Ken Ham Thinks Pat Robertson Is Hurting Christianity

36

Ken Ham has taken to the blogosphere fretting that The Atheists are going after the children. (Please! Won’t someone think of the children?! *clutches pearls*)

In recent weeks I’ve been writing blogs and Facebook posts about a new atheist website that is targeting children. Interestingly, the launch of a new anti-God website that’s seeking to capture kids for atheism coincided with the release of AiG’s new ministry theme for the next two years: “Standing Our Ground, Rescuing Our Kids” (Galatians 1:4).

As a former child myself, I am vaguely offended by the term “capture.” I mean, the “atheist site” (which launched back in November) isn’t playing Hungry Hungry Hippos with kids. It’s just presenting some ideas about science and morality without a religious slant. If I remember correctly, and I’m pretty sure I do, it is certain church groups that are physically kidnapping kids.

Anyway, Ham thinks The Atheists are ruining the pure little children! What else is new?

Oh, yeah. He thinks that fellow knob weasel Pat Robertson is also destroying kids’ souls. Which is probably the first time the 700 Club host and I have ever been lumped into the same category about anything.

Ham takes issue with Robertson over the age of the earth because a woman once emailed Robertson for advice when her kids started to ask how the age of dinosaurs was compatible with the Bible’s assertion of an Earth that’s only a few thousand years old.

Written By: Jessica Bluemke
continue to source article at patheos.com

36 COMMENTS

  1. Ken Ham is an idiot. Unfortunately he is Australian (not a reflection of the rest of us Ausssies!), but fortunately he could get nowhere in Australia with his idiocy and went to USA, where they welcomed him with open arms, and the other Australasian idiot from New Zealand, Ray Comfort.

    USA, you can keep them both!

  2. I prefer Ray over Ken Ham. Ham comes across as an arrogant arsehole whereas Comfort is like a genial, friendly non threatening idiot.

    I must say I was rather surprised by Robertson’s answer. I assumed he’d be a young earther although I think I know what he means by “real science” …… anything other than evolution via natural selection.

  3. It should be stressed the radiometric methods which you use to date dinosaurs aren’t based on carbon; its half-life is much too short. It should also be stressed that, while there are dozens of radiometric clocks, with at least 5 having to agree on an age for scientists to quote it, creationists only ever whinge about the possible problems with the carbon example, which never proves ages they dislike anyway (except perhaps with the Turin Shroud). Of course, every measuring method can be misused; carbon dating is especially problematic by radiometric standards. So no wonder they pick up on it.

  4. Ken Ham Thinks Pat Robertson Is Hurting Christianity

    Thinking really is not one of Ham’s attributes. Mental fumbling would be a better description!

    Robertson is wrong about carbon being the isotope used for dating Dinosaur fossils, but the idea of YEC Ham-6,000 correcting him about his multi-million year mistake is comical!

  5. In reply to #2 by squeegee:

    I prefer Ray over Ken Ham. Ham comes across as an arrogant arsehole whereas Comfort is like a genial, friendly non threatening idiot.

    Choosing between Ken Ham and Ray Comfort is a bit like trying to decide whether one would prefer to drink a bucket of mucus or a bucket of bile. However you choose, the outcome sucks.

  6. In reply to #4 by Alan4discussion:

    Ken Ham Thinks Pat Robertson Is Hurting ChristianityThinking really is not one of Ham’s attributes. Mental fumbling would be a better description!Robertson is wrong about carbon being the isotope used for dating Dinosaur fossils, but the idea of YEC Ham-6,000 correcting him about his multi-million year mistake is comical!

    I think making money is Hams main attribute and goal in life. Pat Robertson is in danger of hurting Ken Hams bank balance more like!

  7. While I appreciate the aim of the kidswithoutgod site, I think I’d prefer one which doesn’t need to invoke god at all, even in the negative. A site which promotes problem solving and rational thinking for its own sake with interesting content would do enough to inoculate kids.

  8. In reply to #6 by atheistengineer:

    In reply to #4 by Alan4discussion:

    I think making money is Hams main attribute and goal in life. Pat Robertson is in danger of hurting Ken Hams bank balance more like!

    Yes, there are some rumours circulating about what happened before he left Australia that would support that if true.

    I heard a little atoms podcast with another Australian Geologist working with Ken Ham. They are trying to explain away how all the animals could fit on the Ark by using what they call Macro evolution. That is God commanded “kinds” to enter the ark so there didn’t need to be two of every species. If he’d just had Noah put a single bacteria in a flask he could started it off again with an even smaller boat.

  9. Does Ken Ham not understand that “going after the children” is something religions have always done (and I’m not talking in a sexual sense like certain RCC priests) as they know they have to get their indoctrination in early before children develop the mental equipment to ask probing questions.

    I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised he is a hypocrite as well as a fool.

    On the other hand, I would like to thank him. His public statements and especially his ‘museum’ expose just how ridiculous his religion is, and advance the cause of atheism more than almost anything we do ourselves.

  10. Actually, I like the Kids Without god site for the fact that it treats skeptical kids with a good degree of respect in that it recognizes they know the world they live in – their immediate environment of school and home and activiites etc. – is screwed up by a very particular thing, relgion and they need the tools to fight it or at least hold out until they can leave it. They handle the issue really well.

    In reply to #7 by locka:

    While I appreciate the aim of the kidswithoutgod site, I think I’d prefer one which doesn’t need to invoke god at all, even in the negative. A site which promotes problem solving and rational thinking for its own sake with interesting content would do enough to inoculate kids.

  11. This idea of ruining the kids is clearly not seeing the big picture. If there wasn’t an irrational view of religion parents would simply raise their children with simple basic moral principles and that would be that. I think there are good educated and aware parents and parents with good intentions that go wayward because they are not seeing that they have an agenda. This is true for the religious and atheists.

    Regarding a comment from the article’s origin— “the novelty of his remarkably stupid “museum” is wearing off, and more and more people aren’t Buying it.” I had a face palm the other day. Someone rightfully made me aware of my “southern” slamming and told me this stuff was going on in my own backyard. http://creationmuseums.com/ Ugh! the shame. I feel so little and defeated. One’s here near me, Oh, the pain.

  12. I just asked my students if cars are alive. They answered “NO”. (Ken would not know)

    But, do cars have attributes in common with living things?? “Yes”. (Ken would not know)

    We listed them… they are “born”, they “die”, they move, they signal one another, they take in fuel and give off waste, they generate heat, they have these other “satellite” organisms that service them and take care of them…. From outer space, an “alien” might mistake them for the Earth’s primary living thing. (Ken would not know)

    They, however do not reproduce, are not made of cells, and do not contain DNA. (Ken would not know)

    We than talked about the illusion of design and arrived at the notion that : “the hallmark of something designed is assembly. The hallmark of something that is not designed is SELF assembly.” (Ken would not know BUT here is where he’d insert himself and make a fool of himself).

    He has done it consistently through the past so many years. He has also garnered the support of other people who are ignorant of the world around them. So many people look at a structure and see it as exquisitely matched to it’s function and arrive at the (erroneous) conclusion that “it MUST have been designed”. Here is where all thought stops and they go out into the world with their error and wreak havoc.

    Design is an illusion. So is Ken Ham.

  13. Hammy loves having a go at anyone who debunks Young Earth, and has had a go at Robertson before. http://www.richarddawkins.net/news-articles/2012/12/1/ken-ham-of-creation-museum-slams-robertson-for-dismissing-young-earth-theory?category=Religion#

    @OP Ken Ham has taken to the blogosphere fretting that The Atheists are going after the children.

    Poor old Hammy – Like Eric Hovind -
    He just can’t stand the idea of being mentally out-classed by kids who study science, and can recognise his obsolete, fossilised, goat-herder, thinking!

    (‘eere ther be dragons – oooo scary, – where’s my “creation-castle” magic wizard guardian?!!)

    It should not upset him too much, because he is not bright enough to know when he has been out-classed!

  14. Masterfully put, C.S.!!!! One of your succinct best, if not indeed your best post ever!!!!! Such an interesting tag moniker from such a “straight shooter”!!!! My kudos!!!! Your comments about design deserve mention somewhere on page 1 of chapter 1 of EVERY BIOLOGY TEXT REMAINING TO BE WRITTEN. PERIOD.

    Forgive me a bit for effusively piling on, but Ham is even worse than an illusion, he’s a “severely deluded illusion”.

    You were far too generous!!!! The figurative truck of what I would tab “Bioreality” is currently in the process
    of FLATTENING Ham and his ilk. And if they persist, we’ll continue to back up the truck as many times as
    necessary to finish the job.

    How long before a National simplified grade school level electronic life science text makes its way into what will undoubtedly become Nationally approved and required subject material for every child in our country???

    In the immortal words of Dr. Martin Luther King, “not long.”

    My oh my, how’re those Christian “Good News Clubs” going to compete then???? Seed their youngsters minds with the RIGHT stuff early, and watch how their local moronic Chapters quickly burn up, emitting a figurative crackling sound not unlike that of a proverbial ant under a magnifying glass.

    Best regards,—I envy your lucky students!!!!!!

    The Kid

    In reply to #15 by crookedshoes:

    I just asked my students if cars are alive. They answered “NO”. (Ken would not know)

    But, do cars have attributes in common with living things?? “Yes”. (Ken would not know)

    We listed them… they are “born”, they “die”, they move, they signal one another, they take in fuel and give off waste, they generate heat, they have these other “satellite” organisms that service them and take care of them…. From outer space, an “alien” might mistake them for the Earth’s primary living thing. (Ken would not know)

    They, however do not reproduce, are not made of cells, and do not contain DNA. (Ken would not know)

    We than talked about the illusion of design and arrived at the notion that : “the hallmark of something designed is assembly. The hallmark of something that is not designed is SELF assembly.” (Ken would not know BUT here is where he’d insert himself and make a fool of himself).

    He has done it consistently through the past so many years. He has also garnered the support of other people who are ignorant of the world around them. So many people look at a structure and see it as exquisitely matched to it’s function and arrive at the (erroneous) conclusion that “it MUST have been designed”. Here is where all thought stops and they go out into the world with their error and wreak havoc.

    Design is an illusion. So is Ken Ham.

  15. In reply to #14 by QuestioningKat:

    Regarding a comment from the article’s origin— “the novelty of his remarkably stupid “museum” is wearing off, and more and more people aren’t Buying it.” I had a face palm the other day. Someone rightfully made me aware of my “southern” slamming and told me this stuff was going on in my own backyard. http://creationmuseums.com/ Ugh! the shame. I feel so little and defeated. One’s here near me, Oh, the pain.

    There is one near me in Alberta which is about a half hour away from one of the largest natural history museums in the world. I want to go to both of them in the same day to exacerbate the stupidity of the 900 square foot creation museum. I still can’t decide which to go to first, probably the creation one so that the day doesn’t seem like a huge waste of time in the end.

  16. Thanks for the kind words!

    This illusion of design is rampant and easy to be duped by. The crime is not in being fooled by the illusion. The crime is either ceasing to think once you are convinced by the illusion or not letting go of the illusion when it has been clearly shown to be as such.

    I intentionally include optical illusions and even auditory illusions in many of my opening of the year lessons. I get the students to realize that they really cannot rely solely on their eyes or ears to tell the truth about the world. We talk about bias and fallacy and weave in there a healthy dose of fun and illusions. Hopefully, when all is said and done the students have their awareness raised and are better equipped to go on to the next level of their academic careers.

    In reply to #18 by kidchicago:

    Masterfully put, C.S.!!!! One of your succinct best, if not indeed your best post ever!!!!! Such an interesting tag moniker from such a “straight shooter”!!!! My kudos!!!! Your comments about design deserve mention somewhere on page 1 of chapter 1 of EVERY BIOLOGY TEXT REMAINING TO BE WRITTEN. PERIOD.

    Forgive me a bit for effusively piling on, but Ham is even worse than an illusion, he’s a “severely deluded illusion”.

    You were far too generous!!!! The figurative truck of what I would tab “Bioreality” is currently in the process
    of FLATTENING Ham and his ilk. And if they persist, we’ll continue to back up the truck as many times as
    necessary to finish the job.

    How long before a National simplified grade school level electronic life science text makes its way into what will undoubtedly become Nationally approved and required subject material for every child in our country???

    In the immortal words of Dr. Martin Luther King, “not long.”

    My oh my, how’re those Christian “Good News Clubs” going to compete then???? Seed their youngsters minds with the RIGHT stuff early, and watch how their local moronic Chapters quickly burn up, emitting a figurative crackling sound not unlike that of a proverbial ant under a magnifying glass.

    Best regards,—I envy your lucky students!!!!!!

    The Kid

    In reply to #15 by crookedshoes:

    I just asked my students if cars are alive. They answered “NO”. (Ken would not know)

    But, do cars have attributes in common with living things?? “Yes”. (Ken would not know)

    We listed them… they are “born”, they “die”, they move, they signal one another, they take in fuel and give off waste, they generate heat, they have these other “satellite” organisms that service them and take care of them…. From outer space, an “alien” might mistake them for the Earth’s primary living thing. (Ken would not know)

    They, however do not reproduce, are not made of cells, and do not contain DNA. (Ken would not know)

    We than talked about the illusion of design and arrived at the notion that : “the hallmark of something designed is assembly. The hallmark of something that is not designed is SELF assembly.” (Ken would not know BUT here is where he’d insert himself and make a fool of himself).

    He has done it consistently through the past so many years. He has also garnered the support of other people who are ignorant of the world around them. So many people look at a structure and see it as exquisitely matched to it’s function and arrive at the (erroneous) conclusion that “it MUST have been designed”. Here is where all thought stops and they go out into the world with their error and wreak havoc.

    Design is an illusion. So is Ken Ham.

  17. Leave them to it, within religious circles this sort of thing seems to be par for the course; allow them their personal Crusades. At least these chaps won’t actually kill one another.

  18. In reply to #2 by squeegee:

    I prefer Ray Comfort over Ken Ham.

    You wouldn’t if you lived here in southern California where Comfort likes to hang out at various different piers, stand on a crate, and scream & point at people.

  19. It ought to give Ham pause that even Pat Robertson, who believes tsunamis are delivered by god to punish sin, rejects the young earth but it doesn’t. Ham is one of those apologists I’m just not sure about. Dnesh d’Sousaphone is, for example, one of those apologists I am quite certain does not actually believe a word he says. But Ham just might be that dumb.

    And CS- wish you would video and Youtube a few of those lectures.

  20. Wow, thank you for the complement!!!

    In reply to #25 by rjohn19:

    It ought to give Ham pause that even Pat Robertson, who believes tsunamis are delivered by god to punish sin, rejects the young earth but it doesn’t. Ham is one of those apologists I’m just not sure about. Dnesh d’Sousaphone is, for example, one of those apologists I am quite certain does not actually believe a word he says. But Ham just might be that dumb.

    And CS- wish you would video and Youtube a few of those lectures.

  21. I had a group of Advanced students two years ago. We had such fun with Ray and his banana that at the end of the year the kids made t-shirts. On the back was a giant banana. Underneath it was printed “Darwin you’ve met your match.” They all wore them to class on the same day. We laughed and laughed.

    In reply to #28 by bluebird:

    In reply to #24 by IDLERACER:

    where Comfort likes to hang out at various different piers, stand on a crate, and scream & point at people.

    Whilst clutching his beloved banana.

  22. In reply to #24 by IDLERACER:

    You wouldn’t if you lived here in southern California where Comfort likes to hang out at various different piers, stand on a crate, and scream & point at people.

    Ah! The nearest thing creationists can get to a “pier review”!

    “A Walk on The Pier”
    4 of 5 stars Reviewed 17 November 2012

    Went on a windy day and was great fun watching the sea splash around under the pier. Got some great photos from the pier of Blackpool. It’s free so you can spend if you want or just enjoy a stroll people watching.
    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g186332-d1872026-r145571272-Blackpool-s-Central-Pier-Blackpool-Lancashire-England.html#REVIEWS

  23. In reply to #29 by crookedshoes:

    I had a group of Advanced students two years ago. We had such fun with Ray and his banana that at the end of the year the kids made t-shirts. On the back was a giant banana. Underneath it was printed “Darwin you’ve met your match.” They all wore them to class on the same day. We laughed and laughed.

    In reply to #28 by bluebird:

    In reply to #24 by IDLERACER:

    where Comfort likes to hang out at various different piers, stand on a crate, and scream & point at people.

    Whilst clutching his beloved banana.

    lol

    In retrospect, I should of specified banana “as in the fruit”. I forget there may be lurkers not in the know ;)

    Ok, I’m a gonna make like a banana and split.

  24. We all know that Ray Comfort is a fruitcase, but is a banana a fruit? Sure we can eat them, but do they contain seeds?

    As to the heavyweight pillow fight between, in the red corner, Robertson of the Holy Ghost, and in the blue corner Ham, of the saddled dinosaur, I’m inclined to think that both are harming Christianity, much to my eternal joy !

    Halleluyah!

  25. In reply to #24 by IDLERACER:

    In reply to #2 by squeegee:

    I prefer Ray Comfort over Ken Ham.

    You wouldn’t if you lived here in southern California where Comfort likes to hang out at various different piers, stand on a crate, and scream & point at people.

    Wow- what a warrior for Christ Ray Comfort is. He often chooses such uncomfortable and inhospitable places such as piers in SoCal to deliver his “good news”, does he?
    He’s risking his life (and general comfort) to help mankind. He’s practically a martyr! :)

  26. In reply to #32 by bluebird:

    In reply to #29 by crookedshoes:

    I had a group of Advanced students two years ago. We had such fun with Ray and his banana that at the end of the year the kids made t-shirts. On the back was a giant banana. Underneath it was printed “Darwin you’ve met your match.” They all wore them to class on the same day. We laughed and laughed.

    In reply to #28 by bluebird:

    In reply to #24 by IDLERACER:

    where Comfort likes to hang out at various different piers, stand on a crate, and scream & point at people.

    Whilst clutching his beloved banana.

    In retrospect, I should of specified banana “as in the fruit”. I forget there may be lurkers not in the know ;)

    Do you think that it would upset him, and his ID, if we told him that the supermarket banana, is most likely the common variety Cavendish, an autotriploid of Musa acuminata, which is a designer cultivar produced by plant breeders?

Leave a Reply