Pope Francis elected after supernatural ‘signs’ in the Conclave

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The surprise election of the Pope Francis came about because of a series of supernatural “signs”, one of the leading Cardinals in the Roman Catholic Church has claimed.


Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, the Archbishop of Vienna, who was himself widely tipped as a possible successor to Pope Benedict, said he had personally had two “strong signs” that Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio was “the chosen one” in the run up to vote.

He said only divine intervention could explain the speed with which the Argentine Cardinal – who did not feature on any of the main lists of likely candidates compiled by Vatican experts – was elected.

Speaking to an Anglican conference in London, he also said the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev Justin Welby, had a “strange similarity” to the new Pope.

He said that the two elections were a “little miracle” and a “sign from the Lord” that the two churches should work towards closer unity.

Written By: John Bingham
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  1. They’re like children who never really grew up. They live in a sheltered, make-believe playground planet of closed inner circles, whispered secrets, dressed up role-play, and, most importantly, imaginary best friends for life. Unlike children, though, religious communities have a natural, adult ability for dissembling. This is what is so insidious about them.

  2. This is a fine example of an idiot talking and idiots listening and clapping along like sheep. It’s not a difference of opinion making me say this, just reading the article.
    If you remove the faith filters from the whole narrative it’s an idiot talking to other idiots about magic signs from an invisible friend telling him to pick a specific idiot to be the leader of all the like minded idiots. His particular specific idiot happens to look like a different group of idiots chosen idiot leader so this must also be a supernatural sign that their magic invisible friend is at work.

    If it wasn’t real life it would be funny.

  3. So god gave divine clues to the rrc mob and the coe flock, to guide the selection of their respective leaders. Was this god the same god in both cases or are there two gods – one god each for the two conflicting religions?

    • In reply to #5 by Pi:

      So god gave divine clues to the rrc mob and the coe flock, to guide the selection of their respective leaders. Was this god the same god in both cases or are there two gods – one god each for the two conflicting religions?

      Page 1 of the Idiots Guide to Christianity clearly states that the one God covers both The RCC and COE as they are two denominations of one religion.
      Page 2 states that there are three persons in this one God but I think we may be going a little too fast now.

  4. The phrase “the writing on the wall” comes from a Bible story in which God actually writes on a wall with his magic hands. I can guarantee the “signs” people like this claim to have seen are nothing that detectable. “Oh, I had a feeling in my gut…” Everyone has opinions. Between us we have just about every opinion, too.

    • In reply to #9 by sunbeamforjeebus:

      Another very silly man in a dress talking nonsense,full stop.

      Focusing on men wearing dresses reinforces a gender stereotype that is not universal. The Scotsman’s kilt is a skirt. The Arabian thobe.could be called a dress. It might be worth giving them a try.

      • In reply to #17 by whiteraven:

        In reply to #9 by sunbeamforjeebus:

        Another very silly man in a dress talking nonsense,full stop.

        Focusing on men wearing dresses reinforces a gender stereotype that is not universal. The Scotsman’s kilt is a skirt. The Arabian thobe.could be called a dress. It might be worth giving them a try.
        OK THEN ANOTHER VERY SILLY MAN IN A DRESS,SKIRT OR THOBE TALKING NONSENSE,FULL STOP.

  5. I’m starting to wonder why fill up so much space in News with utter nonsense like this when there’s a lot of good stuff that doesn’t get put up because it competes for space with claptrap. And stop picking on the Catholics all the time, what about the Russian Orthodox Church, the Church of Satan or Druids?

    Big question, maybe needs a discussion topic: To hell with the Theistic Satanists, but is there a place at the table for Atheistic Satanists?

    How about a computer game called “Conclave”? Play Jorge Bergoglio maneuvering for victory through reticent humility and retiring obsequiousness. Conspiracy takes satanic form as the Italians and Latin Americans undermine the dark horse Irish American Cardinal from Boston. The Africans move to the back of the bus until their revenue stream catches up to holier regions and soul production quotas are met. Earn miracle points plugging media leaks and acquiring actionable intelligence.

  6. We can hardly expect them to make a rational choice based on expert judgements, previous track record and a statistical analysis of distribution data could we? That would be too much like science. So we have a Pope who bears an uncanny resemblance to a turnip and he was elected because of gut feelings due to an underdone potato or a bit of mouldy cheese.

    Of course the last poop who was infallible, had Fek all to do with the process instead they relied on the proven method of cryptic messages from their imaginations.

    Fekwits!

  7. And Cyprus gave Greece “Douze Points” in Eurovision that is obviously the holy spirit trying to tell us that people are nationalistic, and that Latin Americans wanted a Latin American pope.

    Oh the mystery of it all !!!!!!!!!!!

  8. “he also said the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev Justin Welby, had a “strange similarity” to the new Pope.”

    Yes, they are both highly intelligent, highly educated people, who for totally inexplicable reasons choose to believe in something for which there is no evidence whatsoever, and who really should know better.

    Both have also chosen to make their living selling a product the existence of which cannot be confirmed by any means, while claiming that dishonesty is wrong.

    • In reply to #14 by N_Ellis:
      “Highly educated people”, as you say, can’t actually believe the statements they make. It is just propaganda, in which they are experts, using all tricks to make it sound sooo mysterious and sincere.
      Besides, wearing dresses and jewelry does not give them any additional credibility.
      They are servants of an institution that seeks power, and as part of it, they get huge personal benefits.

  9. The Cardinal said that just after a special mass before the Conclave began he came across a couple from Latin America who are friends of his.

    He said: “I met them outside the Basilica and I asked: ‘You have the Holy Spirit, can you give me advice for the Conclave that will start in a few hours?’

    “And the woman whispered in my ear ‘Bergoglio’, and it hit me really: if these people say Bergoglio, that’s an indication of the Holy Spirit.

    . . . What.

    That is what counts as a sign from the wholy spirit? . A couple from Latin America recommending a Latin American Cardinal? . How … miraculous.

  10. This is so obviously a political ploy to get the RCC and the COE to cozy up to each other. Another figure from the Catholic Church the Abbess Hildegard von Bingen (1098-1179) often claimed very useful visions from God. Along with the usual visions, she would claim God demanded her monastery should get more money from the mother church. She was reviled by the male establishment because they couldn’t just come out and say, “No, He didn’t!” They had to ooh and aah and pretend like they believed the communications. I heard a story that one doubting Thomas choked on a bit of food and died when he attended a banquet at her monastery. This was also taken as a sign she had a hotline to the Lord. The Catholic establishment got even with her by refusing to canonize her as a saint, and only in 2012 did Pope Benedict confirm this status.

  11. i much prefered Paul Daniel’s catchphrase “That’s Magic!” far more succinct and memorable.

    his miracles were pretty cool too, you could see them happening and think “wow, how did he do that?!” whereas cathokic miracles tend to be everyday humdrum stuff where the magician tells you it’s a miracle afterwards.

    they’ve so lost their showbiz mojo

      • In reply to #33 by Vorlund:

        In reply to #22 by Matt G:

        And if this pope dies next week….

        I’ll laugh til the tears roll down my leg.

        Oh c’mon,it just means that god wanted to give this guy shot at the title before he,eh,well…retires,let’s say… See,jesus is widely known to be shite at the tango…lessons incoming

  12. Interesting how the religious can see signs of their own making in the natural world – patterns in tree bark, a phrase repeated, a chance comment…but they can’t see factual signs like homosexuality being natural in cause, or visible statistics on rising levels of carbon dioxide, etc.

    • In reply to #23 by QuestioningKat:

      Interesting how the religious can see signs of their own making in the natural world – patterns in tree bark, a phrase repeated, a chance comment…but they can’t see factual signs like homosexuality being natural in cause, or visible statistics on rising levels of carbon dioxide, etc.

      When you live in imaginary land, real things just get in the way.

  13. I really am getting sick of the utter pointlessness of so many journalists.

    The article states that the cardinal claimed that because someone suggested the name ‘Bergoglio’ to him, that that must have been “an indication of the Holy Spirit”, and the journalist doesn’t think to ask the cardinal to explain how someone simply suggesting a name is “an indication of the Holy Spirit”, let alone what that even means.

  14. Where did I hear marketing BS like this before? Oh yes, the Kraft cream cheese commercials.

    This is just a grander scale of claiming your every move is guided by Jesus whispering in your ear, but oddly you can’t even get a job or find a place to live outside your parents’ basement. It is a delusion of grandeur or perhaps just a lie.

  15. Believers please notice that there is absolutely NOTHING about his words that indicate anything supernatural took place other than his claim that the thing that took place was supernatural. I love the part where he says “the other sign is something I can’t talk about….”

    REALLY??? REALLY??? GOD told you to select someone to lead your church and you cannot talk about it??? Your supernatural sign was that you ASKED a couple of people you knew a question and they answered it?

    What EXACTLY is a “vatican expert”? Why aren’t they entrusted with the task of electing the next pope? Why, indeed, especially if they will be guided to their decision by the almighty god thing? If god is going to intervene, why not just ask some homeless people?

    How much did it cost to gather all these people, sequester them, and ensure their security??? Could you have fed some of the poor, hungry people in the world and just TRUSTED that god would select the correct person?

    He should have been laughed out of the auditorium (not just for wearing a red silk cape, either)…

    • In reply to #27 by crookedshoes:

      Believers please notice that there is absolutely NOTHING about his words that indicate anything supernatural took place other than his claim that the thing that took place was supernatural. I love the part where he says “the other sign is something I can’t talk about….”

      REALLY??? REALLY???

      Really, really. The mystery makes it more mystical, doesn’t it.

      Besides, the last time someone in the RC talked about a miracle it turned out to be leaking sewage water.

  16. How these people can lie with straight faces!! Either that or they are so stupid that they actually believe what they say. I feel sorry for those that are conned into believing this drivel. Its not surprising that religious wars keep occurring…mayhem and bloodshed driven by childish imagination.

  17. Now that the possibility of divine intervention is proving beyond any reasonable doubt ( LOL ).The church should be under obligation to explain their god’s inaction to save the children from pedophile priests.

    • In reply to #35 by kamel:

      Now that the possibility of divine intervention is proving beyond any reasonable doubt ( LOL ).The church should be under obligation to explain their god’s inaction to save the children from pedophile priests.

      In case David Cameron is reading this post,LOL is not lots of love.

    • In reply to #35 by kamel:

      The church should be under obligation to explain their god’s inaction to save the children from pedophile priests.

      “the other sign is something I can’t talk about….”

      ….anyone else suspect it was an erection?

      • In reply to #42 by OHooligan:

        In reply to #35 by kamel:

        The church should be under obligation to explain their god’s inaction to save the children from pedophile priests.

        “the other sign is something I can’t talk about….”

        ….anyone else suspect it was an erection?

        In some places the traffic laws state that if you have an erection in the street after dark, it must be illuminated!

        Perhaps that is what he is referring to !

        They can’t hold a candle to some of these claims!

        • In reply to #43 by Alan4discussion:

          ..traffic laws state that if you have an erection in the street after dark, it must be illuminated!

          Thank you for that insight into the origins of Red Light Districts.

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