Save Our Secularism- Pakistan Bans RDFRS Website! (UPDATED)

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  1. I would like to donate, but when I click on the NEXT button, I get a complaint about my Japanese address not being in the right format. Yes, I chose Japan from the country list. I just love these American donation webpages that reject my donations. Saves me a lot of money.

  2. One other way to respond to this besides donating money (which I agree is a good idea) might be for rd.net to get more involved in the movement to promote Internet freedom from censorship. E.g., have a page somewhere prominent that points people to tools like Tor that help people browse anonymously and avoid censorship. I don’t know if using Tor would get around the Pakistan ban but I know there is free software out there often using peer to peer technology that is designed to subvert such bans.

    I did a quick search to see if I could find free software that you could add to Linux or Apache (what I’m guessing rd.net uses) to get around a nation’s Internet ban but couldn’t find anything. I would be interested if anyone knows of such software. Most of what I found were tools like Tor that are designed for the clients to get around Internet blocks but I didn’t find anything in my quick search that could help a blocked site at the server level, but I would be surprised if such software doesn’t exist.

    One interesting thing I did find is that in the case of Iran the US government works with various groups to help them get past Iran’s Internet censorship. Unfortunately, as far as the US is concerned Pakistan is one of the “good guys” so I doubt the US would provide the same support in this case.

  3. Donation sent. Thanks for the reminder to keep supporting RDF. It is needed just as much in the U.S. to fight against those who want us to become the Christian version of places like Pakistan and Iran. The American Taliban is alive and well — and far better funded!

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  5. In reply to #3 by Red Dog:

    One other way to respond to this besides donating money (which I agree is a good idea) might be for rd.net to get more involved in the movement to promote Internet freedom from censorship. E.g., have a page somewhere prominent that points people to tools like Tor that help people browse anonymously…

    You can host a webpage or any other normal Internet service in the TOR network: https://www.torproject.org/docs/hidden-services.html.en

    The service can only be reached by first connecting to the TOR network and would be invisible and untraceable from outside of TOR.
    Even within the TOR-network the identity and physical location of the machine hosting the service would be protected.
    This is much safer than a VPN solution. Since a government agency could compel a VPN provider to give information on traffic passing through their service VPNs aren’t bulletproof.

    It would be great if RDFRS’ website could be offered as a hidden service in TOR!

    • In reply to #12 by Tvergastein:

      In reply to #3 by Red Dog:

      One other way to respond to this besides donating money (which I agree is a good idea) might be for rd.net to get more involved in the movement to promote Internet freedom from censorship. E.g., have a page somewhere prominent that points people to tools like Tor that hel…

      I had a feeling something like that was possible, thanks very much for the info. Of course I absolutely agree, it would be awesome for Rd.net to do this. For one thing, they would have an option available in the future in case any other countries try this to the site. Also, it would help promote synergy between this group and others who are working for things that I think are shared goals, open access to information, free speech, etc. Plus just from a technology standpoint its really cool!! :)

    • In reply to #12 by Tvergastein:

      In reply to #3 by Red Dog:

      One other way to respond to this besides donating money (which I agree is a good idea) might be for rd.net to get more involved in the movement to promote Internet freedom from censorship. E.g., have a page somewhere prominent that points people to tools like Tor that hel…

      http://www.tor2web.org/ You can host onion services and let a third party redirect that to an iframe. Admittedly that does reduce the clients anonymity (connections to the third party site will be recorded and logged) but this in itself is not necessarily a bad thing.

  6. Pakistan is enjoying the “benefits” of pandering to fundamentalist religions!

    ISLAMABAD — The State Department has warned Americans not to travel to Pakistan and evacuated nonessential government personnel from the country’s second largest city because of a specific threat to the consulate there, a U.S. official said Friday.

    On Thursday, the State Department issued a travel warning saying the presence of several foreign and indigenous terrorist groups posed a potential danger to U.S. citizens throughout Pakistan.

    The country has faced a bloody insurgency by the Pakistani Taliban and their allies in recent years that has killed over 40,000 civilians and security personnel, and is also believed to be home base for al-Qaida leader Ayman al-Zawahiri. Most of the militant attacks have been in the northwest and southwest along the border with Afghanistan

  7. It took be about three minutes to adjust the slider. Please either just let me key the amount or decrease the sensitivity of the slider. You may be losing donations from people giving up in frustration.

    • Edit made. Thank you for the suggestion. You can now key in the donation amount.

      -Joel
      In reply to #15 by Roedy:

      It took be about three minutes to adjust the slider. Please either just let me key the amount or decrease the sensitivity of the slider. You may be losing donations from people giving up in frustration.

  8. Richard!! WTF are you doing?

    This bullshit way of propagandizing into our wallets is the sort of shit I expect from a religious sect!

    This is way way beneath RDFRS.

    This new guilt play for money is wrong wrong wrong and undermines the vital credibility you have personally assigned to, guaranteed us by way of your good name.

    If your objection to Pakistan’s ban on the RDFRS website is so important to you (and it should be) and secular Pakistanis – then ffs treat this matter seriously! Your advertisement comes across as nothing more than a bleeding-heart, pious ploy for cash. Sound familiar?

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m you’re biggest fan. Sometimes good friends have to be honest with one another, though it may hurt. That is what the best friends do.

    Don’t do it this way. Don’t word it this way.

    Get a powerful petition going or something but don’t do it this way – asking for more money without explaining PRECISELY what that money will buy, that is the Catholic way!

    Your ally always
    Tony

    • In reply to #29 by GoldenRule rules!:

      Richard!! WTF are you doing?

      This bullshit way of propagandizing into our wallets is the sort of shit I expect from a religious sect!

      Dawkins posts this money-grabbing appeal and then bans me from his website because he cannot take one ordinary man’s polite dissent and awkward questions. Ironic or hypocritical? Or both? Can you ask your friend to allow me access to hthis site and his FB page or will he lose the debate once more by banning me?

  9. compare sacred names “MARKUZE” to toilet paper names “Myers” or “Farley”

    and YES, you have made “REAL ENEMIES”

    and this is what happens to KOOKS like you:

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  10. I haven’t been on this website for a few weeks because I got fed up with the censoring (sudden disappearance) of many posts on certain topics. And the first thing I see on return is this article criticising censorship in Pakistan. Shouldn’t the title read “Save Our Particular Brand of Secularism”?

    • In reply to #31 by Dave H:

      I haven’t been on this website for a few weeks because I got fed up with the censoring (sudden disappearance) of many posts on certain topics. And the first thing I see on return is this article criticising censorship in Pakistan. Shouldn’t the title read “Save Our Particular Brand of Secularism”?

      I’ve never seen a site that didn’t moderate its comments. And I’ve never seen a site where I agreed with every single moderation decision. But compared to the rest of the Internet (not a very high bar but still) this site is IMO one of the best in trying to encourage reasonable discussion, keep people on topic, and weed out the offensive comments but not those that might be passionate but still appropriate.

      Are you suggesting that there be no moderation? Because I think that would be a lot worse.

      And if your comments occasionally get moderated into the cornfield you could use that as an opportunity to introspect a bit and think if perhaps you could have made your point a bit differently. And if you still feel it was unjustly censored then at least take some consolation that it happens to everyone.

  11. Thanks for taking up the cause. But this is just the tip of the iceberg – to use the cliche. Internet censorship is wide and rampant in Pakistan. Those interested in the subject may refer to the Wikepedia article : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Pakistan. A case of mindless bigotry in action is the blocking of YouTube over religious uproar following publication of supposedly blasphemous cartoons by the Dutch Paper, thus depriving millions of students and researchers from accessing the educational content.

  12. I truly support your cause and for science but this website is not banned in Pakistan and I am commenting on this website from Karachi.
    I think probably someone gave you false information. Please can you remove this topic

    • In reply to #36 by karchiite:

      I truly support your cause and for science but this website is not banned in Pakistan and I am commenting on this website from Karachi.
      I think probably someone gave you false information. Please can you remove this topic

      I believe what you said but its possible (and not all that surprising) that the ban just isn’t working all that well. The Internet was almost designed to be “ban proof”. Its rather ironic considering that the original goal was for the US Department of Defense to have a network that could survive a nuclear attack. But the resulting design was highly distributed and fault tolerant. The network “expects” that any node may be down at any time and just keeps trying alternative paths to re-route packets. Whether intentionally due to activists or unintentionally due to incompetent technical people trying to do the blocking its quite possible that areas in Pakistan can still get access.

      If you google “Richard Dawkins site banned in Pakistan” you will see several independent confirmations of this news. Here is an example, I haven’t been having much luck with links lately but here goes:

      [Pakistan Today: Dawkins Site Banned] (http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2013/07/24/news/national/torrent-sites-and-tumblr-go-the-youtube-way-in-pakistan/)

    • This is the kind of direct evidence that Dawkins ignored and instead launched a lucrative appeal without any true corroboration. One phone call to the humanist society in Pakistan would have resolved the situation but it was far more beneficial to the rdf not to do their research and instead launch an appeal.

      In reply to #36 by karchiite:

      I truly support your cause and for science but this website is not banned in Pakistan and I am commenting on this website from Karachi.
      I think probably someone gave you false information. Please can you remove this topic

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    FIGHTING THE FAKERS

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  14. You sir are a complete fraud. I live in lahore, pakistan and i use a static Ip address, this website is NOT banned here at all. Seeing as how a poster from karachi similarly has had no problems in accessing this site, i demand that you return the money you have collected via deceiving the community at large.

    For all posters: Dont contribute. Ask the admin to display my ip address as proof if you want.

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