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  1. It will be interesting to see the take up of this film. As with all anti-religious (perceived or not) films, a ban in certain areas would increase interest – just look at Life of Brian and others. Otherwise, it might end up as a DVD quite quickly. I wish it luck, but as something that hasn’t really been done before, I wonder what scope of cinema release it will get.

    • In reply to #1 by bootjangler:

      It will be interesting to see the take up of this film. As with all anti-religious (perceived or not) films, a ban in certain areas would increase interest – just look at Life of Brian and others. Otherwise, it might end up as a DVD quite quickly. I wish it luck, but as something that hasn’t really…

      The Kardashian Movie will probably get a much larger box office… That’s sad…

  2. What annoys me is the fact that is it acceptable within America that the default position for CNN and other new stations to be on, is on the side of religion. The personal opinion of a news reporter would never be welcomed on UK news stations. Was she was just playing devils advocate? I doubt it, but it scares me that US are still far behind a lot of places in Europe and elsewhere regarding a secular status quo.

    • In reply to #2 by JamieKeen:

      What annoys me is the fact that is it acceptable within America that the default position for CNN and other new stations to be on, is on the side of religion.

      It’s like they have to apologize for their guests. Though, as an expert in my culture (as all people are) I don’t know if this indicates religious arrogance or the lukewarm impotence of our media and its tendency to temper everything and put a non-offensive bow on it. Even when partisanship is not the issue, American news media nullifies each story in time for a commercial break. This is so Coca-Cola has nothing to say about their ad appearing so close to godlessness.

    • In reply to #2 by JamieKeen:

      Was she was just playing devil’s advocate? I doubt it, …

      I agree. She wasn’t going to give the professors a chance to respond to that; they only managed to do so by interrupting her.

  3. “… the death throes of religion…” . I found those words in the interview very comforting to hear but it will require constant pushing and intelligent challenging of the religious nonsense we are subjected to from such an early age. In the future I hope we are able to look back upon religion(s) and compare it to Greek/Roman mythology; that is a future worth fighting for. Messrs Dawkins, Krauss et al are doing a wonderful job.

  4. It would be great to see more and more atheist viewpoints on the Sunday morning talk shows. What about Saturday mornings when children are watching? I can envision cartoons and shows the center around scientific discovery and that discuss the mythologies of ancient literature including the mythology of humanity’s saddest idea, that there exists a torturing creator of hell that must be worshiped. Children need lots of reassuring messages that all of these ancient ideas are myths. Pity the poor lot of them who are taught and terrorized by their own parents that the creator of hell exists. How does one soften the blow of the sudden understanding that ones parents are confused by mythology?. Perhaps in dialogues including, “well, when we grow up and finish school, we will know enough to decide for ourselves what to believe…” Also, the idea that everyone is free to believe as they wish to believe should be reinforced.

    • In reply to #5 by Theamologist:

      It would be great to see more and more atheist viewpoints on the Sunday morning talk shows. What about Saturday mornings when children are watching? I can envision cartoons and shows the center around scientific discovery and that discuss the mythologies of ancient literature including the mytho…

      Yeah, imagine that! A cartoon where they debunk the usual superstition with science. That would be incredible! It would be like Scooby Doo, but not the ridiculous ones where there were real ghosts, but the ones where they looked at and followed the evidence to the rational conclusion.

      • In reply to #16 by BananasForEveryone:

        In reply to #5 by Theamologist:

        It would be great to see more and more atheist viewpoints on the Sunday morning talk shows. What about Saturday mornings when children are watching? I can envision cartoons and shows the center around scientific discovery and that discuss the mythologies of ancien…

        It’s time for American medias to stop hiding behind metaphorical myth-busting, such as Scooby Doo, and start flat-out telling people that what they believe was created by dictators, and can be disproven by science.

    • Remember The Magic School Bus” circa 1994??It provided some of the impetus for my son to pursue the Sciences. jcw

      In reply to #5 by Theamologist:

      What about Saturday mornings when children are watching? I can envision cartoons and shows the center around scientific discovery

  5. There is only one reason to teach children that “faith without evidence is a virtue” and it has nothing to do with some holy cause. Teaching that authority figures are never to be questioned is how dictatorships slowly creep into Democratic societies. With religion, it’s easy, because they’re taught that the one never to be questioned is a “god”, whose magnificent mind is millions of times too complex than the feeble human mind, so never even bother disputing it(or what book claims to be ‘it’). Believers of religions have bought into a lie that was created and perfected by humans seeking domination. Simple humans, who -do- stoop to forgery.

    • In reply to #6 by mmarieden:

      There is only one reason to teach children that “faith without evidence is a virtue” and it has nothing to do with some holy cause. Teaching that authority figures are never to be questioned is how dictatorships slowly creep into Democratic societies. With religion, it’s easy, because they’re taught…

      When I read this, I thought about the time, when I was about 17 or 18, when i questioned by dad about other religions… “Because THEY ARE WRONG!”, as he pounded his hand on the steering wheel. That honestly helped me see the folly of belief.

      • In reply to #17 by BananasForEveryone:

        In reply to #6 by mmarieden:

        There is only one reason to teach children that “faith without evidence is a virtue” and it has nothing to do with some holy cause. Teaching that authority figures are never to be questioned is how dictatorships slowly creep into Democratic societies. With religion, it’…

        Sadly, not everyone has that rebel spirit at such a young age, especially when they’re taught to be ashamed of their rebel spirit. It’s similar to a religious person who begins to find all of the inconsistencies in their “holy” books and punish themselves with hours of prayer and fasting in order to find the “gift” of faith. The driving force is the fear of Hell, for probably most believers.

  6. Pretty good exchange until the reporter threw two curve balls at the end. So much for neutrality, grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

    Professors Dawkins and Krauss came across well – good to see them on a major news station. Spread them out, so to speak :D

  7. I agree with Lawrence Krauss that the spell cast by religion in childhood can badly confuse people. I think it is helpful to present everyone with the reasons to think that the stories of religion are mostly fiction / fantasy.

    I enjoyed ” The physics of Star Trek ” by Lawrence Krauss which looks at the difference between science and science fiction. Science fiction can be funny and thought provoking, even inspiring, although it isn’t reality.
    Science also gives lots of reasons to think that parts of religious belief are not reality. However it is interesting to know all the various religious myths, to compare them and to be amused by the childish scribbles of primitive civilization. A caring parent seeing their children’s artwork or school work doesn’t bin it even though it is not a masterpiece. When people are secure in reality they can still pick out the best ideas from religion but are free to reject the rest as mumbo jumbo.

    Robert M. Price and Ed Suominen have written an excellent book , ” Evolving out of Eden, christian responses to evolution “. They look at the spectrum of defences from creationism to theistic evolution. It also introduces many of the key authors in modern debate, on both sides eg Francis Collins, John Haught, C. John Collins, Richard Dawkins, Lawrence Krauss, Victor J. Stenger

    Another great book is ” The outsider test of faith ” by John W. Loftus. It also introduces many of the same authors & others. Life is more interesting when you have heard most of the arguments because you can see where people are trying to get away with only revealing a small part of the story, or putting spin on it, or trying to present themselves as holding the majority position for political advantage.

  8. For a long time the entire population of the world believed that our galaxy was geocentric, and the entire population of the world was wrong; well, apart from a few clever ancient Greek chaps.

    The numbers game butters no parsnips at all.

    I look forward to this film.

  9. Appreciate the effort by Richard and Lawrence to interject the fact that the “Golden Rule” and doing good things for others is not exclusive to religion when CNN tried to get last word then, cut. Just one example of hundreds: “Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself.” – Confucius.
    Well said that “religion invites radicalization.”
    You guys are a breath of fresh air. Thank you!

  10. R.D. and L.K. are big leaguers so I’d hope reporters don’t give them intentional walks.

    Any idea how long the feature runs? The teaser looks interesting. I’ve watched a lot of the book tour debates etc. on Youtube and saw some familiar scenery. I hope there will be new material as well. It would disappoint me if it was just splices of things I’ve seen or heard before with some road trip video. That said, it would still be fun to watch.

    More importantly, it is going to reach a wider audience. It may get print reviews and film reviews that gain attention book reviews don’t. There are video clips and sound bites for TV and radio. It ought to get more attention and generate more backlash, including personal threats.

    There could be the makings of a sequel. Add your suggestions for a title: (1) Unbelievers – The Wrath of God (2) The Unbelievers in the Temple of God (3) Richard and Larry Do America (4) Fear and Loathing in the Bible Belt

    • In reply to #12 by whiteraven:

      R.D. and L.K. are big leaguers so I’d hope reporters don’t give them intentional walks.

      Any idea how long the feature runs? The teaser looks interesting. I’ve watched a lot of the book tour debates etc. on Youtube and saw some familiar scenery. I hope there will be new material as well. It would di…

      LOL. Richard and Larry Do America!!!!!

  11. I’m going to the May 1st viewing. Really excited. I am hoping Richard and Lawrence stick around for it.

    Having said that, I wonder about the motive of the anchorperson, and it would appear she is new to the reporting of atheist topics :-)

    • In reply to #15 by BananasForEveryone:

      I’m going to the May 1st viewing. Really excited. I am hoping Richard and Lawrence stick around for it.

      Having said that, I wonder about the motive of the anchorperson, and it would appear she is new to the reporting of atheist topics :-)

      Yeah, she wasn’t very good, was she? It is very unprofessional to pose a long, meandering, repetitive and poorly articulated question in the remaining 30 seconds of an interview, thereby cutting short the interviewee’s opportunity to answer it. It’s what the religiots do to ‘win’ their arguments.

  12. Maybe I’m paranoid but if you go to CNN the video is not featured – you can search for it, for example, by typing Dawkins – but if you then click on the link this interview does not play but defaults to the video of the day about a man recovering from losing both legs. Is the interview intentionally hidden? It plays from this page but only in small screen.

    • I had that problem in an AOL browser. Then tried Firefox where it went directly to the video, but it didn’t play. Copied the URL from there and pasted into AOL, and it worked! No idea why that was, but anyway it’s on here now.

      In reply to #19 by stuhillman:

      Maybe I’m paranoid but if you go to CNN the video is not featured – you can search for it, for example, by typing Dawkins – but if you then click on the link this interview does not play but defaults to the video of the day about a man recovering from losing both legs. Is the interview intentionall…

    • In reply to #22 by stuhillman:

      Good interview though. And I’m pleased to see that Richard and Lawrence didn’t let the interviewer get away with the “only religion does good things” platitude at the very end.

      I was thrilled that they jumped on that as well. It needs to be said a lot more, that people are good at their core, and don’t need to be lied to in order to have charity.

  13. Richard.
    You should find a way of putting this documentary on national tv. You and Todd Stiefel have enough money to get your own tv station so that this and all your other excellent documentaries can be shown to millions all over the country 24/7. This will quickly raise awareness of the harmfulness of religions to the general public who also mainly think like that reporter or even worse.
    Atheists are the only ones who will pay to see it in a movie theatre, so you will be just ‘preaching to the converted’ and not the people who really need to see it.
    If you really want to make a big difference in revealing to true nature of religions, start your own tv station, so that people at home flicking through the channels can accidently come across RDTV and watch one of your documentaries or you could broadcast nationally some of the thousands of excellent atheist youtube videos.
    If the religious can afford their own channels, we need to have our own too. With 25% of the population declared as non believers, it would probably be the most popular channel on tv. You could publicise it on this site where you get ‘a million hits a month’ and in the papers, in subways, and on billboards.
    If you think this is too much, then just put it online and encourage your supporters to burn it to dvd and send to every public access tv station across the nation for broadcast to everyone.
    The more people that get to see it, the more effect it will have on bringing about the downfall of religious indoctrination and discrimination.

  14. Yes, it is amusing that the news reporter was breaking the golden rule precisely as she touted it’s virtues.

    Would she like a news reporter to oppose her views then attempt to end the interview before she can respond?

  15. It is easy to blame radicalisation [for terrorism], but radicalisation is easy if people are brought up in the first place to believe that faith is a virtue. If you bring up children and tell them that believing without evidence, which is what faith is, is a virtue, then only a tiny minority of them may became radicalised but the ground has been fertilised for radicalisation. It’s easy radicalise if people have been pre-adapted, have been prepared with the view that faith is a virtue that what your religion teaches you is absolutely right. In a way, no wonder they are so easily radicalised because they are told from babyhood onwards, that their religion is the all-important thing and that’s what they have to believe, even if there is no evidence.

    ~ Dr. Richard Dawkins1941-03-26

    • In reply to #31 by Roedy:

      It is easy to blame radicalisation [for terrorism], but radicalisation is easy if people are brought up in the first place to believe that faith is a virtue. If you bring up children and tell them that believing without evidence, which is what faith is, is a virtue, then only a tiny minority of the…

      Yes, that was the pithiest part of the interview. Glad you shed a light on that part.

    • In reply to #31 by Roedy:

      It is easy to blame radicalisation [for terrorism], but radicalisation is easy if people are brought up in the first place to believe that faith is a virtue. If you bring up children and tell them that believing without evidence, which is what faith is, is a virtue, then only a tiny minority of the…

      Almost verbatim what he said in the interview?
      Was that 1941(!) quote from a very early book/article?

  16. I think it important to distinguish between faith and religion. The problem is faith. Religion which would include also music, art, ceremony, good works is not the problem. By sloppily conflating the two, we give CNN ladies an unnecessary path to rebut.

    • In reply to #32 by Roedy:

      I think it important to distinguish between faith and religion. The problem is faith. Religion which would include also music, art, ceremony, good works is not the problem. By sloppily conflating the two, we give CNN ladies an unnecessary path to rebut.

      It is religious PRACTICE that includes music art, etc. but those are cultural behaviors that are stimulated by many things and they do not belong to religion any more than they belong to politics. The ‘religion’ part of religion is the belief system. WE do not conflate the two, though obviously the reporter does. ‘

  17. Well done Lawrence, not letting the reporter get away with the standard finish that they all try.

    When will dawn on them that if people do good things in the community it is because they are good people and not because of the myth they tie themselves to. Drop the myth and they will still be good people.

  18. Richard pls quantify harm caused by belief in accepted scientific theories that are then proven wrong and compare to harm cause by religion – to date – and if possible predict using scientific method, the future of either, then compare and contrast.

  19. explaining science and destroying religion go hand to hand its the same thing if you destroy religion and superstition nothing is left but science of you keep educating people by explaining science each generation is going to be containing more none theists than the last and gradually religion will be gone.which path to choose depends on your point of view but inevitably will give you the same result one path might be more brutal but might give you a faster result and but the other is clean and very slow but might have a stronger base in its construction that is why in my humble opinion richard is using raising awareness for science instead of dictating it i prefer the fascism kind myself. but i am an atheist from iran who feared if i speak out ill be executed the next day!

  20. “Just from this interview I can tell what a heated debate there will be in the film…”

    That’s just disgusting. She intentionally uses the word “heated” to incite anger- what a sheeperson!

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