Louisiana senators vote to keep creationism in science class — again

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Teen activist Zack Kopplin has lost his third bid to see a repeal of Louisiana’s Science Education Act — a highly controversial piece of legislation that allows teachers to bring creationist textbooks and other instructional materials into the classroom.


Bill 26, which was sponsored by Senator Carter Peterson (D-New Orleans), was defeated by a narrow vote of 2-3 in the Louisiana Senate Education Committee. The vote came after hours of testimony, including a formal statement made by Kopplin. Peterson sponsored the identical SB 70 in 2011 and SB 374 in 2012, which were defeated 1-5 and 1-2 respectively.

"For the past few months we've been organizing relentlessly and having people contact their elected officials to ask them to vote to repeal Louisiana's creationism law,” Kopplin told io9.

“We lost again this year, but we're making progress. We gained a second vote. And on top of this, it was clear that we will eventually win and repeal this vote. It's up to the legislators to choose which side of history they want to stand on,” he said.


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    • In reply to #2 by N_Ellis:

      They’ve learnt nothing since the Scopes Trial, and DON’T CARE that they are making themselves and their country a laughing stock.

      Let’s get started, shall we…?

      “I hear banjo music in the background.”

    • Louisiana – “The Land That Time Forgot”

      Come see the two-legged troglodytes in their primitive backwater! Laugh as they perform the goofy ancient rituals of their long-dead ancestors! Shake your head in wonder as they attempt to walk and chew gum at the same time! Fun for the whole family!

      Note: Please don’t feed the troglodytes. They may shoot at you when you run out of Mountain Dew, Red Bull, or pork rinds.

      In reply to #2 by N_Ellis:

      They’ve learnt nothing since the Scopes Trial, and DON’T CARE that they are making themselves and their country a laughing stock.

  1. Perhaps the psychologists should be working on a bill to remove politicians from office due to mental incapacity!

    “Bible-brain disability”, would seem to be one of the major mental diseases!

  2. Well Louisiana will be the source of all fast food industry workers as time goes by. The smart kids and families will have left (if they are truly smart they will leave) and all that will be left will be people who will be able to recite the bible and repeat the words ‘Would you like fries with that?’.

  3. From the article:

    “Yet if I closed my mind when I saw this man — in the dust, throwing some bones on the ground, semi-clothed — if I had closed him off and just said, ‘That’s not science. I’m not going to see this doctor,’ I would have shut off a very good experience for myself,” Guillory said.

    I’m sorry if I’m a bit dim, but Guillory’s description of the faith healer sounds very, very similar to what I would understand as a witch doctor. Did I misunderstand something ?

    Of course Guillory’s personal “experience” of the faith healer working magical powers, as just about as valid as my personal “experience” of all such charlatans as being frauds. Is his personal experience any more valid than mine?

    Stick to the science mate ! Then differences of opinion can be confronted by the facts.

    DOH ! How stupid of me, – I forgot Christians don’t like facts !

  4. “Louisiana senators vote to keep creationism in science class — again”

    Could have saved us a bit of trouble and just said Louisiana senators are idiots.

    No, wait that IS what they said.

    Truly the astounding amount of ignorance involved in this process staggers me. I don’t care that you think the world was created in 7 days, is only 6000 years old, is morally regulated by the Bible or salvation is a thing that actually exists by its edicts. Honestly, I don’t care.

    People can believe whatever crazy stuff they like: that L.Ron Hubbard is some sort of bizarre sci fi deity, that Moroni brought down a golden tablet and snatched it away again, That Mohammed flew off on a flying horse into heaven or that biting an apple brought evil to the world and kicked us out of paradise but only the scapegoating of God’s son can cleanse everyone of sin. Whatever brings you contentment.

    JUST KEEP IT OUT OF EDUCATION.

    Fundamentalists are pushing for and creating bible colleges, religious charter schools, numerous religious organizations disguised as other things, and all of that of course is in addition to having a church. No, not just a church, millions of these tax free, indoctrinating sanctuaries of ignorance where you can teach whatever ridiculous idea you want.

    It’s not like people aren’t preaching this in their homes, on the streets, and anywhere else they can put up a sign, recite bible verses, scream, rant, and worse already. It’s not like this ignorance isn’t being proselytized in the media, both on religious broadcasting and in the mainstream by nut jobs of every stripe.

    School is not the place for it. It never has been, and never will be. And never, EVER does it have place in a science class.

    I hope that the people responsible for this travesty are removed from any conceivable power so that children can actually be educated. This is after all, about them, and what we teach them will shape that state for years to come. That is your priority as a member of any lawmaking body, period.

  5. It’s up to the legislators to choose which side of history they want to stand on.

    This is a very important comment. I hope someone somewhere is keeping track ( a list of ) politicians’ stand on issues such as creationism, denying gay rights, denying global warming. It will be an important lesson in history for future generations to know the names of those who were a destructive (and positive) force in the world. If any history buff wants to start a website, I think this would be a good way of recording history now. Shame is also an excellent motivating factor. You could have a master list of names and descriptions of destructive actions and a section in which people offer up suggestions/make comments. This can also be done here.

    • In reply to #10 by QuestioningKat:

      It’s up to the legislators to choose which side of history they want to stand on.

      This is a very important comment. I hope someone somewhere is keeping track ( a list of ) politicians’ stand on issues such as creationism, denying gay rights, denying global warming. It will be an important lesson in…

      Sadly these halfwits are mostly immune to the judgment of future generations. Come the rapture there will be none.

      This is yet another reason to make most of them sit on the sidelines.

  6. Like monkeys in a zoo, the Louisiana legislature has become a point of amusement to the rational observers in America. Too bad the ratio of religious intransigence is so much higher than the goal of proper science education for our children.

    • In reply to #11 by esmith4102:

      Like monkeys in a zoo, the Louisiana legislature has become a point of amusement to the rational observers in America. Too bad the ratio of religious intransigence is so much higher than the goal of proper science education for our children.

      This coment is disrespectful of monkeys. Just saying…

      Steve

  7. There was a time over 1000 years ago when Muslim thinkers were at the forefront of science and mathematics and then something went wrong. A terrible fundamentalist retardation took hold in the psyche of the population practicing that belief. It cause the decline of the culture, intellectually and socially and the evidence is all around us. It seems to me that this same process is happening in the USA, a nation that started out with so much promise as far as leading the world in innovation, reason and freedom is now intellectually in decline. What a tragedy.

    Young Zach is only 19. His passion and leadership on the subject of science will only get stronger. Hopefully he’ll get more time on the world stage and help stop the intellectual decline in the USA.

  8. Really smart rational people get on with generating wealth, medical research, healthcare, scientific advancement, breakthrough technologies, construction, engineering and all the other marvellous things that have given the human race a one time opportunity for global security, health, comfort, education, nutrition, peace and leisure on a scale that even fifty years ago would have been considered impossible. What do greedy ambitious grasping less smart people do. Well they become politicians who seek wealth and power through deceit and manipulation of the credible masses. And how do you get the credible masses. Well you foster religious beliefs through a state sponsored coven of equally power hungry theocrats to indoctrinate and control the population who you educate only to the level necessary to function as the unquestioning malleable dullard workforce. And when the smart scientist types start to threaten your position you legislate to control them through fiscal constraint. You don’t have to be smart to be a senator – just morally corrupt, dishonest, ruthless and greedy. This is the tragedy of the USA. The wrong people are in control. And it’s the same the world over. Are you of only moderate intelligence but grasping and ambitious? Wanna be wealthy, powerful and in control? Then become a politician or priest.

  9. Something more people need to know:

    I’m a graduating senior at the University of Louisiana at Monroe. The graduation ceremony is in one week, and ULM has invited state senator MIke Walsworth to be the commencement speaker. Walsworth was instrumental in defeating the repeal of the Louisiana Science Education Act, the law which allows creationism to be taught in schools. He’s also all over youtube showcasing his blistering ignorance of evolutionary theory.

    Who is Walsworth? This guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQObhb3veQA

    Here’s the article on the repeal recently being defeated: http://www.wbrz.com/news/bill-to-repeal-lsea-stalls-in-committee/

    And here’s the local paper on his being commencement speaker: http://www.thenewsstar.com/article/20130430/NEWS01/130430021/Walsworth-ULM-graduation-speaker

    • In reply to #18 by Cebus:

      I’m a graduating senior at the University of Louisiana at Monroe. The graduation ceremony is in one week, and ULM has invited state senator MIke Walsworth to be the commencement speaker. Walsworth was instrumental in defeating the repeal of the Louisiana Science Education Act, the law which allows creationism to be taught in schools. He’s also all over youtube showcasing his blistering ignorance of evolutionary theory.

      Perhaps the students should protest at their hard work and academic achievements being brought into disrepute, by some incompetent university administrator inviting a science illiterate and ignorant buffoon, as a speaker at an academic graduation ceremony! – Talk about theist back-side first thinking! – Ignoramuses lecturing to graduates at a prestigious university gathering!!!

    • In reply to #18 by Cebus:

      Something more people need to know:

      I’m a graduating senior at the University of Louisiana at Monroe. The graduation ceremony is in one week, and ULM has invited state senator MIke Walsworth to be the commencement speaker. Walsworth was instrumental in defeating the repeal of the Louisiana Scienc…

      It amazes me how the brain of Walsworth was able to generate enough power for him to be able to get up in the morning, scratch his behind, scoff his breakfast then shuffle off to the senate and ask these questions.

    • In reply to #18 by Cebus:

      Something more people need to know:

      I’m a graduating senior at the University of Louisiana at Monroe. The graduation ceremony is in one week, and ULM has invited state senator MIke Walsworth to be the commencement speaker. Walsworth was instrumental in defeating the repeal of the Louisiana Scienc…
      You and your fellow students should turn your backs when he speaks. A quiet dignified way to protest gross ignorance.

  10. Meanwhile it has been reported that entries to science degrees in the UK is up over 30% (because of the influence of Prof. Brian Cox’s TV Science documentaries – it sez). It does seem that the US is committing intellectual suicide?

  11. Growing up and attending public schools in Louisiana, I can tell you I’ve never seen or heard of creationism taught in any school. That being said, it doesn’t surprise me that this legislation would have opponents in the government who don’t want to spook their religious base.

    • In reply to #27 by vindejazzarock:

      I am ashamed to be from Louisiana. Just know that we are not all knuckle dragging, sister shagging, halfwits.

      Well, of course not. Half of you are brother shagging halfwits. ;)

  12. As long as creationism is widely accepted by the American public, Science and common sense will always be in danger. With over 40% of Americans wholeheartedly accepting that the Earth is 6000 to 10000 yrs. old, we are in dire trouble. Even with transitional fossils and the genome project showing all plants and animals are related, these creatard godlodytes continue to bring us back to the Dark Ages with their hatred of the theory of evolution by natural selection. Keep religious myths where they should be, in books of fiction.

  13. Perhaps greed is the motive needed to put a stop to this.

    How many creationist geologists did Exxon hire?

    How many creationists biologists or chemists did Monsanto hire?

    How many creationist astronauts are there?

    How many employed creationist climate scientists are there?

    How many integrated chip designers think quantum mechanics is a demonic plot?

    How many psychiatrists treat their patients with rattles to exorcise demons?

    How many doctors can heal cancer by laying of hands and chanting spells?

    There are not many jobs other than con man (preacher/faith healer) open to creationists, unless you count street sweeper-type jobs where you keep your beliefs about science hidden.

    Indoctrinating your child with crank creationist science will keep them out of any honest, decent-paying job.

  14. So it’s ok to teach other “theories” as fact… like that we all evolved from monkeys or crawled up out of the sea and began standing upright? Who made monkeys, where did the sea come from? Show me undeniable proof of any other theory of how and more importantly, why we are here and I’ll gladly give creationism the back seat. The problem with science is that it tries to function without faith and that is the root of why science continuously backtracks itself to line up with the unknown. If you start off with the idea of creationism, so much more of what we know in science makes sense. We only vaguely understand things like how crude oil is made, a process that hasn’t been able to be duplicated to this day regardless of our vast knowledge. If we just accept that maybe a worldwide flood had occurred at one time, then the science behind what we know about the formation of crude oil makes so much more sense. It’s that little part about there being a book and a God that was responsible for the flood which makes even the most intelligent deny the simplest and most scientific answer we have. If we are ever going to fully understand who we are and what our purpose is here on earth, we have to abandon our primitive theories of spontaneous combustion in the universe or genius evolution from a carbon atom and start looking at a divine purpose. We certainly didn’t all just happen here by chance and we certainly aren’t here to live our meager life expectancy and become dust. I’m glad Louisiana continues to be intelligent enough to know that we are more, we are bigger than consequential evolution. Understanding where the physical meets the spiritual is real science, and you’ll learn a lot more chasing that path than constantly trying to prove that there is no divine creator.

    • In reply to #32 by IconicIowan:

      So it’s ok to teach other “theories” as fact… like that we all evolved from monkeys or crawled up out of the sea and began standing upright? Who made monkeys, where did the sea come from? Show me undeniable proof of any other theory of how and more importantly, why we are here and I’ll gladly give…

      And once again we have someone that only understands one definition of theory.

      When you say theory, you no doubt refer to this:

      a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation

      b : an unproved assumption : conjecture

      That is not what is meant by the theory of evolution which is what you appear to harp on most, or many other instances where science uses the term (wave light theory, music theory and most scholastic theories) Try this on for size:

      1. the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
      2. the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art
      3. a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena

      See the difference? The Theory of Evolution clearly fits under these definition (specifically 3) and is based on investigation, analysis and research. They are verifiable, and peer reviewed.

      In addition, you seem unfamiliar with the mission statement so I’ll try to explain it with an analysis of your statement here:

      It’s that little part about there being a book and a God that was responsible for the flood which makes even the most intelligent deny the simplest and most scientific answer we have.

      Everything you just said there is both the absolute opposite of scientific and without a shred of any verifiable evidence. The floods, and of the other occurrences in the bible are far from the simplest answers and the bible itself is not verified proof of anything other than a bunch of people wrote the passages in the book.

      There is nothing scientific about God or the bible. Think outside of your own belief (not facts) for just a second and keep in mind that there are literally millions of people past and present that have worshiped gods and not a single one of them have demonstrated evidence for any of them.

      Make some effort to prove a single one of your claims regarding a scientific nature to the Christian god, to any of the biblical writings. I find it fascinating that you post many scientific breakthroughs as primitive when what you believe is literally over 2000 years old, and was not only in a minority of belief systems at the time but has not ever been verified as occurring in its own time.

      Verification is what is key here. Science is what is key here as we are discussing a science class and not a religious class. They are not one and the same. Stop trying to put the 2 together.

      • In reply to #34 by achromat666:

        In reply to #32 by IconicIowan:

        So it’s ok to teach other “theories” as fact… like that we all evolved from monkeys or crawled up out of the sea and began standing upright? Who made monkeys, where did the sea come from? Show me undeniable proof of any other theory of how and more importantly, why…

        What happened to #32? Has it been expunged by the thought police?

        • In reply to #35 by Kevin Murrell:

          In reply to #34 by achromat666:

          In reply to #32 by IconicIowan:

          So it’s ok to teach other “theories” as fact… like that we all evolved from monkeys or crawled up out of the sea and began standing upright? Who made monkeys, where did the sea come from? Show me undeniable proof of any other theory…

          It may well have been removed by the moderators for preaching, though I thought it was more misinformed than preachy. There was a bit of both, but ultimately it’s their call.

          • In reply to #36 by achromat666:

            In reply to #35 by Kevin Murrell:

            In reply to #34 by achromat666:

            In reply to #32 by IconicIowan:

            So it’s ok to teach other “theories” as fact… like that we all evolved from monkeys or crawled up out of the sea and began standing upright? Who made monkeys, where did the sea come from? Show me u…

            The bits you quoted read like irony to me, but without reading the whole thing, it’s hard to tell.

          • In reply to #37 by Kevin Murrell:

            In reply to #36 by achromat666:

            In reply to #35 by Kevin Murrell:

            In reply to #34 by achromat666:

            In reply to #32 by IconicIowan:

            So it’s ok to teach other “theories” as fact… like that we all evolved from monkeys or crawled up out of the sea and began standing upright? Who made monkeys, where…

            I see that they’ve removed my #35 now, presumably for calling them “thought police.” A bit extreme isn’t it?

  15. Why don’t corporations hire creationist geologists? Because they have not the first clue how to find oil. Creationist biologists have not the first clue how to engineer new plant breeds (Officially, they don’t even believe they are possible). Creation science simply does not work. You can’t do a thing useful with it but teach Sunday school.

  16. See now every time they think of such monkey business (pun), god sends another plague to get their attention. That bigass sinkhole is the latest. The whole state is going to slide off into the gulf if they continue with this science stupidity. But on a lighter note , It might finish covering up their last plague. I can’t remember if it was called New Orleans, or maybe BP, or even Cheney/Bush.

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