Vatican denies Dirty War allegations against Pope

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The Vatican has denied that Pope Francis failed to speak out against human rights abuses during military rule in his native Argentina.

The Vatican has denied that Pope Francis failed to speak out against human rights abuses during military rule in his native Argentina.

“There has never been a credible, concrete accusation against him,” said Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi, adding he had never been charged.

The spokesman blamed the accusations on “anti-clerical left-wing elements that are used to attack the Church”.

Jorge Bergoglio, now Pope Francis, led Argentina’s Jesuits under the junta.

Correspondents say that like other Latin American churchmen of the time, he had to contend, on the one hand, with a repressive right-wing regime and, on the other, a wing of his Church leaning towards political activism on the left.

One allegation concerns the abduction in 1976 of two Jesuits by Argentina’s military government, suspicious of their work among slum-dwellers.

As the priests’ provincial superior at the time, Jorge Bergoglio was accused by some of having failed to shield them from arrest – a charge his office flatly denied.

Judges investigating the arrest and torture of the two men – who were freed after five months – questioned Cardinal Bergoglio as a witness in 2010.

The new Pope’s official biographer, Sergio Rubin, argues that the Jesuit leader “took extraordinary, behind-the-scenes action to save them”.

Another accusation levelled against him from the Dirty War era is that he failed to follow up a request to help find the baby of a woman kidnapped when five months’ pregnant pregnant and killed in 1977. It is believed the baby was illegally adopted.

The cardinal testified in 2010 that he had not known about baby thefts until well after the junta fell – a claim relatives dispute.

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26 COMMENTS

  1. The spokesman blamed the accusations on “anti-clerical left-wing elements that are used to attack the Church”. … Correspondents say that like other Latin American churchmen of the time, he had to contend, on the one hand, with a repressive right-wing regime and, on the other, a wing of his Church leaning towards political activism on the left.

    So the Church was left-wing, but so are those accusing it of having aided right-wingers it opposed? I’m rather sceptical of that.

    • In reply to #1 by Jos Gibbons:

      So the Church was left-wing, but so are those accusing it of having aided right-wingers it opposed?I
      ‘m rather sceptical of that.

      It makes sense if you consider the church is in fact closet right winger fans…

      Which given their modus operandi in all things…seems highy likely…and not so closeted actually!

  2. The Jesuits had little faith in Bergoglio, especially after the arrests of two of their priests. The Jesuits are the accusers of Pope Francis and if you can’t trust the word of a priest, who in Catholicism can you trust. Apparently not the Pope. It’s his word against the word of the Jesuit order. They have no reason to lie and jeopardize papal infallibility.

  3. Surprise surprise.

    “Adolfo Pérez Esquivel said Bergoglio had nothing to do with it. Julio Strassera said Bergoglio had nothing to do with it. The one surviving Jesuit priest who was kidnapped said Bergoglio had nothing to do with it.” I didn’t read the article but I’m assuming those were 3 points made because those are the 3 points that his sympathisers ALWAYS make.

    When every last piece of paper with his name on it disappears (irony intended) and he himself has admitted to being complicit with the ruling Generals I’d hasten to guess that he was right there in the thick of it.

    “I wanted to try and relieve some of the excessive force used from within”, my fat hairy arse! (Read that sentence how ever you please).

    This makes me so fucking angry it is untrue! Lying duplicitous bastards the lot of them!!!

  4. Pope Francis, CIA and ‘Death Squads’

    “Indeed, the predominant role of the Church hierarchy – from the Vatican to the bishops in the individual countries – was to give political cover to the slaughter and to offer little protection to the priests and nuns who advocated “liberation theology,” i.e. the belief that Jesus did not just favor charity to the poor but wanted a just society that shared wealth and power with the poor.”

  5. A lot of the accusations seems more fairly aimed at the last pope, not the current one. Bergoglio gives every impression of mostly keeping his head down and not making waves. There is nothing evil about not wanting to commit suicide, or giving into peer pressure. Nor with publicly compromising with your private principles to accomplish the most you can under difficult circumstances, if indeed that is what happened.

    What should be condemned is his apparently lack of interest in making waves when he doesn’t have a gun to his head. As well as his bigoted attitude towards women and homosexuals of both genders, and the fact he has yet to publicly mention child abuse. If that continues for more than a month or two, then we’ll know exactly what kind of pope he is.

    One that keeps his head down and doesn’t want to make waves.

    • In reply to #8 by ANTIcarrot:

      Bergoglio gives every impression of mostly keeping his head down and not making waves. There is nothing evil about not wanting to commit suicide, or giving into peer pressure. Nor with publicly compromising with your private principles to accomplish the most you can under difficult circumstances, if indeed that is what happened.

      Christian martyrdom isn’t what it used to be.

      Call me old fashioned, but I thought that it was the ultimate goal to follow the illustrious JC and dying for the cause. I mean, worst case scenario, he would’ve been fast tracked to paradise.

      Saying that, surely the omnipotent one would’ve protected it’s future bishop of Rome from the harm of the devil men had Franky had the cajones to speak up.

      Incidentally, Franky is accused of actively grassing up some of his underlings to the Junta, so it is a bit more than just not making waves.

      • In reply to #10 by Ignorant Amos:

        In reply to #8 by ANTIcarrot:
        Christian martyrdom isn’t what it used to be.

        Call me old fashioned, but I thought that it was the ultimate goal to follow the illustrious JC and dying for the cause. I mean, worst case scenario, he would’ve been fast tracked to paradise.

        The Catholic Church lost the passion for personal sacrifice as their lust for wealth increased. Now that they are wealthy beyond god’s wildest dreams, they have passed the banner of sacrifice to the faithful of Islam with the promise of 72 virgins as eternal reward. Christianity hasn’t much use for women nor does Islam. The reward of virgins is like offering American Indians beads & trinkets for their land & services. Their martyrdom comes at cost price compared to the Christian martyr.

  6. The spokesman blamed the accusations on “anti-clerical left-wing elements that are used to attack the Church”.

    Jorge Bergoglio, now Pope Francis, led Argentina’s Jesuits under the junta.

    It is well known that many critics of the Junta and its clerical apologists, were well to the left of Genghis Khan!

    This is just history repeating itself. The RCC supported Franco against “anti-clerical” Spanish liberal reformers , and RCC dogmas and stooges, were allowed to dominate the laws and education system in return for supporting the fascist regime!
    Those who take an interest in history, might also note the relationship between Mussolini and the Vatican!

  7. In reply to #4 by Stafford Gordon:

    The Pope is the same as everyone else, as a matter of principle, innocent until proved guilty.

    Using that concept Hitler, as a matter of principle, is innocent until proved guilty. He was never tried in abstentia.

  8. “One of the charges is that Francis was complicit in the kidnapping of two Jesuit priests with antigovernment views whom he had dismissed from the order a week before.”

    One wonders why they were dismissed by Francis in the first place. Then, by coincidence, they were scooped by the military not a week later.

    “Father Jalics was said to be on a spiritual retreat in his native Hungary and could not immediately be reached.”

    How convenient.

  9. We didn’t really expect to see the headline:

    Vatican admits dirty war allegations are true!

    The RCC has a long and conspicuous record of belly rubbing fascist organisations and governments. That’s how the vatican came into being and also one of the reasons Hitler came to power.

    • In reply to #14 by Vorlund:

      The RCC has a long and conspicuous record of belly rubbing fascist organisations and governments. That’s how the vatican came into being and also one of the reasons Hitler came to power.

      Indeed…here’s what the prick had to say on the anniversary of the Falklands War…

      “On the 30th anniversary of the Falklands War last year at a special mass in Buenos Aires, the then Archbishop Jorge Bergoglio praised the Argentinian forces who died following the invasion in 1982.”

      “He stated they “went out to defend their mother, the homeland, to reclaim what is theirs”. He went on to say the British re-conquest under the Thatcher government was “usurpation.”

      He certainly knows when and where to keep his feckin’ gob shut. It certainly sounds like he supported the Junta to me.

      BTW…on a referendum on self determination, “… a turnout of 92%, 99.8% voted to remain a British territory, with only three votes against.”

      • In reply to #15 by Ignorant Amos:

        “He stated they “went out to defend their mother, the homeland, to reclaim what is theirs”. He went on to say the British re-conquest under the Thatcher government was “usurpation.”

        WTF is a re-conquest ? Is that like the Allies re-conquest of the Normandy beaches in 1944 ?

        Michael

  10. Whatever Holy Jo’s role in the Junta was, it’s quite clear what his attitude towards the majority of the human race, who are NOT Catholics, is. We are in league with the devil and hell bound!

    I mean why should he give a toss about a couple of leftie priests, a few “missing” people, compared with the 6 billion or so non-Catholics headed for the fiery place?

    As for all this window dressing about being in love with poverty and humble, why the hell does his loving Jesus tolerate a world of poverty and injustice in the first place? I mean the carpenter is omnipotent, – isn’t He?

    • In reply to #16 by Mr DArcy:

      As for all this window dressing about being in love with poverty and humble, why the hell does his loving Jesus tolerate a world of poverty and injustice in the first place? I mean the carpenter is omnipotent, – isn’t He?

      Exactly…let’s see him dress in sack cloth and help alleviate poverty by opening the Vatican coffers and giving away the RCC’s wealth, wealth that they accumulated from the impoverished gullible.

      I won’t be holding my breath though.

  11. The catholic church has always tried to back the winning side, during the so-call famine in Ireland the catholic church went along with the british genocide that saw the death of millions of Irish people. Elsalvedor the same thing the church backed the oppressive right wing side. I wouldn’t be surprised if old bergoglio has some scandal in.his.past.

    • In reply to #18 by Dublin-atheist:

      The catholic church has always tried to back the winning side, during the so-call famine in Ireland the catholic church went along with the british genocide that saw the death of millions of Irish people. Elsalvedor the same thing the church backed the oppressive right wing side. I wouldn’t be surprised if old bergoglio has some scandal in.his.past.

      I didn’t know about their support of the potato famine. Bastards. After the potato famine there were lots of orphans in Ireland (strange about that!) who got shipped out to Australia. At least two of my great grandmothers were among them.

      Sorry back on topic. I think the key to the RCC is to forget all the religious mumbo-jumbo and to think of them as a political organisation that has survived two thousand years and has every intention of surviving another two thousand years. Something like the Bene Gesserit or The Guild. Politics is what they are about and the rest is a smoke screen.

      Michael

    • In reply to #18 by Dublin-atheist:

      The catholic church has always tried to back the winning side, during the so-call famine in Ireland the catholic church went along with the british genocide that saw the death of millions of Irish people. Elsalvedor the same thing the church backed the oppressive right wing side. I wouldn’t be surprised if old bergoglio has some scandal in.his.past.

      british genocide? sounds like the kind of unsubstantiated, conspiracy theory, wing-nut comment that most of us here tend to avoid…

      millions of dead Irish people? the highest figure I can find online is a million dead directly/indirectly from the potato blight and subsequent famine.

      catholic church backing winning side? both Hitler and Mussolini were baptised Catholics (their beliefs thereafter swayed back and forth) and both regimes certainly garnered and frequently obtained the support of the RCC – the Lateran Pact being a prime example.

      Al

      • In reply to #27 by alonthemed:

        In reply to #18 by Dublin-atheist:

        The catholic church has always tried to back the winning side, during the so-call famine in Ireland the catholic church went along with the british genocide that saw the death of millions of Irish people. Elsalvedor the same thing the church backed the oppressive right wing side. I wouldn’t be surprised if old bergoglio has some scandal in.his.past.

        british genocide? sounds like the kind of unsubstantiated, conspiracy theory, wing-nut comment that most of us here tend to avoid…

        millions of dead Irish people? the highest figure I can find online is a million dead directly/indirectly from the potato blight and subsequent famine.

        catholic church backing winning side? both Hitler and Mussolini were baptised Catholics (their beliefs thereafter swayed back and forth) and both regimes certainly garnered and frequently obtained the support of the RCC – the Lateran Pact being a prime example.

        Indeed…know yer history is always a good starting point…it was a pope that gave the green light for the invasion of Ireland by the NORMANS in the first place. All things being equal, perhaps it was the RCC god that caused the blight in the first place.

        • Indeed…know yer history is always a good starting point…

          Absolutely Amos.

          However…..History is taught differently depending on the viewpoint of the “teacher”. Different countries teach their own “history” as our atheist friend in Dublin has proven…Add to this an unhealthy dose of conspiracy-theory acceptance and a lack of willingness to look at the bigger picture and you quickly have a bigot in the making!

          Al

  12. The Catholic church has always been up to their sweaty little armpits in political intrigue, the first folks that get a visit from missionaries are always the top doggies in the area.
    The jeebus besotted always hang around the seat of power and feed off the refuse the king flicks away.

    They might even get lucky and terrorize the king into following their dogma…the rest is easy then.
    This has been their modus operandi since at least the Augustine times.
    They tend not to fuck around with the plebs…they get more bang for their buck with the big boys.

    Hoping that bullshite oozes down hill, which in the main it does!

    So politics has always been their tool, and they play it whenever they can, and still do!
    And no one plays politics better then Arch bishops and Cardinals, cos that is how they become Arch bishops and Cardinals, they understand the game intimately and know when to blackmail and when to fold, very good at it some of them.

    And they always take their winnings, like every dedicated scam artist or card sharp there ever was!

  13. As the priests’ provincial superior at the time, Jorge Bergoglio was accused by some of having failed to shield them from arrest – a charge his office flatly denied.

    There is no evidence – and we have the shredder to prove it !!!!

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