Evangelical pastor to stand trial in Massachusetts for alleged crimes against humanity

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A federal judge on Wednesday denied a motion to dismiss a crimes against humanity case brought against evangelical pastor Scott Lively of Massachusetts.


Lively is accused of violating international law by inciting the persecution of LGBT individuals in Uganda. The lawsuit was filed by the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) on behalf of Sexual Minorities of Uganda (SMUG) in 2012.

“We are gratified that the court recognized the persecution and the gravity of the danger faced by our clients as a result of Scott Lively’s actions,” CCR Attorney Pam Spees said. “Lively’s single-minded campaign has worked to criminalize their very existence, strip away their fundamental rights and threaten their physical safety.”

The lawsuit alleged that Lively aided the persecution of LGBT people in Uganda over the past decade and inspired notorious anti-LGBT legislation known as the “Kill the Gays” bill.

Written By: Eric W. Dolan
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  1. To get a flavour of what Scott Lively preaches, check out the Wikipedia description of [Wikipedia] “The Pink Swastika”…(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pink_Swastika)

    …in which Scott Lively employs the “one swallow makes a spring” style of syllogism to assert that since Ernst Rohm was a member of Hitler’s inner circle and Ernst Rohm was gay, ergo – gays masterminded the entire holocaust.

    Yeah, just two slight issues with that theory. Ernst Rohm was executed on Hitler’s orders in 1934 for being gay, and gay people were arrested en masse and sent to concentration camps but if you ignore all that and assert that Hitler was probably a closet case you can make the facts fit your preconceived prejudices.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Holocaust

    This is just part of what Lively preaches in Uganda where they’re discussing a “kill the gays” bill and in Russia, where they’ve just implemented a section 28 style law banning “Gay propaganda”.
    And Lively has the brass neck to call gay people Nazis.

    • Rohm’s execution was more likely due to Hitler’s consolidation of power because the SA was not under his perceived complete control. Not saying the gay thing didn’t play into it, but there was a larger purge going on at the time.

      In reply to #3 by Flapjack:

      To get a flavour of what Scott Lively preaches, check out the Wikipedia description of [Wikipedia] “The Pink Swastika”…(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThePinkSwastika)

      …in which Scott Lively employs the “one swallow makes a spring” style of syllogism to assert that since Ernst Rohm was a member o…

  2. Legal action against gay bashing is long overdue. Hopefully, this action will set a precedent in bringing hate mongers to justice.
    Lively eluded to his right in defending the Bible’s stance on homosexuality and there are many Christian preachers who hold and support this view. When this case is won in Massachusetts, it should go a long way toward recognizing the Bible, in whole or in part, as hate literature.

    • In reply to #5 by AlGarnier:

      Legal action against gay bashing is long overdue. Hopefully, this action will set a precedent in bringing hate mongers to justice.
      Lively eluded to his right in defending the Bible’s stance on homosexuality and there are many Christian preachers who hold and support this view. When this case is won in Massachusetts, it should go a long way toward recognizing the Bible, in whole or in part, as hate literature.

      Ain’t gonna happen. That would require updating the US Constitution, worshiped by Americans as an infallible holy book of sorts in it’s own right. Specifically the 1st Amendment which provides carte blanche not only to hate speech but all other manifestations of bullshit.

      • In reply to #10 by godsbuster:

        In reply to #5 by AlGarnier:

        Legal action against gay bashing is long overdue. Hopefully, this action will set a precedent in bringing hate mongers to justice.
        Lively eluded to his right in defending the Bible’s stance on homosexuality and there are many Christian preachers who hold and support thi…

        It could happen. Free Speech is limited if it can be proven to cause harm to the public. Religious practices can also be curtailed if there is proven harm to the public for example the case of Mormon’s and polygamy. The situation in Uganda is more extreme than just discrimination because there is a possible penalty of death. A person’s freedom of religion does not include the freedom to kill people. The hard part, as far as the court case goes, will be proving a link between Lively’s speech and the death and persecution of homosexuals.

      • In reply to #10 by godsbuster:

        In reply to #5 by AlGarnier:

        Legal action against gay bashing is long overdue. Hopefully, this action will set a precedent in bringing hate mongers to justice.
        Lively eluded to his right in defending the Bible’s stance on homosexuality and there are many Christian preachers who hold and support thi…

        If the 1st amendment already supports hate literature there is no problem. Even the Torah & Koran are safe under the charter. But, there is no reason why it cannot be adopted as hate literature by everyone else in the world. They all promote some form of hatred, even death for those practicing in homosexuality and various other natural human activities.

  3. @AlGarnier -

    Apologies, formatting and hyperlinks aren’t my strong suit, but if you look up “The Pink Swastika” on Wikipedia, you’ll get a fair impression of Scott Lively’s selective reading of nazi history.

    Any tips on hyperlinking on RD net gratefully received – the instructions I followed don’t seem to work.
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    • In reply to #8 by Flapjack:

      @AlGarnier -

      Apologies, formatting and hyperlinks aren’t my strong suit, but if you look up “The Pink Swastika” on Wikipedia, you’ll get a fair impression of Scott Lively’s selective reading of nazi history.

      Don’t feel bad. My links don’t work half the time either and I can program HTML if I have to. Its IMO a rather convoluted system. One of the problems is that the software often mistakes actual characters that are part of the link with markup characters. So for example an underscore is treated as a markup for emphasis to italicize but lots of file names, especially in Wikipedia, have underscores. So if you enter a URL with underscores it becomes a URL with the underscores removed and half the URL italicized! There are ways around it, in the help system I think there is a way to tell it “don’t treat the following as markup” kind of like nowki if you edit wikipedia but I often just feel its not worth the effort.

  4. The outcome of this story could tie in with the persecution complex that Christians seem to enjoy wallowing in so much. Though a trial for this man is just and overdue, I fear that he will seize his moment in the spotlight to cry foul, and piously declare that Rome is still out to feed true believers like him to the lions.

    Should this happen, the irony of this statement in the face of the agenda he championed in Uganda will not occur to him.

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