Women have reproductive duty, says ‘rhythm’ doctor

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A young woman was refused the birth control pill because she had not yet done her "reproductive job".


Melissa Pont, 23, said her family practitioner, Dr Joseph Lee, would not renew her pill prescription, instead lecturing her on a baby's right to live and on using the rhythm method, an unreliable family planning technique that involves having sex only at certain times of the month.

The Women's Health Action Trust said it has a "simmering issue" with GPs who will not prescribe contraceptives.

"Contraception is a basic health right for women," said senior policy analyst George Parker. "That should take precedence over a doctor's personal beliefs."

The NZ Medical Association said doctors can refuse treatment in non-emergency situations if their beliefs prohibit it – but they are required to refer the patient to another doctor.

Written By: Cherie Howie
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  1. How about the millions of (super-) naturally occurring abortions that God, in His Infinite Wisdom, has induced through the ages? If it’s good enough for His Holy Highness, why is it not good enough for “mere” women?

  2. As the old joke goes – “What do you call people who practice the rhythm method of contraception?” Answer “Parents”.

    And, of course, that’s the point – the Catholic Church still trying to out-populate the opposition.

  3. In reply to #2 by nancynancy:

    If a not yet conceived “baby” has “a right to life,” then using the rhythm method is every bit as wrong as taking the pill. Clearly this doctor has a few screws loose and should never have been admitted to medical school, let alone licensed to practice medicine. I suggest he be packed up and shipped…

    Right to life or exist, is a very odd concept. Before life, (whenever that is) there is no right to life, after death there is no right to life, so right to life has a limited duration, during life. It’s very hard to make sense of that – if you are deprived of your right to life by dying, or by being killed, how could you go about seeking redress? A right which the holder cannot in principle enforce, has no meaning.

    Of course no one has the right to arbitrarily kill you, but that is a different matter, which is taken care of by the criminal law, not on your behalf, since you cannot profit or lose by the outcome, but on behalf of society and at the expense of the killer. There can be no debt due to the dead.

    If the “unconceived” (a meaningless term) have rights to life, then every time a fertile man meets a fertile woman and they don’t make an attempt to knock out a child, they are depriving a human beings of its right to life. It would be a good chat-up line in a gathering of Xtians…. wish I thought of it fifty years ago.

  4. I wish I wish I wish that this dope could get pregnant. Dammit that would change things drastically.

    What vexes me most is that the general public revere doctors as being really smart and intellectual. Then, doctor’s opinions seems to weigh more than other people’s.

    Alert alert alert…. some doctors are stupid.

  5. “What vexes me most is that the general public revere doctors as being really smart and intellectual.”

    There’s an RDF video with one of RD doctor friends. Sorry I forget his name but he has white short hair. He did the “theory of mind” video on this site. Anyway iirc he was talking about how doctors, sometimes, don’t get a science education. Darn it, if I can locate the video I will post it here. I also think Neil DeGrasse Tyson had said something similar a few times but since there’s so many videos of him, I won’t be able to find it.

  6. “I wish I wish I wish that this dope could get pregnant. Dammit that would change things drastically”

    For this particular man, yeah, maybe it would change his particular tune.

    But this assumes there are no female doctors with similar views. One could probably walk into any of the many catholic hospitals (at least here in the US) and find several such female doctors. I don’t know how the health system work in NZ but it looks pretty bad that a “community clinic” doctor is pushing this kind of stuff. If it were a private practice or something then I would suggest for people to just find a different doctor. My wife had our first two babies at a local catholic run hospital but for our third child we went to a less local secular hospital because she wanted to get her tubes tied. Catholic hospitals won’t do that. Same doctor, different hospital.

  7. It seems that more and more professionals all over the world (social workers, doctors, etc.) give preference to their personal beliefs rather than to their professional skills. In this particular case, it’s not up to this guy to decide about the role of women in this world, but to prescribe what she needs. Some people are telling me that the number of religious zealots isn’t increasing, but religious people have become more militant. Whether it’s one thing or the other, these professionals ought to be reminded from time to time to stick to their professional ethics and leave their private beliefs aside. The Professional Codes of Ethics must be reinforced to make sure that the users of the above services receive the appropiate advice.

  8. Classic case of a religious belief interfering in places where it ought not to interfere….Patients go to doctors for Medicine not religious advice !!!
    ….Family planning clinics or well woman clinics will not judge women – regardless of their belief system and will simply help them…….Male GP’s who are un-informed about the needs or sensitivities of women patients or display judgemental sexism should be disciplined and then sacked if they continue to abuse their position….

  9. There would be none of this nonsense if society were not so selective over which contraceptives can be bought over the counter and which require a prescription. I cannot understand why a woman must first consult a (witch?) doctor prior to acquiring the pill. OK it is a drug rather than a piece of plastic, but given the medical and pharmacological record on recognising dangerous materials is rather undistinguished, then one might conclude that after 50 years of use by millions of women the objection to it’s free supply is a nannying/moralistic/authoritarian waste of a GP’s time

    • In reply to #18 by Philoctetes:

      “There would be none of this nonsense if society were not so selective over which contraceptives can be bought over the counter and which require a prescription. I cannot understand why a woman must first consult a (witch?) doctor prior to acquiring the pill. OK it is a drug rather than a piece of plastic…”

      I think you answered your own question – barrier contraception is cause-and-effect, the hormonal oral contraceptives, whilst safer than ever, are still medications with specific indications, contraindications and side-effects. I would argue that most over-the-counter medications sold (in the UK at least) are of modified formulations that are either lowest-dose preparations or have a low chance of causing rapid, unrecognised harm in the amounts legally sold e.g. paracetamol. Dose and preparation adjustments of oral contraceptives are occasionally necessary and not always that simple.

      “…but given the medical and pharmacological record on recognising dangerous materials is rather undistinguished…”

      Evidence for this statement please? Since the thalidomide disaster, the UK has had the Yellow Card Scheme to identify and collect details of adverse drug reactions.

      “…then one might conclude that after 50 years of use by millions of women the objection to it’s free supply is a nannying/moralistic/authoritarian waste of a GP’s time”

      It could be moralistic and nannying but in this case, it’s good medicine. Just because it’s been available for a long time, doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to give everybody free-reign over its use. I agree that contraception (of whatever flavour – and note I do not consider ‘natural’ methods remotely contraceptive) should be freely available with no moralistic questions asked, but to those women who are e.g. smokers with migraine who are at a significant increased risk of stroke, or those who are at increased risk of blood clots (and don’t know it) it could be a disaster. A pharmacist should not be in the position of having to sieve through stuff like this at the counter.

      There’s also the issue of using oral contraceptives off label without monitoring e.g. using the (now defunct) Yuzpe method for emergency contraception or taking Yasmin to aid weight loss (actually water loss) despite its significant risk of blood clots. I’ve even seen women using steroid creams (usually given for severe eczema, and never for very long) to lighten their skin for cosmetic reasons despite the enormous dose of steroids they absorb systemically. Their GPs had refused to give it and so they went abroad for it.

      My point is that whatever happens to people involving OTC meds, it’s the NHS that will pick up the pieces. And so starteth the litany of “I pay my taxes…”

      • In reply to #31 by Docjitters:

        In reply to #18 by Philoctetes:

        “There would be none of this nonsense if society were not so selective over which contraceptives can be bought over the counter and which require a prescription. I cannot understand why a woman must first consult a (witch?) doctor prior to acquiring the pill. OK it i…

        Rather an unprovoked attack on modern medical practice by Philoctetes. There are plenty of grounds to attack the drugs industry, but the care taken by the regulatory authorities and GPs is painstaking, scientific and unprejudiced.

    • Or how about “you know, I’ll just have anal.”

      In reply to #21 by Ardiem:

      I wonder if he’d change his tune if the patients he refused to contraceptives to just turned around and said, “Ah well, I can always get an abortion instead.”

  10. I thought the Rhythm Doctors broke up when their drummer OD’ed on stupidity. I’m pretty sure the catholics proved that the rhythm business didn’t really work. Find a catholic family with less than a dozen kids, and I’ll show you a newlywed couple. I’d suggest the bucket and saucer method. The husband stands on a bucket during sex. When his eyes get the size of saucers, the wife kicks the bucket out from under him. My parents used this method and it worked, kinda.

  11. He should be struck off now. Where does he get 4 babies is OK from? Why not 5 or 6? Who is he to decide that? Has god told him that? It doesn’t even say that in the bible.. Unbelieveable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • In reply to #23 by Aber ration:

      He should be struck off now. Where does he get 4 babies is OK from? Why not 5 or 6? Who is he to decide that? Has god told him that? It doesn’t even say that in the bible.. Unbelieveable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      It’s picking up the word of god directly from the source. Look at those dumbo shaped antenna on each side of it’s face.

    • In reply to #24 by Sue Blue:

      Would this doctor say the same thing to a young male patient who came in wanting a vasectomy?

      I can not speak for this particular doctor but some catholic hospitals here in the US don’t perform vasectomies.

  12. If a female doctor told a man he was useless as a human being unless his testicles were shooting live ones inside a woman, we’d never hear the end of it, but that’s basically what men like this guy are telling women. Someone ought to tell this doctor about some spider species in which the male really is good for only one thing, and the female kills him off once he’s served his purpose.

    • Sue Blue,
      I swear my wife only keeps me around at this point because I can kill bugs and replace lightbulbs. I’ll tell you what, if she ever overcomes her fear of spiders, I think I’ll be in the crosshairs!!!
      In reply to #29 by Sue Blue:

      If a female doctor told a man he was useless as a human being unless his testicles were shooting live ones inside a woman, we’d never hear the end of it, but that’s basically what men like this guy are telling women. Someone ought to tell this doctor about some spider species in which the male real…

    • In reply to #29 by Sue Blue:

      If a female doctor told a man he was useless as a human being unless his testicles were shooting live ones inside a woman, we’d never hear the end of it, but that’s basically what men like this guy are telling women. Someone ought to tell this doctor about some spider species in which the male real…

      Men are typically shamed for what they do…or rather what they aren’t doing. For example, a man is shamed for not working, or not working hard enough such that he can be the provider. So where the bigot tells a woman she should be barefoot and pregnant a bigot a tells a man he needs to bring home the bacon and sacrifice everything for his family. See, because women (and their baby making ability) have inherent value. Men, have no value unless they are acting in the provider role.

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