Victims call for Pell to stand down

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Cardinal George Pell has failed Australia's 5 million Catholics as a religious and moral leader and must be told to stand down as Sydney Archbishop, according to a petition by a clergy sexual abuse victims' group to the Pope's Australian ambassador.


''Cardinal Pell is a spiritually impotent leader, a leader who presents no empathy, no moral judgment and no felt deep concern for victims, a leader who is avoiding responsibility for the immorality and sodomy that has been breeding in his house of God,'' says the petition to papal nuncio Archbishop Paul Gallagher.

''It is time for the Roman Catholic Church in Australia to change, and the starting point is for Cardinal George Pell to stand down. He is part of the problem, not the solution.''

The request by victims' advocacy group COIN comes as another petition, launched last month by Sydney Catholic Bishop Geoffrey Robinson calling for a global church council to tackle the scourge of clergy sexual abuse, has passed 80,000 signatures.

Written By: Barney Zwartz
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  1. Much as I detest the RCC and all it stands for, I would be loathe to suggest any possible “improvements” it could make in its organisation. It is doing a fine job of alienating many of its supporters in the more advanced countries, (maybe Italy excepted), and that’s just fine by me !

    • In reply to #1 by Mr DArcy:

      Much as I detest the RCC and all it stands for, I would be loathe to suggest any possible “improvements” it could make in its organisation. It is doing a fine job of alienating many of its supporters in the more advanced countries, (maybe Italy excepted), and that’s just fine by me !

      Agreed! I think the RCC is like the oozlum bird and will eventually disappear up its own rear orifice. Well, we can only hope!

  2. A good friend was an altar server to Pell. A kind old man, he is however, scientifically illiterate, as shown when he faced Dawkins on Q&A. Singling out individual well-meaning old clergymen surely does not aide our cause as atheists. Victims may well call for Pell to stand down. Does this demonstrate logic or any relevance to the RDFRS front page though? Especially in the Aussie context… no Catholic cares what the pope says here. The whole church is like a social outing for those with nothing better to do. Pick your targets better guys.

    • In reply to #3 by Timothy McNamara:

      A good friend was an altar server to Pell. A kind old man, he is however, scientifically illiterate, as shown when he faced Dawkins on Q&;A.

      Well meaning old duffers are not suitable people to maintain moral standards of discipline in large organisations. I think his “kindly” approach to the offending priests IS THE issue, along with his unkindly approach to the needs of the victims. He also appears too morally illiterate and management illiterate for high office!

      Singling out individual well-meaning old clergymen surely does not aide our cause as atheists.

      What “singling out”?? RDFRS has condemned a whole raft of paedophile offenders and RCC cover-up pseudo-investigators.

      Victims may well call for Pell to stand down.

      He was clearly unfit to be in charge of supervision of these people and should be held to account for his callous cover-up. In a reputable organisation they would not be waiting decades, for victims to call for failed management to stand down!

      Does this demonstrate logic or any relevance to the RDFRS front page though?

      Absolutely! Holding those responsible for their institutionalised abuse is moral, relevant, and logical. Geriatric war criminals who presided over abuses, are prosecuted and kept in jail. Why should he be different!

      Pick your targets better guys.

      Looks spot on target to me – unless you know of some other RCC paedophile targets that have been missed!

    • In reply to #3 by Timothy McNamara:

      In addition to A4Ds comments the petition is pretty specific that he is NOT “a kind old man.” As we have seen a number of times on this site and as explicitly stated in the not damning enough petition – he doesn’t give a shit about the victims.

      That’s not “a kind old man” that’s a sociopath with a business to protect. Given his elevated position within that business and the claims about the nature of that business Pell should indeed be judged even harsher than almost everyone else in the world.

      I talked to the bishop of Dunkeld after a camping trip, he was pleasant enough to me but I would know little of life if I thought that made him, wait for it, “a kind old man” based on my brief encounter let alone someone else’s.

      A good friend was an altar server to Pell. A kind old man, he is however, scientifically illiterate, as shown when he faced Dawkins on Q&A. Singling out individual well-meaning old clergymen surely does not aide our cause as atheists. Victims may well call for Pell to stand down. Does this demonstra…

  3. hooray! australians rejoice! pell is part of the problem. his departure would be the perfect symbolic gesture – symbolic, because not many australians give a fig about that church … or any other.

  4. Cardinal Pell is a spiritually impotent leader, a leader who presents no empathy, no moral judgment and no felt deep concern for victims, a leader who is avoiding responsibility for the immorality and sodomy that has been breeding in his house of God

    Sounds like the ideal representative of the RCC.

  5. Um, would the 5 million Catholics be 5M on the Catholic books or 5M bums on pews? I suspect there might be some slight difference between the two. Anyone know what the number of PRACTICING Catholics might be down under?

    • In reply to #11 by SomersetJohn:

      Um, would the 5 million Catholics be 5M on the Catholic books or 5M bums on pews? I suspect there might be some slight difference between the two. Anyone know what the number of PRACTICING Catholics might be down under?

      According to this some figures are:

      The Pastoral Projects Office found that weekly attendance fell from 763,726 in 2001 to 708,618 in 2006, representing 13.8% of Australian Catholics.

      So if it goes on like this falling 50,000 in five years it should be down to the low 600,000s by now.

      Michael

  6. What worries me is the personal nature of the criticism of this man; it’s the religious woo that’s to blame for all the suffering children have gone through, and attacking this hapless individual won’t do any good, his ignorance is due to religion too.

    It’s almost invariably organized religions engendering of blind faith that brings about such misery.

    And now it’s started raining, again!

    • In reply to #13 by Stafford Gordon:

      What worries me is the personal nature of the criticism of this man; it’s the religious woo that’s to blame for all the suffering children have gone through, and attacking this hapless individual won’t do any good, his ignorance is due to religion too.

      It is the personal nature of people like him as “ethical” role models, which needs to be debunked, and that cannot be done without criticising the individual, or holding people like him responsible for their actions (or inactions).

  7. ”Rather than starting with a grand reconfiguration of the Curia – which incidentally I think to some significant extent will happen – I think we should try to look at particular problems such as, for example, do we have enough typists in the Vatican? How many people with doctorates are spending their time typing?”

    … I’m not quite sure what to say …

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