates,probably the most unqualified people to be listening to on these matters.
    ok,that’s my tuppence worth…

  13. In reply to #10 by Katy Cordeth:

    So many negative comments on this thread about Catholic opposition to homosexuality. Why are you trying to take this away from them? It’s so mean. Don’t you know the only thing the Catholic Church has left in the Western world, the one thing that gives them a smidgen of relevance, is the issue of gay rights? (well, maybe abortion too)The RCC is one of the largest and wealthiest multinationals in the world, but unlike all the others, it doesn’t actually have a product to sell anymore. It doesn’t have a burger joint or Roman Catholic Coffee Shop (“ask about our Holy Communion biscotti”) on every street corner. It doesn’t sell gaming devices or cell phones.The Church has lost its grip on the West – nobody believes in Hell anymore, the majority of practicing Catholics use contraception against the Church’s teachings, the endless child abuse scandals have revealed the upper echelon as the scoundrels they are. The gay marriage issue is the only thing stopping Benedict and his whole cadre from cutting their losses, packing their bags and moving the whole operation someplace where the natives are a little more gullible and manipulable. Probably Africa. I do genuinely think that the next pope or next but one will be of African descent.People mistakenly think the RCC and Pope Benedict hate gay people. This couldn’t be further from the truth. Ratzinger was by most accounts quite liberal in his youth (after his Tomorrow Belongs To Me days, presumably). All the speculation about whether he himself is homosexual or a pederast is exactly that: speculation. What he does seem to be is a pragmatist; someone who recognises that marriage equality and all the LGBT rights stuff is a gift from God to the Holy See. The only time you ever see one of these guys on the news is when it’s an item about gay marriage.So the next time someone like Archbishop Conti makes one of these tedious pronouncements, don’t fly straight to your computer screen and immediately condemn him. Show a little Christian compassion and remember that he’s doing it so his job won’t get outsourced overseas.

    A few years ago when the number of people applying to my school started to outstrip the number of places by a ridiculous amount my mum and step dad decided they’d have to bite the bullet and get my little sister baptised. On her visit to the priest when mum was asked why she didn’t attend church she diplomatically avoided the obvious its a load of nonsense answer and waffled about things like contraception, women priests, gay rights etc.

    Now I’m not sure whether you’re joking or not but the answer she got was pretty much as you’ve stated though crouched in far more diplomatic/religious language. The least controversial was that nobody in the west really cared whether she used contraceptives or not – it was simply a non issue here.

    More controversially the gist of the rest of what the priest said was that the RCC was growing fastest in Africa and put simply Africa was not ready for women priests or gay rights. Though he phrased it far more diplomatically what she came away with was the impression it was a cynical marketing ploy. The fact that in bowing to that culture they then reinforced it and perpetuated it didn’t seem to be an issue.

    He also said something along the lines of the church was getting to a point where it would have to consider whether it looked to the pink pound or Africa – I guess Africa won. Now I suspect there are some awful real homophobes in the church hierachy but I also suspect the RCC is more of a business than people think. Strangely enough this newish/youngish very ambitious priest didn’t stay long. He seemed to be set for greater things and was fast tracked from a small parish to the heart of policy decisions in Rome.

    I also think this is another nail in their coffin in the West – so I don’t think they liked having to make definitive statements about it. You can put a lack of homophobic feeling and a not that bothered whether gay people get married or not alongside not caring about hell, divorce or contraception for most catholics in the Western world. I think the RCC is becoming a very schizophrenic church these days – having to span so many cultures.

  14. In reply to #10 by Katy Cordeth:

    So many negative comments on this thread about Catholic opposition to homosexuality. Why are you trying to take this away from them? It’s so mean. Don’t you know the only thing the Catholic Church has left in the Western world, the one thing that gives them a smidgen of relevance, is the issue of gay rights? (well, maybe abortion too)The RCC is one of the largest and wealthiest multinationals in the world, but unlike all the others, it doesn’t actually have a product to sell anymore. It doesn’t have a burger joint or Roman Catholic Coffee Shop (“ask about our Holy Communion biscotti”) on every street corner. It doesn’t sell gaming devices or cell phones.The Church has lost its grip on the West – nobody believes in Hell anymore, the majority of practicing Catholics use contraception against the Church’s teachings, the endless child abuse scandals have revealed the upper echelon as the scoundrels they are. The gay marriage issue is the only thing stopping Benedict and his whole cadre from cutting their losses, packing their bags and moving the whole operation someplace where the natives are a little more gullible and manipulable. Probably Africa. I do genuinely think that the next pope or next but one will be of African descent.People mistakenly think the RCC and Pope Benedict hate gay people. This couldn’t be further from the truth. Ratzinger was by most accounts quite liberal in his youth (after his Tomorrow Belongs To Me days, presumably). All the speculation about whether he himself is homosexual or a pederast is exactly that: speculation. What he does seem to be is a pragmatist; someone who recognises that marriage equality and all the LGBT rights stuff is a gift from God to the Holy See. The only time you ever see one of these guys on the news is when it’s an item about gay marriage.So the next time someone like Archbishop Conti makes one of these tedious pronouncements, don’t fly straight to your computer screen and immediately condemn him. Show a little Christian compassion and remember that he’s doing it so his job won’t get outsourced overseas.

    I like your take on this, as well as your more accurate use of the word pederast as opposed to paedophile.

    Pedantic, I know, but in the strict sense of the word a paedophile loves children, and a pederast is an adult who has sex with them.

    S G

  15. Usually a warning carries with some sort of threat of something worse about to happen. What will the Archbishop do once the Scottish Parliament passes the legislation, which it surely will? He can’t excommunicate most of the MSPs, maybe he could just send the First Minster a rotting haggis in a paper bag? Or maybe he could throw the rattle out of the pram?

    No doubt serious theological thought is required by the Archbishop. Maybe he should send for the Vatican’s Ghostbuster Squad and release a few demons upon the MSPs to make them see sense?

  16. I submitted the article and haven’t even commented on it myself (one of those extremely busy days when you’re meeting yourself coming back)), and I am not about to do it now since everyone covered it most comprehensively already for which I am very grateful. What a great-thinking crowd you all are, it’s a joy to see such articulate, funny but especially rational views after reading the bigoted and hateful twaddle of the Archbishop & Co.

  17. I see former Defence Secretary Liam Fox has brought his powerful intellect to bear on the discussion. Saying the proposal will treat the two sorts of Church differently, he comments:
    “To fail to understand this is to risk an affront to a large stabilising and normally acquiescent section of this country which will sow completely unnecessary seeds of dissent.”
    THAT’S what our masters want us to be – “acquiescent.”

    There’s a surprise!

  18. Paedophile / Pederast / Pedant / Podiatrist etc
    Shall we just say child fucker to avoid confusion?

    In reply to #20 by Stafford Gordon:

    In reply to #10 by Katy Cordeth:

    So many negative comments on this thread about Catholic opposition to homosexuality. Why are you trying to take this away from them? It’s so mean. Don’t you know the only thing the Catholic Church has left in the Western world, the one thing that gives them a smidgen of relevance, is the issue of gay rights? (well, maybe abortion too)The RCC is one of the largest and wealthiest multinationals in the world, but unlike all the others, it doesn’t actually have a product to sell anymore. It doesn’t have a burger joint or Roman Catholic Coffee Shop (“ask about our Holy Communion biscotti”) on every street corner. It doesn’t sell gaming devices or cell phones.The Church has lost its grip on the West – nobody believes in Hell anymore, the majority of practicing Catholics use contraception against the Church’s teachings, the endless child abuse scandals have revealed the upper echelon as the scoundrels they are. The gay marriage issue is the only thing stopping Benedict and his whole cadre from cutting their losses, packing their bags and moving the whole operation someplace where the natives are a little more gullible and manipulable. Probably Africa. I do genuinely think that the next pope or next but one will be of African descent.People mistakenly think the RCC and Pope Benedict hate gay people. This couldn’t be further from the truth. Ratzinger was by most accounts quite liberal in his youth (after his Tomorrow Belongs To Me days, presumably). All the speculation about whether he himself is homosexual or a pederast is exactly that: speculation. What he does seem to be is a pragmatist; someone who recognises that marriage equality and all the LGBT rights stuff is a gift from God to the Holy See. The only time you ever see one of these guys on the news is when it’s an item about gay marriage.So the next time someone like Archbishop Conti makes one of these tedious pronouncements, don’t fly straight to your computer screen and immediately condemn him. Show a little Christian compassion and remember that he’s doing it so his job won’t get outsourced overseas.

    I like your take on this, as well as your more accurate use of the word pederast as opposed to paedophile.

    Pedantic, I know, but in the strict sense of the word a paedophile loves children, and a pederast is an adult who has sex with them.

    S G

  19. “the Catholic Church’s opposition [to gay marriage] must surely be worthy of consideration given its task to promote the moral well-being of society” ?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!
    Does Conti mean that child sex abuse, slave labour in Irish Roman Catholic Church run laundries, financial scandals in the Vatican Bank, promoting AIDS in Africa, selling babies in Spain to well off families, etc, etc, is promoting the moral well-being of society??? The RCC can’t even promote morality in its own midst and pretends to do so in the rest of the world, they can’t even spell the word morality. The RCC and their clerics are a pain in the arse and is about time people tell them so.

  20. The catholic church in Scotland declares same-sex marriage morally defective, the catholic church being the expert on defective morals it being the most bankrupt morally in Britain if not the whole world.

  21. @OP … namely to attempt through the law, by equating homosexual unions with heterosexual marriage, to render moral what is in itself morally defective.”

    Perhaps a tad hypocritical for the morally defective RCC of paedophile-cover-up fame, to be lecturing on moral deficiencies – as if they had any competence in that subject!!!

    He went on to say that the Catholic Church’s opposition must “surely be worthy of consideration” given its task to “promote the moral well-being of society”.

    Ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha!

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