47 COMMENTS

  1. Unravelling the United States? Bring it on! (Which I think is what Peter meant to say!). A little bit of civil war might actually make the trigger-happy part of the population extinct, if they can (with a bit of luck) battle it out amongst themselves without too much collateral damage. I always knew they couldn’t handle independence!

  2. Last I heard, this moron Staver was practicing law in the Orlando area where I live. Unfortunately he is, to the shame of us all, a member of the Florida Bar.

    My apologies to the world.

    JHJ

  3. These jokers convenienty ignore other biblical commandments, such as stoning adulterers to death, for example. Religious bigots are transparently dishonest, cherry-picking the texts that suit their own predjudices while turning a blind eye to others.

  4. Is there no limit to the arrogance of the evangelicals? It’s incredible how smoothly they turn the meaning of words, concepts and ideas upside down to serve their own evil purposes. War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.

    Americans, you have some insanely delusional, deeply disturbed people amidst you. And they are running their asylums.

  5. They’re getting desperate.

    Given the large number of Americans who call themselves religious, and who support gay marriage, and the fact that many religious people are not fundamenists, and that many who are both are religious, attend church, and vote for issues that church leaders disapprove of …

    The idea that there will be civil war is laughable.

    There might, however, be an increase in home-grown terrorism.

    Peace.

  6. i wonder how he sees it. north versus south? blue versus red? in closet versus out closet? and, in an eventual victory for the like of him, what would they do without the pink dollar? he’s an obvious scare monger whose childhood development fossilised at the story of “henny penny” and the sky falling in.

  7. ‘Significant prayer’ Well, there’s an excellent example of an oxymoron. Or just a moron. Hopefully all they will do is pray because what they are essentially saying is not ‘This could start a war’ but ‘we could start a war.’ Just been arguing with someone who says they are one of many people who would initiate a civil war if firearms restrictions are put in place. America scares me sometimes.

  8. They are worried about men in black robes making a decision based upon fact, reason, and human dignity while many of them rely on men in robes making decision based upon faith, cultural traditions, and assumed superiority and dominance.

  9. The thing that strikes me most about this exchange of stupidities is the sheer uncritical parochialism of the two speakers. They start off on their bizarre rant about wars and civil unrest and the “unraveling of the United States” without stopping to realise that marriage equality has been established for nearly a decade in many other countries across the world, and the result has been… well, a lot more happy gay people and that’s about it. One of them is a lawyer, the other a radio host, and neither even seems to give a thought to the examples of the Netherlands, Canada, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Denmark or even the few states in their own country where equal marriage exists. I might have expected such a response from politically illiterate subsistence farmers, but people in professional jobs involving the public… how does the US put up with such fatuous idiots in its midst?

  10. BTW, in case any of you missed the connection. Staver is dean of Liberty Univsersity’s “School of Law.” You may remember that Liberty was the object of the derision of RD when he spoke at Lynchburg, VA at Randolph-Macon. This is the “university” that has 4,000 year old dinosaur fossils. It is also the lowest rated university in the U.S.

    Find RD’s send up of Liberty in the archives if you have not already seen it.

    I have a little personal experience with this as I know a young man who paid a lot of money to get a PhD from Liberty in Bible Studies. Sad, but true.

  11. The American Terrorist. Not long now. This will be a bloody mess. Believing life gets better after death makes killing so much easier for the religious. They’ll be brutal. The ratings will be good. News channels will love it.

  12. In reply to #15 by JHJEFFERY:

    BTW, in case any of you missed the connection. Staver is dean of Liberty Univsersity’s “School of Law.” You may remember that Liberty was the object of the derision of RD when he spoke at Lynchburg, VA at Randolph-Macon. This is the “university” that has 4,000 year old dinosaur fossils. It is also the lowest rated university in the U.S.
    Thought I’d look up the ranking in Forbes. It’s ranked as #584 overall. Don’t know how low Forbes goes, but I guess this must be close to the bottom ?
    Find RD’s send up of Liberty in the archives if you have not already seen it.

    I have a little personal experience with this as I know a young man who paid a lot of money to get a PhD from Liberty in Bible Studies. Sad, but true.

  13. I still do not know what form this crumbling of society would take. These people just repeat generic rhetoric with no substance or definite examples of moral collapse. Maybe because there would not be any?

    All that would happen is same sex marriages would gain the same and long overdue level of respect as traditional marriage.

  14. Sure let’s have a biblical version of marriage, where women are used as shields to protect us from would be rapists, polygamy, concubines, where rape victims are required to be married to their rapists, where women cannot refuse to withhold sex. Without all of this America will be torn apart.

    They spend quite a bit of time talking about the lack of validity of the Supreme Court to make this decision, so can we assume if they win they will reject the court findings?

  15. In reply to #2 by Dave1949:

    It was simply meant as a macho taunt. Sadly, I also doubt they actually have anything to bring. Picture Dirty Harry pointing his .44 Magnum and grumbling through clenched teeth:

    “Go ahead, make my day”

  16. A war? You mean the same kind that has happened in every other country that has legalized gay marriage?
    If this US Civil War 2 that Staver is warning us about mirrored the issues of the first Civil War, Staver would be on the side that is against the freedom of slaves.

    It’s hard to understand how someone can be so blind to facts. He is really making a complete mess out of big words that he doesn’t seem to understand himself.

  17. ….And just like in the Civil war, there was a “right” side fighting for the equality of all human beings and a “wrong” side interested in hate and condemnation. Guess which side is which, Mr. Staver????

  18. “Gay marriage will cause a war”. You can just about hear what he’s really thinking: “…and them uppity women who think they can have sex just whenever without payin’ for it, and who think they’s entitled to equal pay and who open their mouths at all without asking. Them women what think they’s too good to cook and clean an’ take care of kids an’ run us men out a cold beer when we’re watchin’ the game…them too! And them Sons of Ham who ain’t content with their place. And libruls. Them so-called progressives. Them abortionists and all them eggheads what says we come from monkeys….Straight from Satan’s bunghole, all of ‘em! All y’all know we all fought us a war already to keep things the way they should be in a decent, God-fearin’ country – womens in the kitchen or faintin’ on the porch, dark-skinned folks in the fields, everybody in church on Sunday – and white men (God’s own special creation) in charge!”

    Yes, we did fight a war more than 150 years ago against people just like this who wanted to secede in order to preserve the privileged lifestyle they built on the backs of slaves. Although we succeeded in preserving the Union and freeing the slaves, attitudes were not changed, and a grudge was born that has lasted for more than a century and a half. The virulent, Bible-based racism, bigotry, and hatred of change just deepened and broadened to include not only African-Americans, but gays, feminists, scientists…just about anybody and everybody outside the South’s pasty-white, inbred Bible bubble who reminds them of that lost war.

    It’s indeed been lost, Mr. Staver. It’s over. Change has happened, and will keep on happening. People like you are just a little slow on the uptake, aren’t you?

  19. Geoff,

    I think there are several indices, but I can’t remember the one I saw Liberty place last in. It would be no surprise, the young man who got his PhD from there flunked out of two undergraduate colleges. I don’t think he ever had to go to Lynchburg–all computer stuff. See Msloane’s comment 19.

    I’m pretty sure there is no government official ranking, though.

    JHJ

    In reply to #30 by Geoff 21:

    *In reply to #15 by JHJEFFERY:
    “It is also the lowest rated university in the U.S.”

    By what authority? I thought there was no recognised index, however sorely needed that might be.

  20. In reply to #33 by JHJEFFERY:

    Thanks JH,

    I missed that reference. I’d be surprised if there were a government official ranking; possibly too embarrassing to the Senate & H of R’s (and the rest).

    Liberty – A university which will admit anyone who can make their mark with a cross.

  21. I don’t know about all states or the federal government, but my state ranks its colleges and universities by the percentages of students who actually graduate in each degree field, GRE scores, and the percentage of graduates who pass state licensing exams in fields where it’s required. There’s a handy government website that lists the state rankings in these categories, and it helps prospective students decide where to go to get the best education and have better job prospects. I think that pass/fail rates and scores on post graduate exams like the GRE and state licensing boards provide the only real measure of the quality of education provided at US colleges and universities. I don’t know where Liberty stands, but I’d be willing to bet that it wouldn’t fare well, especially in science or engineering, by these criteria.
    In reply to #33 by JHJEFFERY:

    Geoff,

    I think there are several indices, but I can’t remember the one I saw Liberty place last in. It would be no surprise, the young man who got his PhD from there flunked out of two undergraduate colleges. I don’t think he ever had to go to Lynchburg–all computer stuff. See Msloane’s comment 19.

    I’m pretty sure there is no government official ranking, though.

    JHJ

    In reply to #30 by Geoff 21:

    *In reply to #15 by JHJEFFERY:
    “It is also the lowest rated university in the U.S.”

    By what authority? I thought there was no recognised index, however sorely needed that might be.

  22. I have seen colleges ranked when they are talking about the top colleges. I do not remember seeing a list of crappy colleges or even a list of all colleges ranked. I taught a young lady last year who ended up going to Liberty. She is a great kid and a devout believer.

    When I teach Advanced Biology, I allude to evolution very very frequently. This young lady put a check mark in her note book every time I said evolution. I did not know she was doing it. At the end of our school year, she counted up the number of checks. It was well over 1000!!!

    Anyway, I added up all the minutes we met as a class and divided by the number of times I mentioned evolution. It turns out that I talk about evolution every 5 minutes!!! So, we had t shirts made up that said “AP BIOLOGY…….evolution every 5 minutes”

    She did not order a shirt because she would be forbidden from wearing it at her “Liberty” University. So much for their name.

  23. These people can work themselves into a real lather imagining the horrendous implications of their unfounded assumptions, but present them with something truly worth worrying about –like global warming –and they make every effort to suppress and discredit the facts.

  24. Wow! I knew religious types were a bit fanatical but, to go to war over who can or cannot marry one another is about as ludicrous as any fairy tale imaginable. This guy must be the product of a virgin and a jackass and yet he can’t condone mixed marriage. Hypocrite!

    It would be sheer HEAVEN to finally witness religion vanish from the human psyche. It’s time we moved on from Santa and took responsibility for the world we live in and not the non existent spiritual world of religious fantasy.

  25. Interview with Mat Staver, dean of Liberty University’s School of Law.

    “Liberty University” takes pride in taking liberties with scientific facts and theories in the name of god-did-it!

    Liberty University’s School of Law.

    Scientific laws -not included in it’s curriculum! (Or was that curricu-dumb!)

    (Last I heard they were unsuccessfully trying to recruit some reputable biologists to teach cretinism! – Perhaps they should concentrate on their theology courses!)

  26. The church claims the right of freedom in any instance and is never tired to mention. One of countless contradictions within the cleric is their bigot interpretation of righteousness. Listening to this tape it is almost impossible to distinguish their judgement on who is worth and who is not, from the thinktank of Nazis henchmen trapped in their dangerous treadmill, still driven by hate and blood. Shame on them!

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