Retired pope immune from abuse probes

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Pope Benedict’s decision to live in the Vatican after he resigns will provide him with security and privacy. It will also offer legal protection from any attempt to prosecute him in connection with sexual abuse cases around the world, Church sources and legal experts say.

“His continued presence in the Vatican is necessary, otherwise he might be defenceless. He wouldn’t have his immunity, his prerogatives, his security, if he is anywhere else,” said one Vatican official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

“It is absolutely necessary” that he stays in the Vatican, said the source, adding that Benedict should have a “dignified existence” in his remaining years.

Vatican sources said officials had three main considerations in deciding that Benedict should live in a convent in the Vatican after he resigns on February 28.

Vatican police, who already know the pope and his habits, will be able to guarantee his privacy and security and not have to entrust it to a foreign police force, which would be necessary if he moved to another country.

“I see a big problem if he would go anywhere else. I’m thinking in terms of his personal security, his safety. We don’t have a secret service that can devote huge resources (like they do) to ex-presidents,” the official said.

Another consideration was that if the pope did move permanently to another country, living in seclusion in a monastery in his native Germany, for example, the location might become a place of pilgrimage.

Written By: Philip Pullella
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45 COMMENTS

  1. @OP – “His continued presence in the Vatican is necessary, otherwise he might be defenceless. He wouldn’t have his immunity, his prerogatives, his security, if he is anywhere else,” said one Vatican official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

    Well there you are! The RCC’s deal with Mussolini to set up the Vatican State has paid dividends.

    Those nasty foreign prosecutors and courts might harass the poor fellow over the covered up crimes of his organisation and his minions! – Force him to give evidence? – Convict him even!

    Did they say if he was joining the priests in the Vatican who are paedophile asylum seekers, or the nuns who organised slave labour?

  2. Something really stinks here. This institution dripping in vilness, will never change. I normally couldn’t care less about religion, however the RCC is still very powerful and that worries me.

  3. He was not indicted for his part in the L.A. archdiocese crimes because the State Department intervened and ruled that as a “Head of State” (as if) he could not be indicted. Now, the Vatican can refuse to hand him over for trial, but there is nothing stopping indictments, which should now be filed, if for no other reason, the victims deserve to have their side submitted to historical record.

  4. At least when he was the Pope the excuse for him being off limits was he was a Head of State. Now he’s not even that. Now they don’t have an excuse; they’re doing the equivalent of letting him hide in an embassy. Is there no way around it?

  5. In reply to #7 by Quine:

    He was not indicted for his part in the L.A. archdiocese crimes because the State Department intervened and ruled that as a “Head of State” (as if) he could not be indicted. Now, the Vatican can refuse to hand him over for trial, but there is nothing stopping indictments, which should now be filed, if for no other reason, the victims deserve to have their side submitted to historical record.

    Thing is i totally agree but the vatican is a mullti-billion monetary organisation, with a boatload of very well paid legal representatives to deal with these exact occurences. Its nigh impossible to get true justice for all the atrocities they have been party to.

  6. In reply to #9 by Chico2004:

    Thing is i totally agree but the vatican is a mullti-billion monetary organisation, with a boatload of very well paid legal representatives to deal with these exact occurences. Its nigh impossible to get true justice for all the atrocities they have been party to.

    If they start spending money on lawyers, many will point out to the sheeples where their “charity” contributions are going!

    It should also give the press some “controversies” to debate!

  7. In reply to #10 by Alan4discussion:

    In reply to #9 by Chico2004:

    Thing is i totally agree but the vatican is a mullti-billion monetary organisation, with a boatload of very well paid legal representatives to deal with these exact occurences. Its nigh impossible to get true justice for all the atrocities they have been party to.

    If they start spending money on lawyers, many will point out to the sheeples where their “charity” contributions are going!

    It should also give the press some “controversies” to debate!

    Very true indeed. I have to say though, when it comes to the mainstream media, i am very hard pushed to believe anything. Even when the media do use real journalistic skills and provide evidence of wrongdoing when it comes to the RCC, the majority of believers are incapable of thinking outside the dogma and fear of hell. I really feel sorry for them. The church has done a great job on them.

  8. In reply to #7 by Quine:

    Now, the Vatican can refuse to hand him over for trial, but there is nothing stopping indictments, which should now be filed, if for no other reason, the victims deserve to have their side submitted to historical record.

    “The 1929 Lateran Pacts between Italy and the Holy See, which established Vatican City as a sovereign state, said Vatican City would be’”invariably and in every event considered as neutral and inviolable territory.’”
    So as long as the new Pope doesn’t extradite him he’s safe. More RCC shame.

  9. Reading suggestion: The Case of the Pope by Geoffrey Robinson QC. He provides details of the Lateran Treaty creating the Vatican ‘state’ enabled by Mussolini in 1929.
    Ratzinger expects to say ‘I’m sorry’ once or twice and everything will be forgiven? Tell it to the judge.
    If this man expires without answering to his accusations in a civil or human rights court the world will be a darker place to live.

  10. From the article:

    “It is absolutely necessary” that he stays in the Vatican, said the source, adding that Benedict should have a “dignified existence” in his remaining years.

    Whereas the remaining years of the victims of the victims of RCC clergy abuse will continue to be undignified, and the RCC don’t give a toss, apart from how much money it will cost them. I suspect their whole protection racket is about to unwind.

  11. They are shitting themselves, because the secular day of reckoning is approaching and Benny is proved to be a coward beyond compare in any century since Paul had a brain fart.

    The chief honcho of a criminal conspiracy is running and in hiding, because that is what this situation actually is.

    A magisterium in meltdown, how times change, the fuckers are in full retreat for the first time in their history.

    A pope resigns to avoid awkward questions in the 21st century, how very quaint and utterly predictable!

    Ignominious in the end, as we you always knew you were!
    Bunch of losers without even a smidgeon of integrity.

  12. In reply to #18 by Sweetgrass:

    Reading suggestion: The Case of the Pope by Geoffrey Robinson QC. He provides details of the Lateran Treaty creating the Vatican ‘state’ enabled by Mussolini in 1929.
    Ratzinger expects to say ‘I’m sorry’ once or twice and everything will be forgiven? Tell it to the judge.
    If this man expires without answering to his accusations in a civil or human rights court the world will be a darker place to live.

    Does anyone know if Geoffrey Robertson will be commenting on Ratslinger’s supposed immunity?

  13. For a split second, my mind automatically completed the sentence before I even realized it as “immune from Aids”. Non-sequitur? Yes. But one hardly even needs to think of the wicked stuff said by the pope.

  14. “His continued presence in the Vatican is necessary, otherwise he might be defenceless. He wouldn’t have his immunity, his prerogatives, his security, if he is anywhere else,” said one Vatican official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

    I am rather surprised by this.

    Not that it’s happening, but that they’re admitting to it. (… Albeit anonymously.)

  15. If the International Criminal Court convicted Ratzinger of Crimes Against Humanity, then I’m sure it would be an easy task to surround Vatican City, cutting off water, power & supplies until he was handed over for prosecution – or smothered himself with an embroidered satin pillow….

    The World Powers don’t have much trouble prosecuting bad guys once they know which foreign state they are hiding in, so with radio-controlled mini-copters & drones it wouldn’t be difficult to target him as they did & do with other known international criminals.

    This sounds radical, but targeting & removing people was an RCC policy for centuries – and we wouldn’t torture or burn him at the stake like Cardinal Ratzinger’s Inquisition Department specialized in – until it lost power & was reduced to protecting & hiding it’s own inhumane employees….

  16. “His continued presence in the Vatican is necessary, otherwise he might be defenceless. He wouldn’t have his immunity, his prerogatives, his security, if he is anywhere else,” said one Vatican official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

    “It is absolutely necessary” that he stays in the Vatican, said the source, adding that Benedict should have a “dignified existence” in his remaining years.

    So, this is what the RCC is blatantly saying to the world: that being responsible or in any way party to crimes against members of its own church or indeed the world at large is entirely unimportant when it makes the church look bad.

    What possible reason beyond this could there be to even attempt to justify this drivel? So, the people that have been molested all over the world don’t deserve a dignified existence? The people in Africa dying because of the policies the RCC have in place are unworthy of said dignified existence?

    How could anyone be proud to extol this utter bilge?

    This is only further evidence that the church itself is what needs to be dealt with. The entire institution top to bottom. Kick them out of a few more countries, tolerate less of their insane mandates, don’t give it a pass when horrible things happen. Otherwise no one there is going to make any attempt to be accountable for their actions.

  17. No big surprise that the ‘Rat’ will do anything to avoid answering or apologising to victims of the RCC. Religion enclaves should never be granted ‘Statehood’ and I’m surprised in this modern world that this cannot be rescinded – particularly given the shady nature that ‘Statehood’ was granted to the Vatican in the first place. The Vatican is a church not a country.

  18. In reply to #27 by CdnMacAtheist:

    The World Powers don’t have much trouble prosecuting bad guys once they know which foreign state they are hiding in, so with radio-controlled mini-copters & drones it wouldn’t be difficult to target him as they did & do with other known international criminals.

    Seal teams, drone strikes, no, nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

  19. Has anyone not seen the rotting carcass of the elephant in the room?

    Fort the very first time since the scandals broke conclusively and infected everything decent over 20 odd yrs back, and on the scale it is now…

    The RCC are letting it slip in their hysterical fire and in-fighting that the poopness actually has a case to answer for.

    They are admitting publicly that it was not the late 60′s liberal malaise of slack standards, or the secular authorities not considering kiddy fiddling important enough to warrant investigation.
    It was not the lack of morality at the time, It was not the godless and sub-human atheist heathens that attempted to make the church look bad, It was not haters of the ‘bhabi jeebus’, it was not enemies of god, it was not the homosexual conspiracies hiding behind the Catholic robes of priest.

    It was not that the church was innocent, it is because it indulged in a proven criminal conspiracy to subvert the course of natural justice, It was because the present pope and the one before lied and participated in corrupt and ongoing cover up, and it was because the present pope demanded that cover up was the responsibility and duty of every bishop and cardinal in the world.

    We have the edicts where Benny specifically threatens to excommunicate anyone that blows the whistle.

    We have the evidence in spades and piles, if humanity does nothing, then we have all failed not only each other, but most of all ourselves.

    That is not so much a despicable and lamentable result, this would be a betrayal of the universe and as such we will not be worthy of assuming our right to be of that Universe, it is as simple as that, the utter shame will follow each and everyone on this planet to their death, now and for generations to come…and so it should.

  20. No Government would ever move against a sovereign state in order to bring a criminal or civil case against it’s (former) Head of State. The only way Ratzinger could face justice personally would be if he were indicted and the new Pope thought he had something to gain by offering up his predecessor. Won’t happen because it sets a precedent. So all that remains is to undermine the authority of the RCC by keeping this shame in the public forum and encouraging RCs to question their allegiance.

  21. The only statement that I take at face value in this extraordinary case is that the Pope is resigning “for the good of the Church.” The Pope may be slowing down with old age – he is eighty-five after all – and he may have to be careful of his health, but he still has full possession of his faculties. There is no need for him to resign at this time on this basis, so I find it very puzzling that so correct and inflexibly traditional an officer of the Catholic Church should take such an extraordinary step quite so prematurely. I suspect (though I cannot express myself more confidently, because the Vatican is so good at obscuring such matters) that the fall-off of lay support for the hierarchy and other official structures in the Church that has accelerated, at least in the Western world, under the retrogressive and repressive policies of this papacy and the exposure of the present pope’s part in the culture of arrogance, inaction and concealment with regard to clerical child-abuse which has brought shame upon him and upon the Catholic Church have rendered this pope a embarrassing liability to the Church and an obstacle to the mission that the Church sees as its raison d’être in the world. Either the Pope has come to realize that he is too much a cause of division within the Church and embarrassment before all the world to be able to lead the Church forward, or he has been helped by others to come to this realization. Had he not decided to abdicate of his own free will, it would not be ridiculous to wonder whether he might have been found one morning in the not very distant future, dead in bed, like his predecessor John Paul I, under circumstances suggesting ever so inconclusively (especially at his age) that his natural tendency towards death had been assisted in some small way.

  22. In reply to #32 by BigChris:

    No Government would ever move against a sovereign state in order to bring a criminal or civil case against it’s (former) Head of State.

    I think you missed these ones!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Tribunal_for_the_former_Yugoslavia

    The indictees ranged from common soldiers to generals and police commanders all the way to Prime Ministers.

    Slobodan Milošević was the first sitting head of state indicted for war crimes.[20] Other “high level” indictees included Milan Babić, former President of the Republika Srpska Krajina; Ramush Haradinaj, former Prime Minister of Kosovo; Radovan Karadžić, former President of the Republika Srpska; Ratko Mladić, former Commander of the Bosnian Serb Army and Ante Gotovina, former General of the Croatian Army.

  23. This whole exercise is simply damage limitation.This pope has been even more of a disaster from the image and revenue point of view than the Pole.The real power-brokers in this evil organisation have engineered his exit into a backroom in the castle.Here he will stay until he pegs it naturally or until they decide to give him a cup of ‘special tea’ ,as they did with the one before the pole. The new man can be praised and raised now that the past is locked away.Someone suggested nuking the whole open sore from orbit….if only!

  24. Pope Benedict’s decision to live in the Vatican after he resigns will provide him with security and privacy. It will also offer legal protection from any attempt to prosecute him in connection with sexual abuse cases around the world, Church sources and legal experts say.

    “His continued presence in the Vatican is necessary, otherwise he might be defenceless. He wouldn’t have his immunity, his prerogatives, his security, if he is anywhere else,” said one Vatican official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

    The next time someone tells me religions are harmless, I’m bringing them to this story. What better proof do you need for the idea that religion is a corrupt hangover from the dark ages? It’s a perversion of the course of justice in the face of an organized crime that has hurt so many.

    Religion. What is it good for?

  25. The fact that they are deliberatly hiding him and protecting him is proof of their self knowledge that they are a rotten, corrupt and evil organisation.

    Never mind he can still be indicted for public record and their refusal to hand him over would also be a matter of record. Some epitaph for the nazi Poop!

    Prisons come in all shapes and sizes, and he may live long enough in senile decay to suffer interminably just as catholic doctrine prescribes.

    The status given to the vatican by a warmongering dictator should not be recognised. The whole dump should be turned over from top to bottom and then bulldozed.

  26. In reply to #39 by Vorlund:

    Prisons come in all shapes and sizes, and he may live long enough in senile decay to suffer interminably just as catholic doctrine prescribes.

    Yep seems that shrivelled hearted harridan of a jeebus harlot had those quirky Jesuit ways.

    And she so believed that pain and suffering were very good for you she actually ensured her victims got more then their fair share under her auspices.

    In fact so dedicated to her doctrine she withheld medical supplies apparently and funds destined for her hell hole were diverted to other, apparently more lucrative, destinations, she only wavered once in her dogma of course when at the end of her miserable bleak bitter little existence she chose pain killing medication and 24/hr private hospital care in a modern city.
    Oh Teresa you were a wag…you really were!

  27. In reply to #1 by JHJEFFERY:

    old westerns, where outlaws go to avoid being arrested.

    With one big difference, tho. Here in the mid-west u.s., outlaws (Frank and Jesse James, Billy the Kid, et.al.)
    have a certain mystic and reverence applied to them.

    The pope ain’t no sexy cowboy, outlaw, or bad guy.

  28. In reply to #30 by TrickyDicky:

    In reply to #27 by CdnMacAtheist:

    The World Powers don’t have much trouble prosecuting bad guys once they know which foreign state they are hiding in, so with radio-controlled mini-copters & drones it wouldn’t be difficult to target him as they did & do with other known international criminals.

    Seal teams, drone strikes, no, nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

    Hi TD. Na, too much collateral damage, so just turn it into a real prison, and RCC museum, and send the rest of their religious criminals there, fill ‘er up good, and when they die off, sell it to Disney as an Entertainment Castle, use the RCC wealth to pay for psychiatric and withdrawal treatment for its stockholders, and to pay for free world contraception…. Win, win, win, win. 8-)

  29. In reply to #31 by Jon Snow:

    Has anyone not seen the rotting carcass of the elephant in the room?

    Fort the very first time since the scandals broke conclusively and infected everything decent over 20 odd yrs back, and on the scale it is now…

    The RCC are letting it slip in their hysterical fire and in-fighting that the poopness actually has a case to answer for.

    They are admitting publicly that it was not the late 60′s liberal malaise of slack standards, or the secular authorities not considering kiddy fiddling important enough to warrant investigation.
    It was not the lack of morality at the time, It was not the godless and sub-human atheist heathens that attempted to make the church look bad, It was not haters of the ‘bhabi jeebus’, it was not enemies of god, it was not the homosexual conspiracies hiding behind the Catholic robes of priest.

    It was not that the church was innocent, it is because it indulged in a proven criminal conspiracy to subvert the course of natural justice, It was because the present pope and the one before lied and participated in corrupt and ongoing cover up, and it was because the present pope demanded that cover up was the responsibility and duty of every bishop and cardinal in the world.

    We have the edicts where Benny specifically threatens to excommunicate anyone that blows the whistle.

    We have the evidence in spades and piles, if humanity does nothing, then we have all failed not only each other, but most of all ourselves.

    That is not so much a despicable and lamentable result, this would be a betrayal of the universe and as such we will not be worthy of assuming our right to be of that Universe, it is as simple as that, the utter shame will follow each and everyone on this planet to their death, now and for generations to come…and so it should.

    You are correct sir. It is a most obvious non-admissive admission of complicity and guilt. I think the real problem will turn out to be very much deeper for the church. I think the money they have available to do everything they do to cover this crap up is the real reason they’re all scared silly. If the international community ever got the chance to start digging through the records of the church I’m dead sure it would make Scientology look like two kids running a Koolaid stand.

  30. In reply to #45 by DocWebster:

    If the international community ever got the chance to start digging through the records of the church I’m dead sure it would make Scientology look like two kids running a Koolaid stand.

    There is of course that ever present financial arrangement that beguiles and enslaves the RCC, and the methods if not the mechanism they employ to move the cash around the globe to avoid scrutiny and usurp local banking regulations.

    It involves many of the major banks and probably all the Italian ones, not to mention many property agents.
    And it involves them at the highest level in the bank, at board and beyond, the financial regulators…Government…

    They are all in the frame and they all collude and are manipulated by Vatican financiers, at least that is the undeniable flavour of the odd slip ups they cannot prevent leaking to the media, and it seems to be just the hint of the reality under the shadow.

    We are in multi-billion dollar territory the Mafia murder for far less.

    But never lift the stone, the stench and corruption are not for the sane to parse.
    And no organization reveals the actual beating of its black and withered heart, and the RCC definitely do not want its circulatory system examined.

    So it is not the sex scandals that frighten or even shame them, it is the mechanism of the magisterium behind the curtains they want to keep secret, and if they have to prematurely retire a pope to keep that secret safe they will with no regrets history and centuries and tradition be fucked, they do what it finds most beneficial.
    And having Benny exposed and vulnerable to awkward and probing questions as the head of state is not beneficial to the body ecclesiastical.
    Questions can get deeper very quickly, they are taking no chances.
    He is under house arrest basically, no more foreign trips and no leaving the precinct of the holy see, for life!

    Could not happen to a nicer rat!

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