Church of England spins Prayer Survey

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The Church of England announced today that it had commissioned research which shows ‘four out of five believe in the power of prayer’ and that young people especially believe in it.


The British Humanist Association has criticised the Church for misrepresenting the research and seeking to mislead the public.

The survey question asked of respondents did not actually ask people whether they ‘believe in the power of prayer’; it simply asked what people would pray for, regardless of whether they actually pray or not. The exact wording of the question was: ‘Irrespective of whether you currently pray or not, if you were to pray for something at the moment, what would it be for?’ Naturally, 81% of respondents named specific things that they would choose to pray for, such as world peace, if they were to believe in the power of prayer. It is this figure the Church of England has used to claim that ‘four out of five’ people believe in the power of prayer.

Andrew Copson, Chief Executive of the British Humanist Association, commented, ’If you asked someone “Irrespective of whether you make wishes of genies, what would you wish for?” or “Irrespective of whether you believe in Father Christmas, what would you ask him for?” you could hardly use the responses to demonstrate wide public belief in genies or Santa Claus. Yet this is exactly what the Church of England is doing with prayer. It is amusing until you remember that this is an immensely powerful institution with a highly privileged position in public life, control of almost a third of our state schools and seats in our parliament. Their desperate attempt to have an Easter good news story through misleading claims conceals the reality of the religious demography of our country - religious practice, identity, belonging and belief are all in long-term decline – now at the level of minority pursuits - and non-religious identities and beliefs are on the rise.’

And from The Huffington Post UK

Church Of England Accused Of ‘Dishonesty’ In Prayer Survey Findings

Atheists have accused the Church of England of “spinning” the results of research that claimed ‘four out of five believe in the power of prayer’ and that young people especially believe in it.

Professor Richard Dawkins and the British Humanist Association has criticised the Church for “seeking to mislead the public”, and the story has angered many on social media.

The BHA claim that the ICM survey released on Tuesday never asked respondents whether they “believe in the power of prayer” but instead asked people what they would pray for, regardless of whether they believe prayer could change anything.

The exact wording of the question was: ‘Irrespective of whether you currently pray or not, if you were to pray for something at the moment, what would it be for?’

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50 COMMENTS

  1. Of course it is lying. The question was designed to elicit a particular response and the spin takes that response and puts a different spin on it.

    It is called lying for jesus. These guys couldn’t organise a straight layer cake let alone something as convoluted as religious responses to daft questions loaded with wee bullets to make it incomprehensible.

    I hope I make myself clear :-)

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  3. When the C of E has to lie and pretend on this scale it can only be a sign of deep fear and bitter desperation.

    So hysterical that they present a nonsense that is so easily to expose as a nonsense demonstrates quite conclusively, they are in the deepest and stickiest of tar pits, diminishing irrelevancy and impotent terror at a dissipation of their status….this was panic…nothing else!

  4. “In a related survey, nine out of ten respondents reported that in amorous encounters with their partner, what they were most likely to call out at the culmination of such events was along the lines of ‘Oh God, oh God, oh sweet Jesus, oh God, oh Christ.’

    “This shows that, contrary to claims that secularity is on the increase in Britain, a staggering ninety percent of British people not only believe in God; they believe in the Christian God.

    “We believe this is good news not just for the Church of England, but for Christianity in general.”

    • Bravo, Katy!!!!

      In reply to #8 by Katy Cordeth:

      “In a related survey, nine out of ten respondents reported that in amorous encounters with their partner, what they were most likely to call out at the culmination of such events was along the lines of ‘Oh God, oh God, oh sweet Jesus, oh God, oh Christ.’

      “This shows that, contrary to claims that secularity is on the increase in Britain, a staggering ninety percent of British people not only believe in God; they believe in the Christian God.

      “We believe this is good news not just for the Church of England, but for Christianity in general.”

      In reply to #8 by Katy Cordeth:

      “In a related survey, nine out of ten respondents reported that in amorous encounters with their partner, what they were most likely to call out at the culmination of such events was along the lines of ‘Oh God, oh God, oh sweet Jesus, oh God, oh Christ.’

      “This shows that, contrary to claims that secularity is on the increase in Britain, a staggering ninety percent of British people not only believe in God; they believe in the Christian God.

      “We believe this is good news not just for the Church of England, but for Christianity in general.”

  5. If the Church used “lots of people would prayer for at least one of the listed good things if they prayed at all” to conclude “that many people value prayer’s power”, their conclusion that young people especially think this must have come from a statistical demonstration that the young are disproportionately like to care about, say, world peace. That’s something positive. But, of course, the Church has to ruin it, to make themselves seem relevant today.

  6. Of course the GOOD NEWS story just before celebrating God getting nailed to a cross, dying, but not quite, and then coming back to life to save us from our sins. Oooh and then taking the fast route to heaven !

    The CoE is so full of such bilge water, that even Noah would have had a job to pump it out !

  7. I pity God with all these interminable prayers to be answered 24 / 7 / 365. Some want Barcelona to win, others want Real Madrid. Save my auntie, let him pass that exam, let her get her driving licence, please tell politicians to stop using the word austerity. And then some cheeky prayer will come in asking God to end poverty in the world and to stop human suffering.

    “How dare they want me to interfere with my Cosmic Plan?”

    • In reply to #14 by Mr DArcy:

      . And then some cheeky prayer will come in asking God to end poverty in the world and to stop human suffering.

      “How dare they want me to interfere with my Cosmic Plan?”

      You see this is where the church screwed up its religion by making up stories to cover up holes in their story and tried to reinforce their delusion by made up stories about prayers, they over egged the soufflé and now their story is a laughing stock…except to the brain dead that is.

      If the act and performance of prayer is analysed it should be apparent it is an internal form of meditation, it acts to slow breathing and reduce blood pressure by closing the mind to external stimuli…it can be beneficial on that level…but the church could not help themselves and decided to try and graft a non-existent facet on to a natural human technique and phenomenon.

      It is in essence probably a pre-pagan ritual that focusses and directs the mind and can seem to aid wish fulfilment, although if it was ever seen in that context is doubtful, it works by involving concentration and coalescing possible avenues to success, because thought in and of itself is utilized and it has been around ever since witches and warlocks have haunted the night terrors of the naive and superstitious, some call it positive reinforcement of a desire.
      It can strengthen resolve and provide an answer that was always apparent but not realized in conscious thought.
      The religious know the point deep down they call it casting a spell, although they tend to dramatize their nonsense by insisting on goat’s blood or virginal sacrifice are required.

      Zen Buddhism…Native Indian culture….South American indigenous tribal elders…Aboriginal, so many cultures all with such a similar technique, it is almost a trace-like introspection, sometimes with the aid of drugs in many cases….cue incense and candles.

      But the church managed to bastardize the trait and now have got themselves all twisted up in gobbly gook through greed and attempted manipulation and have not the cojones to back out of their lies.

      Because they over hyped it and lied as to its purpose folk found it a dopey and delusional concept, talking to an invisible sky fairy became rather passé and the habit is tainted and it is dying.
      And now in their panic the church have to lie about it to bolster their own credulousness.

      They just have not got the memo…kids do not believe in fairies any more, and adults mostly stopped a while ago!

      If they grew up and used common sense they would come clean and admit it is a meditation technique, that might draw many more sceptical into the fold, but they have neither the wit nor the will.

  8. I heard of some sort of guideline the other day, it went something like “Thou shalt not bear false witness”, its apparently part of something called Christian Dogma.

    It seems to be a mechanism for exposing hypocrites, and its working very well.

  9. ‘Naturally, 81% of respondents named specific things that they would choose to pray for, such as world peace, …’

    Why, haven’t Christians already got that one covered? They are already praying for world peace.

    What do you mean? It’s not working. Don’t you people believe prayer works?

    81 percent of Christians believe in the power of prayer. If they pray for world peace, then there is world peace, and only the most fanatic of atheists would say that there is no world peace.

  10. ‘Bishop of St Albans, the Right Reverend Dr Alan Smith. -“I come across people on an almost daily basis who want to talk about prayer and how to do it.”

    Who would have thought that?

    IN related news, somebody said they came across people on an almost daily basis who want to talk to them about Manchester United’s injury list, said Sir Alex Ferguson.

    • In reply to #22 by stevencarr:

      ‘Bishop of St Albans, the Right Reverend Dr Alan Smith. -“I come across people on an almost daily basis who want to talk about prayer and how to do it.”Who would have thought that?IN related news, somebody said they came across people on an almost daily basis who want to talk to them about Manchester United’s injury list, said Sir Alex Ferguson.

      Blind faithers seem to always have a story which begins something like : I was talking to someone just the other day….

      Their tales somehow never quite ring true for me, and perhaps I now know why.

  11. I’ve just tweeted to the following effect:

    Liars for Jesus: Dishonesty of [church's poll] (http://bit.ly/XErzvu) contrasts with [scrupulous poll] (http://bit.ly/RV5h5F) by @RDFRS_UK

    140 characters was not enough space in my tweet to pay tribute to Paula Kirby, who both commissioned our Ipsos MORI poll on behalf of RDFRS UK and wrote the report on it. Right from the start, Paula characteristically insisted that both the wording of the poll and the presentation of the results should be scrupulously fair and honest. The contrast with the church’s poll, in both these respects, is as humiliating for them as our poll results themselves were devastating. The BHA’s word “spin” is too kind. “Liars for Jesus” sums it up better.

    Richard

    • In reply to #23 by Richard Dawkins:

      I’ve just tweeted to the following effect:

      Liars for Jesus: Dishonesty of [church's poll] (http://bit.ly/XErzvu) contrasts with [scrupulous poll] (http://bit.ly/RV5h5F) by @RDFRS_UK

      I hope RDFRD has enough spare cash to keen the pressure up by commissioning more polls at opportune moments.

      I would have liked to see the correlation between answers, but that is obviously too complex for general consumption. (i.e. Principal component analysis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal_component_analysis)

    • ‘Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s statistics’
      But given the data that’s about all they can do.

      In reply to #23 by Richard Dawkins:

      I’ve just tweeted to the following effect:Liars for Jesus: Dishonesty of [church's poll] (http://bit.ly/XErzvu) contrasts with [scrupulous poll] (http://bit.ly/RV5h5F) by @RDFRS_UK140 characters was not enough space in my tweet to pay tribute to Paula Kirby, who both commissioned our Ipsos MORI poll on behalf of RDFRS UK and wrote the report on it. Right from the start, Paula characteristically insisted that both the wording of the poll and the presentation of the results should be scrupulously fair and honest. The contrast with the church’s poll, in both these respects, is as humiliating for them as our poll results themselves were devastating. The BHA’s word “spin” is too kind. “Liars for Jesus” sums it up better.Richard

  12. Paraphrasing Terry Pratchett,

    • A lie can run round half way round the world before the truth get its boots on, … Well the truth has now got its’ boots on and is coming to give a damn good kicking!
    • In reply to #24 by old-toy-boy:

      A lie can run round half way round the world before the truth get its boots on, … Well the Truth has now got its’ boots on and is coming to give [Lies] a damn good kicking!

      I hope I’ll be forgiven for proffering an alternative or two.

      The second part of Henry IV begins with a figure called Rumour. He enters the stage to set the scene:

      RUMOUR

      Open your ears; for which of you will stop

      The vent of hearing when loud Rumour speaks?

      I, from the orient to the drooping west,

      Making the wind my post-horse, still unfold

      The acts commenced on this ball of earth:

      Upon my tongues continual slanders ride,

      The which in every language I pronounce,

      Stuffing the ears of men with false reports.

      I speak of peace, while covert enmity …

      and his speech ends:

      RUMOUR

      … And not a man of them brings other news

      Than they have learn’d of me: from Rumour’s tongues

      They bring smooth comforts false, worse than true wrongs.

      It has been claimed that Shakespeare was paraphrasing Virgil’s Aeneid – roughly translated:

      Fama, malum qua non aliud velocius ullum:

      Rumor, an evil than which no other [is] more swift:

      mobilitate viget virisque adquirit eundo,

      she thrives on movement and acquires strength by going,

      parva metu primo, mox sese attollit in auras

      small at first out of fear, soon she raises herself to the heavens

      Virgil, of course, pre-dates Christianity.

      You would think, by now, they would have learned a new trick.

      Sadly we have not learned to question the questions. It is not up to Truth to come and kick False, with or without boots.

      It is up to us.

      Peace.

  13. Mr Darcy, yes, the Cosmic Plan! Beautifully described by the wonderful, late, George Carlin:

    “But people do pray, and they pray for a lot of different things, you know, your sister needs an operation on her crotch, your brother was arrested for defecating in a mall. But most of all, you’d really like to fuck that hot little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the eyepatch and the clubfoot? Can you pray for that? I think you’d have to. And I say, fine. Pray for anything you want. Pray for anything, but what about the Divine Plan?

    Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into practice. And for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn’t in God’s Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn’t it seem a little arrogant? It’s a Divine Plan. What’s the use of being God if every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and fuck up Your Plan?

    And here’s something else, another problem you might have: Suppose your prayers aren’t answered. What do you say? “Well, it’s God’s will.” “Thy Will Be Done.” Fine, but if it’s God’s will, and He’s going to do what He wants to anyway, why the fuck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn’t you just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It’s all very confusing”

    Carlin was a genius!

    :-)

    SG

  14. In Disney’s “Pinocchio”, the title character has his peculiar facial transformation explained by The Good Fairy:

    “You see, Pinocchio, a lie keeps growing and growing until it’s as plain as the nose on your face.”

    Irrespective of whether you believe in fairies, do you agree with the allegorical truth of her statement?

  15. No real surprise here. The religious are all about wishful thinking. Do you seriously think for a minute they would let themselves be fazed by such a silly thing as facts? Pffffttt. You can count on them to try their damned best to ignore reality and spread their wishful thinking as far and wide as possible. The sad thing is that it works.

    Unless we speak up and take a stand of course.

  16. Prayer and people praying are to me a stark reminder of the insipid ,fatuous nature of religion.
    I used to ask if the particular imaginary fairy could read people’s minds ;or had very sensitive hearing.
    I caused much anger amongst some Musloids by asking them whether their prayer position was sodomistic deference.
    Talking to the wall is surely puerile!

    • In reply to #40 by ConnedCatholic:

      Its the new CEO ex oil executive. Greedy capitalists come with a dishonest bent of mind.

      Just for the record – I don’t think all capitalists are greedy. It is just the ones that are also greedy. Greedy capitalism need to be fixed just as religion and socialism need to expire.

  17. Isn’t it interesting that the church, when asking others to entertain a happy-sounding hypothetical for the sake of a questionnaire, subsequently claim that their fictional imaginings were real and heartfelt claims of truth? It looks surprisingly like a projection of their own thought processes.

    Seriously, though, the Church of England is embarrassing itself. I hope the resources wasted on it are one day reassigned to more important causes, like getting the UK’s wobbling economy back in balance or improving the NHS.

  18. As someone has pointed out this is what to expect from an ex-oil exec…

    I am sorry to say but it does prove unequivocally that the C of E blatantly lies…what a sad and inglorious end to an institution that in many ways was part of the image of England over the last century..

    ‘Tea and cake vicar?’ never again will that phrase sound so innocuous and so middle England…now it is a reminder that even the most mild mannered and ‘respectable’ of theist delusion can, with confidence, be regarded as a pack of lying and pathetic clowns fiddling statistics and claiming assertions that lack basic integrity, let alone reality, to such a felonious degree that they are now, more then ever, the laughing stock.

    It should be expected, when the credulously naive realize their nonsense is regarded as total poppycock by the rest of a rational society, suddenly the irrelevance and fear of losing their holy jihad looms ever so present.

    It might be sad, but it is just far to typical these days of those that knee jerk to a fairy tale, albeit a very old one!
    The C of E will schism over other issues that they ignored for far to long by pandering to the brain dead in the parishes, nothing is so certain…then divided against themselves with the attendant in-fighting will, without much help, just fade away to a footnote in the social history books!

    And there is little to nothing that even an ex-oil exec can do about it……and what is more he is only in that exalted situation because no one else wanted the poisoned chalice, they saw what happened to Rowan….!

    So methinks a sacrificial lamb is offered…how very errr!…Pagan?

  19. Interesting, slightly off topic point, but I wonder if this is a concerted and clumsy theist mission under way here?

    These deceptions are rarely done in isolation.

    It does seem as co-ordinated a pout as the C of E can muster, and maybe this poll was dishonestly worded to illicit the response they needed to back up their fatuous wailing and crocodile tears?

    A kind of attempt at inventing a vast crowd of nebulously UK distributed jeebus sunbeam worshippers that pray unceasingly and joyously and claiming they are all being sidelined by an uncaring anti-god bully boy tactics of jeebus haters?

    In fact constructing a typical theist straw man argument by deceit, because legislation is their goal, that seems par for the course it is all they ever want, more special privilege, like any greedy little Billy Bunter or pathetic Oliver Twist..

    After all the main ambition of religion is to be included at the nexus of power and being treated as ‘special pleaders’ by the grown ups at the big table, especially when far far past the little tykes bed time, tantrums are inevitable.

    And it was a blatantly dishonest clumsy amateur and disingenuous, actually childish C of E that lied about the interpretation of the result, that is blindingly obvious.

    It is just boasting about how their delusion is so wonderful and whining how they are so persecuted by the nasty wasty secularists and by default those pesky atheists?

    It does follow xtian modus operandi…when in doubt whine, wail, throw dummies out of the pram, and lie for jeebus!

    • In reply to #46 by Jon Snow:

      Interesting, slightly off topic point, but I wonder if this is a concerted and clumsy theist mission under way here?

      From the BBC News UK link:

      Lord Carey also that said a recent ComRes poll suggested “more than two-thirds of Christians feel that they are part of a ‘persecuted minority’”.

      “Their fears may be exaggerated because few in the UK are actually persecuted, but the prime minister has done more than any other recent political leader to feed these anxieties.”

      So, around seventy percent of UK Christians feel they’re part of a persecuted minority. Lord Carey knows that very few of them are actually subject to persecution. And he uses this to attack Cameron?

      Why didn’t he use this platform to reassure Christians that they’re perhaps being a little paranoid and could do with dropping their victim mentality?

      Jeezaloo, just because your man was nailed to a cross and a few of you were fed to some lions a couple thousand years ago, you seem to think this entitles you to play the underdog card until the end of time. It doesn’t. You belong to a religion which can claim dominion over about a third of the population of the planet.

      Or is this how Christianity came to be religion numero uno on the world stage and stay at the top for so long: you just keep whining that you’re the victim and eventually your opponents become so appalled by your apparent lack of anything resembling a backbone that they just give up in disgust?

      • In reply to #47 by Katy Cordeth:

        Jeezaloo, just because your man was nailed to a cross and a few of you were fed to some lions a couple thousand years ago, you seem to think this entitles you to play the underdog card until the end of time.

        Ahh!…yeah the great Xtian whine of the persecution they suffered just like their hero!

        Tacitus, the usual xtian go to authority, does not mention Lions at all per se but certainly dogs, bears and wild boar with the more mundane crucifixion and burning as a back up plan!
        But that was also true of other criminals, neer’do wells, rebels, political foes, that were disposed of at that time.

        It seems that the mass slaughter by lions did not actually occur quite per xtian script…although Nero was pissed at them more then most!
        Although they managed to piss off quite a few Emporer’s, a remarkable talent they have there!

        It has been suggested that Nero’s antipathy was mainly generated by prudence…

        Nero , he of the fiddle that was not invented until a few centuries later, was not fond of downtown Rome, apparently found it rather drab dreary and in sore need of a Laurence Llewelyn-Bowenesque revamp and gave orders to have it torched.

        When rumours surfaced that he was responsible he pointed fingers at the local xtian nest and history did the rest.

        But again not much in the way of lion on xtian action was recorded even for being blamed for burning the gaff down!!

        A professed xtian called Tertullian, remarked that the Romans were always exclaiming “Away with the Christians to the lion!” when times got tough.
        But Tertullian never claimed he witnessed any lion feeding times personally.
        If it was going on at such a scale claimed by later xtian sources surely he would have mentioned it explicitly being a jeebus fan and all that?

        So although numbers of xtians were executed, and some by wild animals..(Nero ordered some xtians to be dressed in animal skins to encourage the dogs to have a nibble apparently) seems it was not on a the grand munching scale they love to boast about.

        But whatever it can be justly assumed that they are just not popular are they poor dears?…cannot imagine why?

  20. There seems to be a clash in Birmingham between two “religions”, – “victimising” those poor little Xtians who want to spoil other people’s enjoyment of their weekend holiday!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-21987151

    A protest is being held by churchgoers in Birmingham over the decision to play a football match on Easter Sunday.

    Worshippers at Aston Parish church are staging the demonstration at nearby Villa Park before Aston Villa’s match with Liverpool.

    The vicar, the Reverend Andy Jolley, said that Easter Sunday “should remain a special day for families.”

    He said he had written to the Premier League and BSkyB, which is broadcasting the game, but neither had replied.

    Aston Parish Church on Witton Lane is a third of a mile away from Villa Park.

    It looks like the Premier league FA club and Sky TV, are treating his petty self-importance, with the contempt it deserves!

    Previous protests

    Mr Jolley said: “It’s the third time we’ve had matches on Easter Sunday in the last eight years and it is frustrating.

    “[The match] takes people in Aston’s attention immediately away from what is the focus of the day which is Easter and Jesus’s resurrection.”

    Eight years? and he has still not got the message! Fancy people wanting a bit of sporting entertainment on a bank-holiday, rather than a fairy story about supernatural events! Who would have thunk it!!!!

    He has the solution in his own hands!! Simple – They should PRAY for the match to be postponed!! You would think an almighty god could manage a simple little job like that!!

    Mr Jolley said he had also had meetings with Aston Villa and the club had offered parking spaces and a minibus to help members of the congregation go to church.

    The Easter service ends just before the match kicks off.

    Protests first took place at Aston Parish Church over Easter matches in 1999 when the vicar at that time, Reverend Keith Sinclair, rang church bells during a match with Chelsea.

    I would guess that football supporters are not very impressed with the tantrums of deluded self-important theists!

    Goalkeepers save, fairy-stories delude! !!!

    A comparison of the attendance figures should be interesting!
    Villa Park is a football stadium in the district of Witton, Birmingham, England, with
    a seating capacity of 42,788
    .

    • In reply to #49 by Alan4discussion:

      A comparison of the attendance figures should be interesting!
      Villa Park is a football stadium in the district of Witton, Birmingham, England, with
      a seating capacity of 42,788 .

      Match Attendance…..”Att: 42,037″

      So I wonder where & how the 751 absentees spent Easter Sunday, watching it on sky with a pint & packet of crisps probably, highly unlikely to be in the local myth emporium I would wager!

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