Catholic politicians should resign, not support abortion, says Vatican

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A senior Vatican official has said that Catholic politicians should resign rather than be part of a Government move to legalise abortion.


As Taoiseach Enda Kenny, a self-described practising Catholic, pushes ahead with plans to legalise abortion before the summer, a senior Vatican official told The Irish Catholic that Catholic politicians in these circumstances should quit rather than legislate for abortion.

Asked about the current situation in Ireland Msgr Jacques Suaudeau, scientific director of the Pontifical Academy for Life at the Vatican said: “If the Prime Minister as a Catholic, doesn’t want to impose his belief and the time has come for a more moderate line on abortion, then he resigns.

“If you are faithful to your conviction, then you have to get out,” he said.

He also said that Catholic politicians who support abortion are pushing themselves out of the Church.

Written By: Garry O’Sullivan
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  1. SO catholic politicians are being given the choice between quitting their job or quitting the church?
    Well with any luck this will all work out for the best, who’s going to choose unemployment over theological hypocrisy?

    • In reply to #1 by Seraphor:

      SO catholic politicians are being given the choice between quitting their job or quitting the church?
      Well with any luck this will all work out for the best, who’s going to choose unemployment over theological hypocrisy?

      Perhaps they can do both and make way for less bigoted people

  2. I wish there were some Catholics who read these comments because I would really like to hear someone explain the logic behind saying a Catholic politician should resign rather than go along with laws that make abortion legal while it is perfectly fine for a Catholic politician to go against Vatican edicts on countless other issues (death penalty, war, healthcare and other basic entitlements for the poor, etc.)

  3. Jacques Suaudeau, scientific director of the Pontifical Academy for Life

    That’s quite a job title. Also, it’s abortion where the life of the mother is at risk. So in this case pro-life really means extending the period of eradication for a dying foetus, and risking the life of the mother by extension.

  4. Yep I agree entirely with the ‘Scientific Director of the Pontifical Academy for Life at the Vatican’(what the f**k that is we can only guess) if your fairy’s top man here on Earth says you have to follow what he says or resign,then you should resign. I think all atheists should support all fairy chiefs in making all M.P.s Senators Prime Ministers etc,. that believe in the fairy, resign with immediate effect.That way we will have no fairy believer’s in positions of power.Simple!!! bring it on!

  5. What words of wisdom do the men in dresses have for us today?

    “If the Prime Minister as a Catholic, doesn’t want to impose his belief….”

    Isn’t he supposed to represent the will of the people, not force his own beliefs on them?

    Referring to Catholics in political life, he said: “if a politician is being forced to be a formal co-operator with abortion, you leave the party, you get out.”

    So who is holding a (metaphorical) gun to their heads. Wouldn’t be the church, would it?

    “Sometimes people forget Nuremberg. You cannot cover yourself with the cover of party discipline,” Msgr Suaudeau said.

    Yet Suaudeau has no problem with church discipline. Jesus and Mo’s irony meter might be exploding about now.

    Catholic politicians cannot live under two houses when it comes to abortion. You have to take a decision but not many do”.

    I think more and more ARE making a decision, more and more choosing in favour of rationality.

    On the issue of excommunication for pro-abortion Catholic politicians, Msgr Suaudeau said that the issue should be dealt with in private by senior Churchmen.

    Just as they did (not) with Catholic war criminals, Catholic sadists, Catholic slavers (Magdelenes anyone) and Catholic paedophiles and child abusers.

    Bishops, he said, have to signify to politicians in private the wrong headedness of their actions.

    So the Catholic Church is a political lobby group. Stop evading taxes then.

    • In reply to #5 by SomersetJohn:

      So the Catholic Church is a political lobby group. Stop evading taxes then.

      Yes. That’s the crux of the matter. I think they may have accidentally taken a step towards losing tax-exempt status. That’s something I’d pay to see.

  6. @OP- “If you are faithful to your conviction, then you have to get out,” he said.

    He also said that Catholic politicians who support abortion are pushing themselves out of the Church.

    Or maybe they are just pushing the Catholic Church out of government politics! – Where – last I heard – nobody had elected them to govern as a theocracy!
    There is this strange democratic notion, that elected politicians represent (and are accountable to) their constituents, NOT the Vatican!
    There is even the notion (strange to the Vatican’s thinking), that on medical issues, doctors are better informed than priests, so politicians should seek advice from doctors and medical research scientists!

  7. The Vatican does not understand democracy. And of course has fond memories of having pretty much governed Ireland as they pleased, as a theocratic state, within relatively recent times. They have already threatened Enda Kenny with excommunication on this one; he has said the only “book” he recognises is the Constitution and he is going to do what the voters elected him to do.

    Until now Ireland has had a free pass on abortion, called England. It really is time they ended the fudge.

  8. “…part of a Government move to legalise abortion.”

    I’m afraid that this is another clerical porkie. There is no attempt in Ireland to legalise abortion, far from it. The courts ruled ten years ago that abortion had to be available to pregnant girls who were suicidal, and this belated legislation is an attempt to regulate the situation, as the law requires in the Irish state. A referendum supported the right of a suicidal woman to seek an abortion.

    The “new” law does not permit abortion for any other reason than the immediate and present danger of the pregnant woman’s death, whether for physical or psychological reasons. Even then, the mother will have to be in imminent danger of death, and you may be sure that hospitals are full of religious snitches, who are more than willing to get doctors into trouble if they act before the last possible moment.

    All the other reasons for abortion – foetus severely malformed, risk to mother’s health (mental or physical), rape etc will not be permitted by the legislation. As for the woman’s choice: forget it.

  9. Freedom of religion means the church can f-off and people can believe what they want. Tough crap Vatican, your words only mean something to people who give a damn what you say. I’m sure if it came down to it, they would quit the church first.

  10. Interesting. Historically in countries where protestant brands of Christianity are in the majority there has been reticence to have Catholics in positions of power on the grounds that they would take their orders from the pope. Now the Vatican seems to be saying that’s exactly what they should do.

  11. The roman catholic church is an unprincipled organization. They ramp and rave against condoms, contraception, abortion, same sex marriage, euthanasia, stem cell research, … but don’t want to excommunicate anyone because that would dwindle their membership down to insignificance. No, they ramp and rave and keep everyone ever baptized as catholic on their list so that they can use their fake membership list for their own political gain. If they were principled they would excommunicate anyone who ever voted for, used, participated in, supported, or used any of the items I listed and then be content with maybe 2 to 3% of the 1.2 billion membership they claim to represent.

  12. The most important thing is Womens right to abortion whatever way they do it is fine by women, so much more important than keeping Catholic politicians or any politician who objects to legalisation…..Its essential in a democracy that Women are treated as adults and not have these very personal decisions taken from them and made illegal. They need impartial medical guidance not a guilt trip !!! Objections to legalisation are often made by people many are male, who have a strong emotional response to the issue, though That is not dealing with the continuing reality. Women know what they need and do not take the responsibility lightly, but emotions aside the illegality is is causing death, In a large way due to catholic countries refusal to allow contraception !

  13. Good piece in today’s Independent by an Irish nurse who had to travel to Englad for a termination as her foetus had anencephaly:

    “I have never felt so much anger towards my own country as I did the day Mike and I boarded the early morning flight to Birmingham. At the worst time of my life, when my country should have wrapped its arms around me, it turned its back on me. I wanted to be looked after in Ireland, where my family and friends could support us as we grieved, but instead we had to travel to England, like criminals.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-powers-that-be-are-in-the-dark-ages-we-want-to-move-into-the-future-8640135.html

  14. “If an act is evil and you resume an order to do it then you cannot do it”

    The Church’s lack of decency is mind boggling.They call a life saving medical procedure(abortion) an evil.As not so bright some politicians can be I fear they would buy into that medieval shit.

  15. The religion of the European peasants is disappearing as fast as the peasants are.

    Unlike the CoE, the RCC continues to believe that it can bully people around. Oh dear, big mistake for them in Ireland ! Nowadays, a modern country and not too many horses and carts, – and those for the tourists.

    As for abortion, God Himself commits most of them Himself “naturally”. Is God a sinner too?

    Ooops, I thought was a rhetorical question, until I looked at the Bible !

  16. How can a person who has a ´faith´according to which they run their lives make a secular decision as a politician without choosing beforehand whether he should be led to a decision by his faith which dictates to him that he should act according to it´s edicts , or realise that his so called ´faith´or magic has no place in a world where decisions such as these have to made by rational objectively thinking people. I would suggest he/she has to make a decision between faith or realism before even contmplating making a decision on the fate of a formed yet unborn human.

  17. On the issue of excommunication for pro-abortion Catholic politicians, Msgr Suaudeau said that the issue should be dealt with in private by senior Churchmen.

    Ah! in private by senior churchmen!! – Like the paedophile priests and their victims!!

    Nope! It should be dealt with in the full scrutiny of the press and the public. If interfering noggins in dresses are going to pervert the democratic process by black-mailing gullible politicians into becoming theocratic representatives rather than democratic representatives, the voters need to know!

  18. 225 years ago a great historian outlined the disadvantages of a Pope being a political as well as spiritual leader. As a warning against allowing such people to dictate policy in the real world, it’s still as valid today:

    The successful candidate [for election as pope] is drawn from the church, and even the convent; from the mode of education and life the most adverse to reason, humanity, and freedom. In the trammels of servile faith, he has learned to believe because it is absurd, to revere all that is contemptible, and to despise whatever might deserve the esteem of a rational being; to punish error as a crime, to reward mortification and celibacy as the first of virtues; to place the saints of the calendar above the heroes of Rome and the sages of Athens; and to consider the missal, or the crucifix, as more useful instruments than the plough or the loom. In the office of nuncio, or the rank of cardinal, he may acquire some knowledge of the world, but the primitive stain will adhere to his mind and manners: from study and experience he may suspect the mystery of his profession; but the sacerdotal artist will imbibe some portion of the bigotry which he inculcates.

    Edward Gibbon, “Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire”, chapter 70 (in volume 6, 1787)

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