‘Climate of denial’ intimidating for science teachers, audience told

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Teachers today face daunting, sometimes scary challenges, a trio of Oak Ridge High School educators said Thursday.

“We’re teaching science in a climate of denial,” biology teacher Beth Adler said. “We have legislated denial.”

From the theory of evolution to climate change, teachers are becoming
wary of teaching basic scientific consensus because of the potential
backlash they can face, she said.

“This leads to intimidated and capitulating teachers,” she said. “We
need courage. It is scary,” Adler said. “We need to hear ‘Thank you for
teaching the scientific consensus.’”

Adler said she’s faced 14- and 15-year-old students, some of them in
tears, “ready to argue basic scientific principles,” and other students
“thinking that climate change is a liberal hoax.”

Adler, physics teacher Matthew Perkins and math teacher Karla
Mullins spoke to attendees at the latest Oak Ridge Forum on Religion and
Science.

Faced with those new stresses and pressures to boost student
performance, “there’s no comfort at all in teaching,” Mullins said.
“Everything you do is questioned.”

Written By: Bob Fowler
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34 COMMENTS

  1. Has Evolution, like Eugenics, become a dirty word for some? It’s worth remember that Darwin himself avoided using the word in his On the Origin, and used the word “evolved” once only in this book — it was the last word of it.

    Perhaps some people, upon hearing this word, simply shut down, turn away, refuse to listen, get mad?

    If so, to placate such people, we may be better off referring to the Theory of Evolution as the “Theory of Change Over Time”. If we adopt the latter name, it will still mean the same thing, but, perhaps, it may not be so burdened by all the noise and animus of Evolution refuseniks.

    Or we could just tell them to “Go to Hell!”, I mean, to “Go jump into the Primordial Soup!”

    (As for the “climate of denial”, this has been the case ever since one man, or woman, broke off the main stream and decided to go create his own belief system.)

  2. Of the past 2000 years, more than half was spent going backwards, eradicating the advances of classical antiquity and in a state of arrested development until about 600-700 years ago. As with the stock market, maybe Western civilization is overdue for another correction.

  3. I think the word ‘evolution’ has been so abused and has such mixed connotations that perhaps the time has come to rename or reframe it in some way. Used in isolation without adding ‘by natuaral selection’ is also problematic so maybe a word that combines both should be introduced eg ‘selectionism’

  4. With stupid spats like this happening, what hope is there for the United States? Even the educated elite, the best and brightest, won’t or can’t hold the line of reason and enlightenment.

    The greatest country in the world, the world leader, the country of manifest destiny, is reverting to the most primitive, atavistic and superstitious religious beliefs and behaviour. Profoundly depressing, what hope for the rest of the world?

  5. Thanks to Michael Gove the UK might soon have to face climate change doubters. He wants to remove climate change from the pre-GCSE syllabus and only teach it to students who choose geography as an option, which they do when they’re 14!

    So, sign please (couldn’t post the link so remove the hyphens in the http).

    h-t-t-p://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/michael-gove-don-t-scrap-climate-change-education-2?source=facebook-share-button&time=1363798514

    • In reply to #6 by Virgin Mary:

      Thanks to Michael Gove the UK might soon have to face climate change doubters. He wants to remove climate change from the pre-GCSE syllabus and only teach it to students who choose geography as an option, which they do when they’re 14!

      So, sign please (couldn’t post the link so remove the hyphens in the http).

      h-t-t-p://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/michael-gove-don-t-scrap-climate-change-education-2?source=facebook-share-button&time=1363798514

      While particular issues like Gove’s stupidity my be valid, this is George Galloway’s loony-left outfit, which will jump on any band-waggon, or NIMBY campaign, which makes them look like constructive politicians. If you sign one of their petitions you will get their spam emails for ever afterwards.

      A few years back, I shot them down in flames in the local press, when they tried to sabotage a local educational reorganisation and a major school rebuilding programme, so as to appeal for NIMBY support, where some near-empty schools were to be closed or reduced in size, as part of the overall plan!

      • In reply to #7 by Alan4discussion:

        In reply to #6 by Virgin Mary:

        Thanks to Michael Gove the UK might soon have to face climate change doubters. He wants to remove climate change from the pre-GCSE syllabus and only teach it to students who choose geography as an option, which they do when they’re 14!

        So, sign please (couldn’t post the link so remove the hyphens in the http).

        h-t-t-p://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/michael-gove-don-t-scrap-climate-change-education-2?source=facebook-share-button&time=1363798514

        While particular issues like Gove’s stupidity my be valid, this is George Galloway’s loony-left outfit, which will jump on any band-waggon, or NIMBY campaign, which makes them look like constructive politicians. If you sign one of their petitions you will get their spam emails for ever afterwards.

        A few years back, I shot them down in flames in the local press, when they tried to sabotage a local educational reorganisation and a major school rebuilding programme, so as to appeal for NIMBY support, where some near-empty schools were to be closed or reduced in size, as part of the overall plan!

        Anybody can start a campaign on there and you only sign up to the ones you agree with. I’ve never received emails from them either.

        • Thanks. I will sign it. I can always block email accounts that spam me afterwards.

          This is a very real concern me. UKIP is set to become the third biggest party in the UK and it has stated climate change denial policy.

          I think many in the Tory party are following suite. If Cameron gets toppled before the next election it is conceivable we could have a climate sceptical government.

          The Sunday Mail ran a piece last weekend claiming that ‘science’ had proven there was no climate change and it was all a European Union conspiracy or something. As ridiculous as these media distortions of science are they are gaining ground in Europe as well as America.

          Its hard to explain to people that the recent fluctuations in the Jet Stream causing cold weather and increased precipitation from more moisture in the atmosphere causing flooding fits the climate model precisely. They think global warming means hotter weather all over.

          In reply to #11 by Virgin Mary:

          In reply to #7 by Alan4discussion:

          In reply to #6 by Virgin Mary:

          Thanks to Michael Gove the UK might soon have to face climate change doubters. He wants to remove climate change from the pre-GCSE syllabus and only teach it to students who choose geography as an option, which they do when they’re 14!

          So, sign please (couldn’t post the link so remove the hyphens in the http).

          h-t-t-p://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/michael-gove-don-t-scrap-climate-change-education-2?source=facebook-share-button&time=1363798514

          While particular issues like Gove’s stupidity my be valid, this is George Galloway’s loony-left outfit, which will jump on any band-waggon, or NIMBY campaign, which makes them look like constructive politicians. If you sign one of their petitions you will get their spam emails for ever afterwards.

          A few years back, I shot them down in flames in the local press, when they tried to sabotage a local educational reorganisation and a major school rebuilding programme, so as to appeal for NIMBY support, where some near-empty schools were to be closed or reduced in size, as part of the overall plan!

          Anybody can start a campaign on there and you only sign up to the ones you agree with. I’ve never received emails from them either.

          • In reply to #12 by mr_DNA:

            Thanks. I will sign it. I can always block email accounts that spam me afterwards.

            This is a very real concern me. UKIP is set to become the third biggest party in the UK and it has stated climate change denial policy.

            I think many in the Tory party are following suite. If Cameron gets toppled before the next election it is conceivable we could have a climate sceptical government.

            fortunately britain isn´t experiencing any climate problems right now!?!? fortunately it´s an island.. if the water level does rise, they´re going to have a heck of a problem and not to mention very wet feet…

  6. @OP – Adler said she’s faced 14- and 15-year-old students, some of them in tears, “ready to argue basic scientific principles,” and other students “thinking that climate change is a liberal hoax.”

    Teachers should teach with honesty and integrity, calling out dishonest politicians and media claims. They should be telling students to read scientific magazines, not tabloid comics or the rantings of the local political idiots! It teachers are facing 14 & 15 year-olds who are full of nonsense, their colleagues cannot have done much of a job in earlier stages of education!

    • In reply to #8 by Alan4discussion:

      @OP – Adler said she’s faced 14- and 15-year-old students, some of them in tears, “ready to argue basic scientific principles,” and other students “thinking that climate change is a liberal hoax.”

      Teachers should teach with honesty and integrity, calling out dishonest politicians and media claims. They should be telling students to read scientific magazines, not tabloid comics or the rantings of the local political idiots! It teachers are facing 14 & 15 year-olds who are full of nonsense, their colleagues cannot have done much of a job in earlier stages of education!

      Kids aren’t taught evolution until they are 14 so all of their preconceptions about the subject are borne of parent induced ignorance.

  7. That such a high degree of ignorance exists is bad enough, but that it should be deliberately inculcated by the ignorant into their offspring is criminal.

    One of the many beauties of evolution by its mechanism natural selection is that it’s accessible to all; no special skills are required, only the desire to learn.

  8. I wasn’t fond of Perkins’ comment “While religion is faith-based and science is based on evidence, “We’ve got to do a better job of showing these things coexist,” Perkins said. ‘I’m a person of deep faith but there’s just not a lot of places for an intelligent discussion.’” When I was Catholic I was taught Evolution and accepted it easily. I assume that this is the same today (?) So essentially they are forced to cater (for lack of a better word) to particular religions. Any local government support would be doing the same. This article sickens me.

  9. I stand in front of my classroom battling a chest cold that has moved to my sinuses and back to my chest. I stand and I curse evolution. I mean, if there was no evolution, the world would be a much much easier place in which to live.

    Think about it. Everything stays the same. By the time a person reached my age (45)…. rather, IF they reached my age, they probably would have gained immunity to a high percentage of the diseases out there that they would very rarely get sick.

    I rail against evolution. Creation would be so much simpler. So much simpler. Nothing to really study. No new flu. The flu, this year was devastating in the US. Some agencies place the efficacy of the flu vaccine ay 9% for seniors. 9%!!!!!

    I think that the fact that evolution marches to it’s relentless future spells a whole bunch of shit storms for humans. And, I stand every year in front of my kids and rant and rave and argue and PREDICT. Last year i predicted that we would have a terrible new disease emerge within the next decade. Something on the order of MRSA or another “superbug”… I stand by that prediction.

    What a great place it would be if evolution was bullshit! I mean, no changing environment. No extinction of species. no emerging diseases. no new species, bacterial resistance to antibiotic….

    As for allegiance to Darwin; he can go eat shit. I mean, listen, if i could topple his theory tomorrow, do you think there’d be any fame, notoriety, money involved??? NAH!!! I would hate to have my picture in every biology text book as the man who out thought Darwin. That would suck… I would probably make my paradigm changing discovery and hide it or sit on it out of allegiance to the “tribe”…. the clan of scientists that i pray with and swear everlasting allegiance…

    Thanks evolution. Thanks a whole lot. My DVD player won;t play a blue ray disk. My adobe flash player is out of date. My operating system needs constant update. I need a flu shot. I get the flu anyway. Oh, I didn’t realize WE LIVE IN REALITY where all these things are true FOR A REASON. It is called EVOLUTION.

  10. Science adviser warns climate target ‘out the window’ – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19348194

    One of the government’s most senior scientific advisers has said that efforts to stop a sharp rise in global temperatures were now “unrealistic”.

    Prof Sir Bob Watson said that any hope of restricting the average temperature rise to 2C was “out the window”.

    He said that the rise could be as high as 5C – with dire consequences.

    Sir Bob added the Chancellor, George Osborne, should back efforts to cut the UK’s CO2 emissions.

    He said: “I have to look back on [the outcome of successive climate change summits] Copenhagen, Cancun and Durban and say that I can’t be overly optimistic.

    “To be quite candid the idea of a 2C target is largely out of the window.”
    Prof Sir Bob Watson Chief scientist, Defra

    Sir Bob is among the most respected scientists in the world on climate change policy.

    He is currently chief scientist at the Department for Food and Rural Affairs and a former chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

    Sir Bob added that deep cuts in CO2 emissions were possible using innovative technologies, without harming economic recovery.

    “This doesn’t take a revolution in energy technology – an evolution would get us there.

    “So the question is, is there the political will – and everyone (ends up) looking at each other.”

    Meanwhile:- Tory-Twit Cameron, is busy arranging investment in further development of – GAS-FRACKING!!!!
    - While the denialists in his party would be even worse!

    The continued drilling for oil in deep stormy waters off Shetland continues, while the proven prototype Atlantis tidal turbine electric generators off Orkney, using the same submarine construction technologies are largely ignored!

  11. Re: climate change denial. Cheer up everyone. Its only been 154 years since The Origin of Species was published, and we’ve already managed to convince some people that it’s true. Maybe in 150 years some people will finally believe in climate change, by which time they’ll all be living in igloos and worshipping the sun.

  12. Professor Sir Bob. I want that name.

    He’s thinking too small as far as I’m concerned. When 50% of the world’s carbon emissions come from the US and China I’m not entirely sure what effect the UK further reducing it’s emissions could possibly have? I’m not saying that we shouldn’t bother, but can we save ourselves when those two are turning the planet into a shrivelled up old prune by themselves?

    • In reply to #17 by Virgin Mary:

      Professor Sir Bob. I want that name.

      He’s thinking too small as far as I’m concerned. When 50% of the world’s carbon emissions come from the US and China I’m not entirely sure what effect the UK further reducing it’s emissions could possibly have? I’m not saying that we shouldn’t bother, but can we save ourselves when those two are turning the planet into a shrivelled up old prune by themselves?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List-of-tidal-power-stations

      But then the Chinese are building more hydroelectric generators than anyone else, while the Indians have bought and are installing many more tidal turbines than the UK – Despite Atlantic Tidal Turbines being a Scottish company!

      http://www.tidalenergy.eu/scottish-tidal-energy.html

      Scottish Tidal Energy

      The crown estate and Scottish government are behind a £4bn project to build a number of tidal power sites around the Orkney islands and the Pentland Firth, expected to generate the same amount of power as a nuclear power station. That’s 1.2GW of green energy – enough to power up to 750,000 homes.
      Some estimates have suggested that a combination of tidal and wave power from the area could produce up to 60GW of power. That would represent 10 times Scotland’s annual electricity usage. Other studies suggest one-third of the UK’s total electricity needs could be met by tidal power alone.
      The area features narrow sea channels perfectly suited to take advantage of the heavy Atlantic swell and some of the world’s strongest tides. Speeds of up to 16 knots or 19mph have been recorded.

      http://www.oceanleadership.org/2013/uk-tidal-power-has-huge-potential-say-scientists/

      The UK is underestimating the amount of electricity that could be generated from tidal sources, new research says.

      (From BBC News / by Matt McGrath) – The analysis says that estuary barrages and tidal streams could provide more than 20% of the nation’s demand for electricity.

      Despite high costs, experts say tidal power is more reliable than wind.

      The predictable nature of tides makes them an ideal renewable energy source, the journal Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society A reports.

      Essentially, engineers try to tap tides in two ways: one involves building barrages across tidal estuaries that use the ebb and flow of the waters to turn turbines – a major project of this type had been proposed for the River Severn.

      The other method involves planting turbines underwater in fast flowing tidal streams in areas such as in coastal waters around Cornwall and Scotland.

      The SeaGen project in Northern Ireland is the largest grid connected tidal turbine in the world.

      “From tidal barrages you can reasonably expect you can get 15% of UK electricity needs, that’s a very solid number,” co-author Dr Nicholas Yates from the National Oceanography Centre told BBC News.

      The point is that the UK should be a technology world leader and exporter – not a bunch of stick-in-the-mud coal, oil & gas freaks! !

      These are the sorts of projects children should be learning about!

    • In reply to #17 by Virgin Mary:

      Professor Sir Bob. I want that name.

      He’s thinking too small as far as I’m concerned. When 50% of the world’s carbon emissions come from the US and China

      As far as the USA is concerned, California (like Spain), has some world-leading Solar-Thermal generation systems – and vast deserts where more could be built!

      http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=first-us-power-tower-lights-up-california August 2009.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List-of-solar-thermal-power-stations

      The solar thermal power industry was growing, planned with about 1.17 gigawatts (GW) of concentrating solar power (CSP) plants online as of 2011.[2] 582 megawatts of them are located in Spain, and the United States has 507 MW of capacity.

      About 17 GW of CSP projects are under development worldwide, and the United States leads with about 8 GW. Spain ranks second with 4.46 GW in development, followed by China with 2.5 GW

      It is a myth that the biggest polluters are not interested in developing renewable energies, but the coal / oil / gas-fracking lobby, promotes this myth, while it funds many political stooges and media deniers!

      The US is even installing an experimental set of tidal turbines in the East River New-York!!! http://energy.gov/articles/turbines-nyc-east-river-will-provide-power-9500-residents

      As part of the Roosevelt Island Tidal Energy project, 30 turbines are being installed along the strait that connects the Long Island Sound with the Atlantic Ocean in the New York Harbor. The project, led by Verdant Power, Inc., is the first ever commercially licensed tidal energy project in the United States.

      The turbines are scheduled to be fully installed by 2015 and will use the flow of the river and tides to generate 1,050 kilowatts of electricity — this power will be delivered to 9,500 New York residents.

      Perhaps some school educational visits to some of these projects would be of benefit!

  13. A student can’t interrupt a science classroom basing his denial on ideology – whether religious or not- if he does so, he should be invited to move his arse out of the classroom. On the other hand if he has enough scientific knowledge about the facts that cause or don’t cause climatic change a debate could be started in the classroom: are the changes caused by human activity or caused by Nature? I think the excess of CO2 is mainly caused by human activity, but if he student has a different opinion based on scientific evidence, he should state his case in a serious and scientific way.

    • In reply to #20 by Odalrich:

      I think the excess of CO2 is mainly caused by human activity, but if he student has a different opinion based on scientific evidence, he should state his case in a serious and scientific way.

      There really is not a lot to discuss on that!

      The greenhouse effect is proven physics, and the year-on-year human world production figures and combustion figures for billions of tons of coal, oil, and gas, are available.

      C+O2 = CO2 – It’s not rocket science!

    • In reply to #20 by Odalrich:

      A student can’t interrupt a science classroom basing his denial on ideology – whether religious or not- if he does so, he should be invited to move his arse out of the classroom. On the other hand if he has enough scientific knowledge about the facts that cause or don’t cause climatic change a debate could be started in the classroom: are the changes caused by human activity or caused by Nature? I think the excess of CO2 is mainly caused by human activity, but if he student has a different opinion based on scientific evidence, he should state his case in a serious and scientific way.

      a lot of our greenhouse gasses come from farm animals farting all day, which is also a human activity, your right there… if we want to change the climate, we should not only look at combustion of fuel but also our dietary habits.. it´s an and-and story.. i do however wish that our governmenst (who are in effect chosen by us!!!) pull their fingers out of their arses, stop listening to the, too p werful, lobbies of old-energy companies and get a fucking move on with harnesing more solar, wind and water power.. but like I say.. we, the people, should put out more votes for those who want to change things.. but we are all too concerned with our health, our pensions, fuel prices to run our cars and trains and what not.. we have to want to change and then get our governments to change also… a (r)evolution has been instigated in the past, maybe we need a new one.. get the stupid farts out of office: the old steam-engine driven by coal era is over.. problem is that a lot of companies still do well with selling us these old fuels.. and we still want them.. who wants their car to drive them to work tomorrow, or who wants to take that plane to the other side of the world for a holiday or business meeting (the latter could very easily be done by remote conferencing)? who of us still wants that thick, juicy steak on their plate??? we need to change ourselves and like I said kick our governments backsides and get them moving in the direction we want them to, not, as in the past few years, the direction the world market wants them to go (which is down the drain if you want my honest opinion.. look at what the banks have done for us the past few years, for instance.. thankfully I have no savings in the banks in europe (or anywhere else for that matter))

  14. In reply to #22 by Alan4discussion:

    In reply to #20 by Odalrich:I think the excess of CO2 is mainly caused by human activity, but if he student has a different opinion based on scientific evidence, he should state his case in a serious and scientific way.There really is not a lot to discuss on that!The greenhouse effect is proven physics, and the year-on-year human world production figures and combustion figures for billions of tons of coal, oil, and gas, are available.C+O2 = CO2 – It’s not rocket science!

    I agree with you. So people who disagree should prove it and not interrupt a science class with ideological garbage. This also includes those who don’t believe in Natural Evolution and pretend to make us believe in the childish “creationism”. I believe in free debate in the classroom, but based on rational facts. I don’t accept that irrational ideas can interfere with a science lecture.

  15. So all of these points raised by alan4discussion had exactly what to do with mine? Does anything you’ve said negate the fact that over 50% of co2 emissions emanate from the US and China and that both countries have refused to sign up to the Kyoto Treaty?

    • How about the scary proposition that as China gets more affluent, we are potentially looking at 100 million new drivers with 100 million new cars in the next decade or so?

      In reply to #26 by Virgin Mary:

      So all of these points raised by alan4discussion had exactly what to do with mine? Does anything you’ve said negate the fact that over 50% of co2 emissions emanate from the US and China and that both countries have refused to sign up to the Kyoto Treaty?

      • In reply to #27 by crookedshoes:

        How about the scary proposition that as China gets more affluent, we are potentially looking at 100 million new drivers with 100 million new cars in the next decade or so?

        Even more scary is that India is slowly but surely building the roads which will allow it’s ever growing middle class to buy and drive cars. We’re entering the golden age of oil, shame it’s going to blot out the sun.

        Also, China’s insistence on using coal power stations isn’t helping either.

        • In reply to #29 by Virgin Mary:

          Even more scary is that India is slowly but surely building the roads which will allow it’s ever growing middle class to buy and drive cars. We’re entering the golden age of oil, shame it’s going to blot out the sun.

          Nothing that melting Himalayan glaciers, loss of dry-season irrigation melt-water, crop-failures, and starvation, cannot locally fix in the longer term!

          A big influx of refugees from the rising sea-levels in Bangladesh should add to the droughts, to help to reinforce the message in India!
          Sad! – but nature does not care about human stupidity or human suffering!

          Bangladesh, one of the world’s most populous countries,10 is highly vulnerable to the effects of sea-level rise—including more salinization of both ground and surface waters.3,4,11 The deltaic plains of the Ganges, Brahmaputra, and Meghna rivers compose most of the country’s land area,4 and the vast majority of the coastal zone is at an elevation of less than 16 feet (5 meters).12

          Local sea-level rise of as much as 1 inch (25 millimeters) per year has been recorded in sections of the Ganges-Brahmaputra Delta.5,2 Most deltas experience natural sinking and settling of land (subsidence), which can increase relative, or local, sea-level rise.4 Human interventions such as extraction of groundwater can speed up subsidence, as has been the case in the Ganges-Brahmaputra basin.4,5

          Local sinking and groundwater extraction can allow seawater to creep inland, displacing coastal plant and animal communities that depend on brackish or freshwater.4 Encroaching seawater and salty groundwater may also increase soil salinity, which can hinder growth of crops.13 For example, increased salinity inhibits rice growth and can lower rice yield. –
          http://www.climatehotmap.org/global-warming-locations/ganges-brahmaputra-delta-bangladesh.html

          What the Future Holds

          By mid-century, more than 3 million people stand to be directly affected by sea-level rise in the Ganges-Brahmaputra Delta.5 In a worst-case scenario, Bangladesh could lose nearly 25 percent of its 1989 land area by around 2100.5

          Climate change is projected to cause further sea-level rise during this century and beyond.15,16 If we do nothing to reduce our heat-trapping emissions,17 global sea level is projected to increase some 23 inches (59 centimeters) over recent average levels by the end of this century.18

          However, if we make significant efforts to reduce emissions,17 sea-level rise could be limited to about 15 inches (38 centimeters) by the end of this century.18 Recent evidence of higher rates of global sea-level rise suggests that these projections may be low.6,7,9 And regional variations in sea-level rise are expected to continue.9

          In Bangladesh, the impact of sea-level rise may be worsened by other effects of global warming, such as variable precipitation, more frequent droughts and floods, and shrinking of the glaciers that supply water to the rivers of the delta.19 Reduced rainfall during the dry season, for example, can increase the salinity of rivers through encroaching seawater that moves upstream during periods of low flow.

          Displaced persons, could well be looking for those responsible, to hold them accountable!

          Also, China’s insistence on using coal power stations isn’t helping either.

          Major Chinese rivers are also fed with melt-water from disappearing Himalayan glaciers!

    • In reply to #26 by Virgin Mary:

      So all of these points raised by alan4discussion had exactly what to do with mine? Does anything you’ve said negate the fact that over 50% of co2 emissions emanate from the US and China and that both countries have refused to sign up to the Kyoto Treaty?

      No it does not alter the present facts, – but it does point out the technologies which children and the next generation will need to understand,as the problems created by rampant consumerism and denial bite them!

      It also, with publicity, can help to counter the denial disinformation, and claims that “nothing can be done, so doing nothing is a credible option”, – thus making clear the options which are available, and dishonesty of the pro-carbon lobby!

    • In reply to #26 by Virgin Mary:

      So all of these points raised by alan4discussion had exactly what to do with mine? Does anything you’ve said negate the fact that over 50% of co2 emissions emanate from the US and China and that both countries have refused to sign up to the Kyoto Treaty?

      and we still buy coca cola, eat at mcdonalds or burger king and buy whatever crap the chines put out on the market…

  16. it is truly troubling to ponder that teachers are being demanded to get better results bet at the same time religious (call it like I see it) lawmakers are being allowed to legislate denial of fact based science.

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