Malala Yousafzai achieves her “dream of going back to school” in Birmingham

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Just months after being shot in the head by the Taliban for campaigning
for education rights the teenager completed her first day at Edgbaston
High School for Girls.

It was the day her parents and family thought they would never see.

Brave teenager Malala Yousafzai achieving her ‘‘dream’’ of going back to school, in her new home city of Birmingham.

The
15-year-old completed her first day at Edgbaston High School for Girls,
just months after being shot by a Taliban gunman in Pakistan after campaigning for education rights for females.

Malala
will be studying a full curriculum and will go on to sit her GCSEs after
she and her family, including dad Ziauddin and mum Toorpekai, decided
to make Birmingham their new home.

She said: “I am excited that today I have achieved my dream of going back to school.

“I want all girls in the world to have this basic opportunity.

‘‘I
miss my classmates from Pakistan very much but I am looking forward to
meeting my teachers and making new friends here in Birmingham.”

Written By: Christina Savvas, Anuji Varma
continue to source article at birminghammail.co.uk

52 COMMENTS

  1. ” The Edgbaston school prides itself on educating girls, “

    The difference between civilization and barbarism.

    I hope this girl has a much better and well deserved life where she is now. At least she can have life and education where she is now.

    • In reply to #2 by Stafford Gordon:

      Here, she can thrive and choose; will she be religious in ten years time?

      Well her parents apparently are well convinced of the meḿe…cos one of the first comments I read the father praised allah for sparing her life!…apparently it was a miracle!
      Not a mention at any time of the emergency services in Pakistan or the surgical work carried out in Blighty!

      But whatever I wish her all the very best…she is a remarkably brave young lady.

    • In reply to #4 by BigChris:

      A miracle? It would be truer to say that god put the gun in the hand of the Taliban. A very brave girl.

      Of course god put the gun in the hand of the Taliban! And then caused him to miss his target. And then made sure she got on the right plane, and guided the pilot in the right direction to come here so that she could receive treatment to heal the damage god had done to her. And then helped the surgeons to save her life. And then guided her to the right school, so that she could break god’s law by getting an education…I mean it all just makes so much sense doesn’t it!

    • In reply to #4 by BigChris:

      A miracle? It would be truer to say that god put the gun in the hand of the Taliban. A very brave girl.

      A better way to put it would be that the Taliban who shot her BELIEVES that god put the gun in his hand. And Malala’ parents BELIEVE that god saved her. The murderer’s belief is cruel and senseless, the parent’s belief is well intentioned but just as absurd.

      What I wish for this brave little girl is that she learns about history, philosophy and science but most of all critical thinking so that she may someday become an ex-muslim like Maryam Namazie, Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and others.

  2. I am glad that she is alive and well and able to return to school. It is unfortunate however that she has to be in, what is for her, a foreign country away from her friends. I just wish that the situation in Pakistan would improve so that she was able to safely return there and that neither she nor any other child should be in danger just for going to school.

  3. Malala is a shinning beacon of inspiring light to young woman all around the world fighting for basic equal rights.
    And for the first time in a long long time I have had a sense of being proud to be British.

    • True indeed. I hope Britannia cures herself of the nasty parasites a.k.a religions and leads the path for others. First it was christianity crippling her progress, now it is islam, hinduism and other frigging third world cults!

      In reply to #7 by Le-Bonzz:

      Malala is a shinning beacon of inspiring light to young woman all around the world fighting for basic equal rights.
      And for the first time in a long long time I have had a sense of being proud to be British.

      • In reply to #8 by kbala:

        True indeed. I hope Britannia cures herself of the nasty parasites a.k.a religions and leads the path for others. First it was christianity crippling her progress, now it is islam, hinduism and other frigging third world cults!

        In reply to #7 by Le-Bonzz:

        Malala is a shinning beacon of inspiring light to young woman all around the world fighting for basic equal rights.
        And for the first time in a long long time I have had a sense of being proud to be British.

        Birmingham over 20% muslim, many other cities with Islamic no-go areas; Britain is well on the way to the cure…

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020382/You-entering-Sharia-law-Britain-As-Islamic-extremists-declare-Sharia-law-zone-London-suburb-worrying-social-moral-implications.html

        • Right wing twaddle. Do you live in Britain?
          I wouldn’t take anything the DailyMail prints seriously.
          I’m no fan of Islam but it is a gross misrepresentation of British society to say that there are “Islamic no go areas”. Can you name where these supposed areas are?
          I taught in Newham for ten years in an area that is 80 % muslim and I did not once feel threatened or intimidated in any way.
          The story you are talking about originated in the east end of London and was dealt with promptly by the police.
          Quite frankly I think brandishing all Muslims as being of the same mindset is neither accurate or useful.
          I

          In reply to #11 by Nodhimmi:

          In reply to #8 by kbala:

          True indeed. I hope Britannia cures herself of the nasty parasites a.k.a religions and leads the path for others. First it was christianity crippling her progress, now it is islam, hinduism and other frigging third world cults!

          In reply to #7 by Le-Bonzz:

          Malala is a shinning beacon of inspiring light to young woman all around the world fighting for basic equal rights.
          And for the first time in a long long time I have had a sense of being proud to be British.

          Birmingham over 20% muslim, many other cities with Islamic no-go areas; Britain is well on the way to the cure…

          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020382/You-entering-Sharia-law-Britain-As-Islamic-extremists-declare-Sharia-law-zone-London-suburb-worrying-social-moral-implications.html

          • In reply to #19 by mr_DNA:

            Right wing twaddle. ?

            not really

            And although the incident in London was seen as an attempt to set up a no go for non-Muslim area…its apparent failure in no way detracts from other areas where they have succesfully established them , with a little help from the West Midland cops in Birmingham no less albeit unwittingly.

            On all the lamposts in Alum Rock and Ward End (100% asian populated mainly muslim) in Birmingham are notices saying – “No white’s in this area after 7pm

            This is a report from the Gatestone Institute…
            (Gatestone Institute, a non-partisan, not-for-profit international policy council and think tank is dedicated to educating the public about what the mainstream media fails to report in promoting)

            Report

            Not exactly all Right wing twaddle!

            But make of it what you will.

            I will say one thing that if it is happening, which according to several sources it appears to be, then the mainstream serious media are keeping very quite about it and that alone I find but passing strange!

            But it is worthwhile mentioning that sharia infliction efforts in Blighty is seemingly just a continuation of a European wide trend…

            this is a page with a link to streets in Paris where no go zones are actually in force apparently

            But this information seems to be a few years old…so?

          • In reply to #22 by Jon Snow:

            In reply to #19 by mrDNA:_

            Right wing twaddle. ?

            not really

            And although the incident in London was seen as an attempt to set up a no go for non-Muslim area…its apparent failure in no way detracts from other areas where they have succesfully established them , with a little help from the West Midland cops in Birmingham no less albeit unwittingly.

            On all the lamposts in Alum Rock and Ward End (100% asian populated mainly muslim) in Birmingham are notices saying – “No white’s in this area after 7pm

            This is a report from the Gatestone Institute…
            (Gatestone Institute, a non-partisan, not-for-profit international policy council and think tank is dedicated to educating the public about what the mainstream media fails to report in promoting)

            Report

            Not exactly all Right wing twaddle!

            But make of it what you will.

            I will say one thing that if it is happening, which according to several sources it appears to be, then the mainstream serious media are keeping very quite about it and that alone I find but passing strange!

            But it is worthwhile mentioning that sharia infliction efforts in Blighty is seemingly just a continuation of a European wide trend…

            this is a page with a link to streets in Paris where no go zones are actually in force apparently

            But this information seems to be a few years old…so?

            Nice post, good research, Jon; no way the useful idiots for Islam will have their cognitive bias challenged, though. To much to expect them to bother to read your links!

          • In reply to #22 by Jon Snow:

            In reply to #19 by mrDNA:_

            Right wing twaddle. ?

            not really

            From the Wikipedia entry about the Assyrian International News Agency:

            Adam H. Becker of New York University[8] gives the AINA web site as an example of “those published by either ecclesiastical or nationalist-ethnic” Syriac Christian organizations who promote Assyrian continuity claims.

            A Southern Poverty Law Center report noted that on Feb. 13, 2008 AINA published an essay by anti-Muslim militant P. David Gaubatz, in which he claimed that “[T]he political ideology of winning over the West and the world for an Islamic Caliphate is NOT specific to some extremist group of Muslims. This is mainstream Islam and Shari’a”.


            This is a report from the Gatestone Institute…
            (Gatestone Institute, a non-partisan, not-for-profit international policy council and think tank is dedicated to educating the public about what the mainstream media fails to report in promoting)

            Report

            Not exactly all Right wing twaddle!

            Something calling itself the Right Web had this to say about the mysterious Gatestone Institute:

            …According to one account, the institute was founded sometime around 2011 by Nina Rosenwald, an heiress of the Sears Roebuck empire who has been a key philanthropic backer of anti-Muslim groups and individuals in the United States. Describing Gatestone’s origins, journalist Max Blumenthal writes: “Through her affiliation with the Washington-based Hudson Institute, where Norman Podhoretz is an adjunct fellow, Rosenwald established a branch of the think tank in New York City. Operating under the Hudson banner, Rosenwald brought [the controversial anti-Islam Dutch politician Geert Wilders] to town in 2008 to warn against the Muslim plot to ‘rule the world by the sword.’

            So the institute is on friendly terms with the neo-Nazi Mr Wilders in spite of its puffery about being “a non-partisan, not-for-profit international policy council and think tank… dedicated to educating the public about what the mainstream media fails to report in promoting”.

            mr DNA’s comment about right-wing twaddle would seem to be spot on.

            On all the lamposts in Alum Rock and Ward End (100% asian populated mainly muslim) in Birmingham are notices saying – “No white’s in this area after 7pm

            Proof indeed of what you and others claim. I withdraw everything I previously said. I’ve never read a graffito that I didn’t take absolutely seriously. I never saw that Kilroy guy when I was growing up, but he sure did get around.

          • In reply to #32 by Katy Cordeth:

            On all the lamposts in Alum Rock and Ward End (100% asian populated mainly muslim) in Birmingham are notices saying – “No white’s in this area after 7pm

            Proof indeed of what you and others claim. I withdraw everything I previously said. I’ve never read a graffito that I didn’t take absolutely seriously. I never saw that Kilroy guy when I was growing up, but he sure did get around.

            You aren’t serious are you? I fear you might actually be. Were you expecting official council notices or something?

            There are places where white people simply cannot go. There are actually organised groups who actively patrol “their” areas.

          • In reply to #32 by Katy Cordeth:

            In reply to #22 by Jon Snow:In reply to #19 by mrDNA:_Right wing twaddle. ?not reallyFrom the Wikipedia entry about the Assyrian International News Agency:Adam H. Becker of New York University[8] gives the AINA web site as an example of “those published by either ecclesiastical or nationalist-ethnic” Syriac Christian organizations who promote Assyrian continuity claims.A Southern Poverty Law Center report noted that on Feb. 13, 2008 AINA published an essay by anti-Muslim militant P. David Gaubatz, in which he claimed that “[T]he political ideology of winning over the West and the world for an Islamic Caliphate is NOT specific to some extremist group of Muslims. This is mainstream Islam and Shari’a”.This is a report from the Gatestone Institute… (Gatestone Institute, a non-partisan, not-for-profit international policy council and think tank is dedicated to educating the public about what the mainstream media fails to report in promoting)ReportNot exactly all Right wing twaddle!Something calling itself the Right Web had this to say about the mysterious Gatestone Institute:…According to one account, the institute was founded sometime around 2011 by Nina Rosenwald, an heiress of the Sears Roebuck empire who has been a key philanthropic backer of anti-Muslim groups and individuals in the United States. Describing Gatestone’s origins, journalist Max Blumenthal writes: “Through her affiliation with the Washington-based Hudson Institute, where Norman Podhoretz is an adjunct fellow, Rosenwald established a branch of the think tank in New York City. Operating under the Hudson banner, Rosenwald brought [the controversial anti-Islam Dutch politician Geert Wilders] to town in 2008 to warn against the Muslim plot to ‘rule the world by the sword.’So the institute is on friendly terms with the neo-Nazi Mr Wilders in spite of its puffery about being “a non-partisan, not-for-profit international policy council and think tank… dedicated to educating the public about what the mainstream media fails to report in promoting”.mr DNA’s comment about right-wing twaddle would seem to be spot on.On all the lamposts in Alum Rock and Ward End (100% asian populated mainly muslim) in Birmingham are notices saying – “No white’s in this area after 7pmProof indeed of what you and others claim. I withdraw everything I previously said. I’ve never read a graffito that I didn’t take absolutely seriously. I never saw that Kilroy guy when I was growing up, but he sure did get around.

            I lived in Ward End a couple of years ago on the Washwood Heath Road – I’m very white and 100% not muslim. Must have missed the notices – silly me – and seriously messed up the 100% Asian population statistics. However it is meant to be one of the spookiest places in Brum so maybe the ghosts or aliens placed them there?.

          • In reply to #32 by Katy Cordeth:

            In reply to #22 by Jon Snow:

            In reply to #19 by mrDNA:_

            Right wing twaddle. ?

            not really

            From the Wikipedia entry about the Assyrian International News Agency:

            Adam H. Becker of New York University[8] gives the AINA web site as an example of “those published by either ecclesiastical or nationalist-ethnic” Syriac Christian organizations who promote Assyrian continuity claims.

            A Southern Poverty Law Center report noted that on Feb. 13, 2008 AINA published an essay by anti-Muslim militant P. David Gaubatz, in which he claimed that “[T]he political ideology of winning over the West and the world for an Islamic Caliphate is NOT specific to some extremist group of Muslims. This is mainstream Islam and Shari’a”.

            This is a report from the Gatestone Institute…
            (Gatestone Institute, a non-partisan, not-for-profit international policy council and think tank is dedicated to educating the public about what the mainstream media fails to report in promoting)

            Report

            Not exactly all Right wing twaddle!

            Something calling itself the Right Web had this to say about the mysterious Gatestone Institute:

            …According to one account, the institute was founded sometime around 2011 by Nina Rosenwald, an heiress of the Sears Roebuck empire who has been a key philanthropic backer of anti-Muslim groups and individuals in the United States. Describing Gatestone’s origins, journalist Max Blumenthal writes: “Through her affiliation with the Washington-based Hudson Institute, where Norman Podhoretz is an adjunct fellow, Rosenwald established a branch of the think tank in New York City. Operating under the Hudson banner, Rosenwald brought [the controversial anti-Islam Dutch politician Geert Wilders] to town in 2008 to warn against the Muslim plot to ‘rule the world by the sword.’

            So the institute is on friendly terms with the neo-Nazi Mr Wilders in spite of its puffery about being “a non-partisan, not-for-profit international policy council and think tank… dedicated to educating the public about what the mainstream media fails to report in promoting”.

            mr DNA’s comment about right-wing twaddle would seem to be spot on.

            On all the lamposts in Alum Rock and Ward End (100% asian populated mainly muslim) in Birmingham are notices saying – “No white’s in this area after 7pm

            Proof indeed of what you and others claim. I withdraw everything I previously said. I’ve never read a graffito that I didn’t take absolutely seriously. I never saw that Kilroy guy when I was growing up, but he sure did get around.

            Southern Poverty Law Centre

            http://www.thesocialcontract.com/answering_our_critics/southern_poverty_law_center_splc_info.html

            Seems to have done good work in the past but now “in it for the money”; the founder Morris Dees is of highly questionable character

          • In reply to #19 by mr_DNA:

            Right wing twaddle. Do you live in Britain?
            I wouldn’t take anything the DailyMail prints seriously.
            I’m no fan of Islam but it is a gross misrepresentation of British society to say that there are “Islamic no go areas”. Can you name where these supposed areas are?
            I taught in Newham for ten years in an area that is 80 % muslim and I did not once feel threatened or intimidated in any way.
            The story you are talking about originated in the east end of London and was dealt with promptly by the police.
            Quite frankly I think brandishing all Muslims as being of the same mindset is neither accurate or useful.

            Come up north to the Pakistani areas of Rochdale and Oldham and tell me that’s right wing twaddle.

          • In reply to #19 by mr_DNA:

            Right wing twaddle. Do you live in Britain?
            I wouldn’t take anything the DailyMail prints seriously.
            I’m no fan of Islam but it is a gross misrepresentation of British society to say that there are “Islamic no go areas”. Can you name where these supposed areas are?
            I taught in Newham for ten years in an area that is 80 % muslim and I did not once feel threatened or intimidated in any way.
            The story you are talking about originated in the east end of London and was dealt with promptly by the police.
            Quite frankly I think brandishing all Muslims as being of the same mindset is neither accurate or useful.
            I

            In reply to #11 by Nodhimmi:

            In reply to #8 by kbala:

            True indeed. I hope Britannia cures herself of the nasty parasites a.k.a religions and leads the path for others. First it was christianity crippling her progress, now it is islam, hinduism and other frigging third world cults!

            In reply to #7 by Le-Bonzz:

            Malala is a shinning beacon of inspiring light to young woman all around the world fighting for basic equal rights.
            And for the first time in a long long time I have had a sense of being proud to be British.

            Birmingham over 20% muslim, many other cities with Islamic no-go areas; Britain is well on the way to the cure…

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020382/You-entering-Sharia-law-Britain-As-Islamic-extremists-declare-Sharia-law-zone-London-suburb-worrying-social-moral-implications.html

            I note you shout your mouth off whilst dismissing the evidence put before you- which is a very Islamic thing to do! You sure you’re “not a fan of Islam”?

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    I must amend somewhat the comment about Ziauddin, Malala’s father, praising Allah.

    i think he was causght by the interviewer at a time of great strain, understandably so!
    I think is was more a kneejerk comment given the circumstances.

    I went surfing for the original comment and failed to find it.
    But apparently Ziauddin has been appointed by the Pakistani consulate in Birmingham..

    Mr Ziauddin Yousafzai will function as head of the education section under head of the mission,” the commission said. “The president had also directed high commissioner Mr Wajid Shamsul Hasan to look after all the needs of Malala, and discuss with Mr Yousafzai a mode for financial sustenance and accommodation of the family.”

    I believe the Pakistani government are paying all costs for education and maintainence in the meantime.

    Ziauddin was an educated man and in fact a teacher in the swat valley area when this occured and apparently has lobbied for a free education system for several years as somewhat of an activist…maybe a clue as to why Malala was targetted in the first place.
    Swat valley is crawling with taliban wannabees apparently

    Certainly Malala has a seeming ongoing faith thanking everyone for their prayers and well wishes several times.
    But the insidiousness of religion anywhere in the world comes to the fore in this case…because no matter what hardship or damage religion does, it is never blamed by the victims.
    I expect so steeped in the atmosphere of Islam there are seemingly few that would step outside it to condemn.

    • Well said that man! The word has lost much currency since 11 September when every and all police & firemen automatically became “heros.”

      Malala was actually doing something heroic, not her well paid and safe government job.

      In reply to #14 by crookedshoes:

      Hero.

    • Head scarfs are OK, as long as it’s the woman’s choice. Actually, I’ve seen some colorful scarves that were quite attractive and fashionable. Also, it may hide the scarring a bit which may be helpful to her self image.

      In reply to #17 by Alternative Carpark:

      How about ditching the headscarf?

      • In reply to #24 by Katy Cordeth:

        How about not trying to dictate what someone else gets to wear?

        Exactly right! Because she wears it completely of her own volition and hasn’t been influenced by religious doctrine at all…….

    • In reply to #17 by Alternative Carpark:

      How about ditching the headscarf?

      Given the hair is exposed I doubt it is Islamic so much as covering up scarring or hair regrowth. She had a titanium plate put in her skull I think.

      Michael

      • Regardless of her faith , she displays courage , her actions support personal freedoms in the face of tyranny , and she is well put together; rational , thoughtful and well read. And she is only 15 years old.

        In reply to #28 by Nodhimmi:

        In reply to #21 by Pauly01:

        Such an articulate, steady young lady. Well done!

        Yes, she’s a gem; shame about her belief system

  5. Great to see her fully recovered, believing what she wants and wearing what she wants. I hope the British tax payer is paying for It, I wouldn’t begrudge her my contribution and who knows maybe the Noble Peace prize might help fund her University education.
    My only concern when watching this story on the beeb last night was why on earth are they telling the whole world which school she is going to.

  6. In reply to #33 by Virgin Mary:

    What I was getting at is that is unless claims such as Jon’s On all the lamposts in Alum Rock and Ward End (100% asian populated mainly muslim) in Birmingham are notices saying – “No white’s in this area after 7pm” are accompanied by a citation, I tend to take them with a grain of salt. Given that every single streetlight in Alum Rock and Ward End is adorned with one of these signs, you’d think someone would have gone to the trouble to take a photograph and post it online. A brief search at Google Images yields no results.

    I’m more than willing to be proved wrong, but given this is a website devoted to clear thinking and rationality, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask for a little proof in these matters. My guess is some knobhead put up a few of these idiotic signs on a couple of streets – it may have been a Muslim knobhead or a white racist knobhead trying to stir up anti-Muslim sentiment; I don’t know – but then the Chinese whispers began and before you know it, it’s common knowledge that every item of street furniture in Birmingham proclaims the city to be a whites-free zone.

    The bigots on both sides don’t try to dispel the myth because it doesn’t serve their purpose to do so, and we’ve allowed a moron with an inkjet to precipitate a holy war. All because nobody took the trouble to do a little fact checking.

    As I say, though, if the lampposts in Alum Rock and Ward End, with its 100% non-white demographic (hmm), is completely dominated by these signs, I will hold up my hands and apologise. Perhaps a member of our little family of non-believers here at RDnet who happens to live in or near that area could confirm it one way or another.

    Maybe, you know, go outside and have a look… before 7 pm, for God’s sake!!

    Who new Muslims were the vampires? I thought it was Jews who consumed human blood. You live and learn.


    Edit: Sorry, atheistengineer, I didn’t see your comment before I posted this one. I’m glad you managed to escape that sink of evil with your life.

    • In reply to #39 by Katy Cordeth:

      In reply to #33 by Virgin Mary:What I was getting at is that is unless claims such as Jon’s On all the lamposts in Alum Rock and Ward End (100% asian populated mainly muslim) in Birmingham are notices saying – “No white’s in this area after 7pm” are accompanied by a citation, I tend to take them with a grain of salt. Given that every single streetlight in Alum Rock and Ward End is adorned with one of these signs, you’d think someone would have gone to the trouble to take a photograph and post it online. A brief search at Google Images yields no results.I’m more than willing to be proved wrong, but given this is a website devoted to clear thinking and rationality, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask for a little proof in these matters. My guess is some knobhead put up a few of these idiotic signs on a couple of streets – it may have been a Muslim knobhead or a white racist knobhead trying to stir up anti-Muslim sentiment; I don’t know – but then the Chinese whispers began and before you know it, it’s common knowledge that every item of street furniture in Birmingham proclaims the city to be a whites-free zone.The bigots on both sides don’t try to dispel the myth because it doesn’t serve their purpose to do so, and we’ve allowed a moron with an inkjet to precipitate a holy war.

      Agreed! Do you know what, when I lived in Ward End, yes there was a knobhead demographic just like there is in any area. In other places I’ve lived there have also been knobhead demographics. And guess what united ALL these similar knobhead demographics? Not religion – from atheist to muslim and everything in between, same old scary knobheads. Not race – no – I’ve met asian, white and black dickheads! What they all had in common was being disaffected young males in areas of relative disadvantage.

      Now I’m not sure if anyones bothered to study that before leaping onto the Islamic bandwagon, because in Ward End they may be Muslims, in other areas they are their opposite numbers in the EDL or BNP, elsewhere based on post code. Most of them are just disaffected young males. Their labels are different but its the same old crap. Disadvantaged and waiting for the Anjem Chouderys or NIck Griffins to come along and give a purpose to their violence.

      Perhaps if the comfy bigots on both sides noticed that we’d get somewhere? What actually scares women the most when walkilng home late at night? Or what makes an area a no go area for any specific population?More often than not it’s groups of disaffected young males thats what. I don’t really care whether it’s Allah, race, politics, porn or even the selfish gene that’s the excuse when I’m terrified of being attacked late at night.

      As for chinese whispers – at no time did Birmingham City Council decide to change christmas to winterville to appease the so called rampant muslim mobs either, yet that story spread like wildfire.

      All because nobody took the trouble to do a little fact checking.As I say, though, if the lampposts in Alum Rock and Ward End, with its 100% non-white demographic (hmm), is completely dominated by these signs, I will hold up my hands and apologise. Perhaps a member of our little family of non-believers here at RDnet who happens to live in or near that area could confirm it one way or another.Maybe, you know, go outside and have a look… before 7 pm, for God’s sake!!Who new Muslims were the vampires? I thought it was Jews who consumed human blood. You live and learn.

      Well I don’t think anyone is going to believe this but the Muslims in Ward End and elsewhere that I’ve met – they were all different. Just like every other group of people in every other city. Some absolutely brilliant lovely people, some sexist arseholes. Just like you find everywhere including this website. Tarring every Muslim, Christian, Catholic or Atheist with the same brush isn’t helpful at all..

      Edit: Sorry, atheistengineer, I didn’t see your comment before I posted this one. I’m glad you managed to escape that sink of evil with your life.

      Thanks it was hell, do you know in some of the shops were vegetables I’d never seen before.

  7. In reply to #32 by Katy Cordeth:

    Well Katy I do bow to your legendary cyber’net fu..and I admit I have never heard of this AINA or for that matter the Gatestone Institute…I did mention in my post that folks should make of it what they will…I am not overly sold on the veracity of either organizations but they seem to be the only one carrying this report, which given its content and the obvious reluctance of the main stream publications seems to be a default premise.
    That no one else touches it…or touched it at the time is indicative of the content I would think.

    It is the report I want to concentrate on, it mentions a hate group ‘Muslims Against the Crusades’.

    This group was banned by Teresa May for their hate against the West promotion campaign.

    a Blaze article

    This bunch of idiots have initiated a plan called ‘The Islamic Emirates Project’

    The only comment I can make is that they do actually exist as a pressure group.
    To be fair the Muslim council of Great Britain has condemned them a few times, but seems they are powerless when it comes to disbanding them.
    The core is estimated at maybe a 100 dedicated but figures vary.
    So all in all they are a minority of a minority.

    They had a website under the banner of ‘Muslims Against the Crusades’ but it seems to have morphed into a repressed Muslim pornographic hub with no discenible outward links…
    It seems MAC went by another name…’Islam4UK’ in an attempt to circumnavigate the legalities.
    This is not to be confused with ‘Muslims4UK’ which is a group dedicated to cordial inter-dialogue.

    But onwards the report author…Soeren Kern

    Again no idea who he is but his biography seems quite extensive but possibly a bit of padding here and there does wonders.

    His reports, he seems to have several on different countries, are reasonably written and seems to contain information beyond a ‘pluck it out ya bum’ kind!

    It is so much that it is difficult to check every snippet he reports.
    So far. after randomly checking several pages, I have come across few factual errors of name or place…so make of that what ya will.

    I concur with you that the institute is a mysterious entity, a glance at the board and staff members gives the game away in no uncertain way…I did not see it before but very true right wing seems to sum it up!

    Why is only the right wing media reporting on this no go area phenomena…I mean apart from the obvious…?

    That does give me pause to consider, if it was a real problem beyond a few righteous fuck heads, then surely the nationals would lap it up!

    I do think there is a movement that promotes and encourages the attitude to introduce sharia as the be all and end all in Blighty, but I also think it is a pissant tiny minority with few scruples and no brains.

    The question is…are they getting support and increasing membership for their jihad.

    That is a question I cannot answer.

  8. Nodhimmi

    Not really. I don’t regard statements made by right wing newspapers or racist think tanks as evidence of anything.
    I’ve been working so don’t take my late reply as signifying I’ve backed out my argument.
    I’ve not denied that some of these incidents haven’t happened. I’ve seen an interview with the clowns in question in east London ( there seemed to be about five in the whole group ).
    What I deny is your hysterical statement that there are white no go areas in UK Cities or that a significant number of muslims want sharia law in the UK.
    Give me evidence please? Not links to race hate think tanks or the daily Mail.

    In answer to your question no I don’t respect any religion but I am a humanist for whom the truth matters; I don’t demonise or generalise about people especially as my personal experience with muslims as people (North and south, I actually live in the North too Mary) has been good.
    I’m also aware of the threat posed by Islam and understand that there are areas with ethnic tensions in the UK which have the potential to boil over.

    Lets put this another way; I’d be far more worried about walking certain areas of Belfast than Oldham or Bradford ( taught there a while too and Leeds) . I don’t know if that concern would be justified, may be somebody from Belfast might be offended by that.

  9. i’ve got this great idea.
    On the surface this appears to be a good news story. So rare these days, wouldn’t it be better if we could derail it with lots of squabbling and petty points scoring. Said he points scoring :)

  10. One more thing while I am in full rant: The percentage of Muslims living in the UK is 4.8 %
    So put things in perspective. Even if every single muslim (even the Telegraph thinks its actually 40% according to their poll) wanted Sharia law in the UK there would be 95.2 % in opposition.

    • In reply to #45 by mr_DNA:

      One more thing while I am in full rant: The percentage of Muslims living in the UK is 4.8 %
      So put things in perspective. Even if every single muslim (even the Telegraph thinks its actually 40% according to their poll) wanted Sharia law in the UK there would be 95.2 % in opposition.

      We have Sharia courts in the UK.

      • In reply to #47 by Virgin Mary:

        In reply to #45 by mr_DNA:

        We have Sharia courts in the UK.

        Yes, and the US has Judge Judy. She’s not a Supreme Court Justice though.

        Most magistrates in the UK are just weirdos with too much time on their hands and zero knowledge of the law. All the serious stuff is handled by people who know what they’re talking about (in principle, anyway).

        I believe mr_DNA was talking about the nationwide implementation of Sharia.

        • In reply to #48 by Katy Cordeth:

          Yes, and the US has Judge Judy. She’s not a Supreme Court Justice though.

          Hilarious! The abhorrent, discriminatory nature of the Sharia Courts and Muslim Arbitration Tribunals now operating in parts of the UK has been highlighted, time and again, by the (left-leaning) One Law For All Campaign.

          So, before you trivialise further the affront to equality and human rights that these Islamic bodies represent, you might wish to do a bit of further reading.

      • Thats civil law. Just like Rabinic civil law which we also have. Both parties have to agree to take part and the decisions are not legally binding in the way law courts are.
        Come to think about it the Telegraph might be fudging this too. It could be that the poll they undertook related to civil law not criminal law.

        In reply to #47 by Virgin Mary:

        In reply to #45 by mr_DNA:

        One more thing while I am in full rant: The percentage of Muslims living in the UK is 4.8 %
        So put things in perspective. Even if every single muslim (even the Telegraph thinks its actually 40% according to their poll) wanted Sharia law in the UK there would be 95.2 % in opposition.

        We have Sharia courts in the UK.

    • In reply to #45 by mr_DNA:

      So put things in perspective. Even if every single muslim (even the Telegraph thinks its actually 40% according to their poll) wanted Sharia law in the UK there would be 95.2 % in opposition.

      In terms of support for Sharia implementation in the UK, the best information I’m aware of (there is very little to choose from) comes from the 2007 report by the (right leaning) Policy Exchange. This put the overall figure of support for Sharia at 28%, but found that younger Muslims were much more likely to be in favour than their parents: 37% of 18 – 24 year olds were in favour, compared to only 17% of those over 55.

      It would be reassuring (and perhaps something of a vindication of whatever you’d like to call the UK’s current attitude towards cultural diversity) if those figures were reversed, and it was the older Muslims that were more likely to be Sharia enthusiasts, but that does not appear to be the situation in which we find ourselves.

  11. There it is! I’ve been predicting this for a long time and it has finally happened. £2 million book deal.

    I really don’t want to dislike this girl but until someone finds me a quote of her thanking the doctors who’ve saved her live I will continue to do so.

    • In reply to #54 by Virgin Mary:

      There it is! I’ve been predicting this for a long time and it has finally happened. £2 million book deal.

      I really don’t want to dislike this girl but until someone finds me a quote of her thanking the doctors who’ve saved her live I will continue to do so.

      You mean this didn’t quite do it for you either?:

      “Today, you can see that I am alive. I can speak, I can see you, I can see everyone,” Malala said. “It’s just because of the prayers of people. Because all people – men, women, children – all of them have prayed for me. And because of all these prayers God has given me this new life, a second life.”

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