Against the odds, Miss World starts in Indonesia after Muslim protests

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Miss World began amid tight security on the Indonesian resort island of Bali on Sunday after days of Muslim hardline protests that forced the venue for the beauty pageant to be moved.


As contestants put on dance performances at a glittering opening ceremony, around 100 police, including some armed with rifles, patrolled around the building where the contest is being held on the south of the island.

Hundreds of police have been deployed at hotels and venues linked to the pageant, which has caused anger in the world’s largest Muslim-majority nation.

Thousands of Islamic hardliners have taken to the streets across the country during the past week, denouncing the show as “smut and pornography” and burning effigies of the organizers.

Written By: Nusa Dua
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  1. Not necessarily progress. As much as it pains me to appear siding with muslims -this one they’ve got right albeit for the wrong reasons. The right reasons will readily become apparent to you upon contemplation of the notion of having male beauty pageants.

    • In reply to #1 by godsbuster:

      Not necessarily progress. As much as it pains me to appear siding with muslims -this one they’ve got right albeit for the wrong reasons. The right reasons will readily become apparent to you upon contemplation of the notion of having male beauty pageants.

      It does not seem to have done Arnie any harm!

      • In reply to #7 by Alan4discussion:

        In reply to #1 by godsbuster:

        Not necessarily progress. As much as it pains me to appear siding with muslims -this one they’ve got right albeit for the wrong reasons. The right reasons will readily become apparent to you upon contemplation of the notion of having male beauty pageants.

        It does not seem to have done Arnie any harm!

        You might wish to avoid equating “Miss” type beauty pageants with body building competitions while in the same room with body builders including female body builders (the activity that those women are engaged in being the true equivalent of what male body builders do) Any physical harm you were to come to would be entirely deserved.

    • http://www.mrworld.tv/

      For some reason, not as popular as Miss World.

      In reply to #1 by godsbuster:

      Not necessarily progress. As much as it pains me to appear siding with muslims -this one they’ve got right albeit for the wrong reasons. The right reasons will readily become apparent to you upon contemplation of the notion of having male beauty pageants.

        • Could very likely garner a gay audience – does that make it wrong. Does it matter whether the audience is straight or gay for male (or female) beauty pageants.

          If you are implying that women don’t get as much pleasure from merely looking at the male form as vice versa, you may be right. And that smaller market probably explains why less people are familiar with Mister World. I’m sure you would not be in favour of banning such events though?

          In reply to #13 by godsbuster:

          In reply to #8 by Marktony:

          http://www.mrworld.tv/

          For some reason, not as popular as Miss World.

          In reply to #1 by godsbuster:
          .

          Could this possibly garner a gay audience? Do women who watch this do it for laughs or out of pity for the contestants?

          • In reply to #16 by Marktony:

            Could very likely garner a gay audience – does that make it wrong. Does it matter whether the audience is straight or gay for male (or female) beauty pageants.

            If you are implying that women don’t get as much pleasure from merely looking at the male form as vice versa, you may be right. And that smaller market probably explains why less people are familiar with Mister World. I’m sure you would not be in favour of banning such events though?

            That I would oppose banning such events would be a correct assumption. I would not wish to deprive anyone of their preferred form of especially such harmless entertainment. That i would consider a particular group constituting the audience making it “wrong” or that I deem it”wrong” at all is a mistaken assumption. In fact, objectively, the Mister format seems less offensively objectifying than the Miss. Therewith perhaps reflecting the greater objectification women are subject to in society at large.

    • In reply to #1 by godsbuster:

      Not necessarily progress. As much as it pains me to appear siding with muslims -this one they’ve got right albeit for the wrong reasons. The right reasons will readily become apparent to you upon contemplation of the notion of having male beauty pageants.

      What do we, free thinking people, have to make of your reactionary stance? Don’t you know that men and women, aside from being intellectual beings, are both also objects of lust? You may want to do some reading on evolution.

      • In reply to #14 by Lonard:

        What do we, free thinking people, have to make of your reactionary stance? Don’t you know that men and women, aside from being intellectual beings, are both also objects of lust? You may want to do some reading on evolution.

        Thank you Lonard, well said. How easy it is to forget we are all animals and our attraction to well formed and well maintained members of the opposite sex is nothing to be ashamed about.

        Real progress would be when women can do what they want from bra-burning to Miss World without being judged by a bunch of misogynistic men and women, except the actual judges of course.

      • In reply to #14 by Lonard:

        In reply to #1 by godsbuster:

        Not necessarily progress. As much as it pains me to appear siding with muslims -this one they’ve got right albeit for the wrong reasons. The right reasons will readily become apparent to you upon contemplation of the notion of having male beauty pageants.

        What do we, free thinking people, have to make of your reactionary stance? Don’t you know that men and women, aside from being intellectual beings, are both also objects of lust? You may want to do some reading on evolution.

        You are entirely free as a non-reactionary free freethinker free to remain oblivious to the inanity of beauty pageants and free to have your objects of lust of a (prescribed freely, no doubt) very narrow age range patterned (often surgically and always with layers of makeup) after barbie dolls teetering atop heels known to be one of the main causes of foot problems in women. Does your lust also survive the Q & A part? If yes, then that’s one hell of a libido!

  2. I have to say that this is an example if holding one’s nose and going with the “less disliked” option here. Miss Anything pageants are examples of mindless objectification of women, but they are at least voluntary. I’ll take an intellectually vacuous celebration of vanity over a homicidal group of zealots any day.

    • In reply to #4 by Stevehill:

      I’m with the Muslims. Nothing justifies this tired, clapped out, misogynistic flesh ‘n’ tits show for leery voyeurs.

      Blimey it must have changed since it was shown on ITV then. All I remember about it was thin and very statically posed women in one piece bathing suits with disturbing fixed grins.

      This isn’t my cup of tea either but I am curious; does Mr Universe deserve similar disapproval? If not is a case of double standards? And if so how can it be misogynistic if men are being objectified in a similar competition?

      More to the point do people have a right in a free country to prevent programme makers making sexist TV or shows? It might be distasteful but banning it simply because it is distasteful seems to me to be a step to far down the road of censorship. In a free society we all know where the off button is.

      Please also remember that for many Muslims any display of female flesh from the toes up is offensive. That includes swim wear, lingerie catalogues; you name it. To me the idea that human being should have to cover themselves up so as not shame either the husband or father whose property they are deemed to be is the more offensive of the two positions.

    • In reply to #4 by Stevehill:

      I’m with the Muslims. Nothing justifies this tired, clapped out, misogynistic flesh ‘n’ tits show for leery voyeurs.

      And presumably women should cover up on the beaches too?

      I’m no fan of miss world, but neither am I a fan of religiots forcing other people to conform to their religion.

  3. And what exactly is wrong with male beauty contests. If people want to do it, male or female, then let them. However where are they holding the next one Afghanistan?Somalia? Saudi Arabia? the Millie Tant refuge for abused women?,the Burns unit at Holby city Hospital, this has got to be the face palm to end all face palms. Whatever next, an ecologically sensitive World Cup in Qatar, even Sepp Blatter wouldn’t be that stupid.

    Misogynistic Steve? i am a leery voyeur but i am definitely no misogynist, the two groups may overlap but are by no means synonymous.

  4. Women of course are not to be exploited as sexual objects to arouse the loins of men. No! They are possessions and should only be exploited as such and not permitted to choose how they conduct themselves. The prophet (may spittle freeze in his beard) has much to say on the subject of how women should be properly treated.

  5. Oh my god! Poor little Miss Lebanon, Miss Philippines and Miss Puerto Rico! My heart aches for these down trodden and oppressed beautiful beautiful women, I wonder how they will get on in life with their beautiful beautiful faces and well exercised bodies – I just despair!

    I understand from the comments that some posters may not find modelling and advertising suitable employment – thank god we have so many beautiful women to stand up and take the vast sums of money required to undertake such menial labour. Oh how I wish Miss Puerto Rico was cleaning hotel rooms instead but someone has to do it.

    While it is not an event I would watch I do live in a world where pants are better sold by young beautiful asses than mine and I insist, being in full possession of the evidence, that this is the correct way to sell pants.

    Don’t worry Miss Lebanon, I also work in an industry where aesthetic considerations are important, you have nothing to be ashamed of. Having said that don’t make the mistake that some do of assuming that yours is the only path, we need scientists, engineers and women in all fields.

  6. I had my stereotypes blown by Alyssa Campanella Miss USA 2011. She is the partner of my nephew Torrance Coombs (an actor, The Tutors) I expected her to be vain, shallow, conceited, but she was a hoot.

    A number of Islamic groups have an extreme prudishness, including Wahabis, Muslim brotherhood, Taliban. I don’t think the average Indonesian is going to get upset, but it would easy for one of the whackos to resort to violence.

  7. The contest has been moved to Bali which is Hindu rather than Muslim. Protesters claimed they were prepared to die to stop the “smut”.

    They had 100 police guarding the building where the contest was held.

    Muslims can be such PITAs. This is the problem with a religion that teaches you have a right to meddle in the lives of non-believers.

  8. alaskansee comment 12

    Oh my god! Poor little Miss Lebanon, Miss Philippines and Miss Puerto Rico! My heart aches for these down trodden and oppressed beautiful beautiful women, I wonder how they will get on in life with their beautiful beautiful faces and well exercised bodies – I just despair!

    Oh come now lets be realistic, inane grins, vaccous stares, plastic boobs and eating disordered ravaged bodies doing something that requires the personality and IQ of a brussels sprout and will last as long as it takes to age two or three years and be supplanted by the next lot of pretty airheads.

    I really could weep when one of the most repressive, primitive religions in the world seems to be way ahead of someone on a Richard Dawkins website. These women may appeal to you but to young women they present toxic role models. This competition was an anachronism 50 years ago, and for possibly the first time ever I’m with the Muslims.

    • In reply to #23 by PG:

      alaskansee comment 12

      Oh come now lets be realistic, inane grins, vaccous stares, plastic boobs and eating disordered ravaged bodies doing something that requires the personality and IQ of a brussels sprout and will last as long as it takes to age two or three years and be supplanted by the next lot of pretty airheads.

      Your view of women is disgusting. These are consenting adults engaged in a respectable profession that is around us ever day.

      I really could weep when one of the most repressive, primitive religions in the world seems to be way ahead of someone on a Richard Dawkins website. These women may appeal to you but to young women they present toxic role models. This competition was an anachronism 50 years ago, and for possibly the first time ever I’m with the Muslims

      Your friends are disgusting and are in no way on your side. You are at the opposite end of the spectrum from them wake up.

  9. alskansee comment 12

    understand from the comments that some posters may not find modelling and advertising suitable employment – thank god we have so many beautiful women to stand up and take the vast sums of money required to undertake such menial labour. Oh how I wish Miss Puerto Rico was cleaning hotel rooms instead but someone has to do it.

    Do you not think there is something essentially wrong with a society that pays women more to stand there doing nothing like some kind of personality free barbie doll than it does to clean hotel rooms, or look for cures for cancer or defend people in courts or build things or do hair or lets face do something!! Don’t you think that is essentially just wrong?

    Whilst you’re oohing and ahhing over these women lets consider the real women with real jobs. Lets consider Lt Islam Bibi, the first female Lt in the Afghan police force – shot for doing a real job. Or Cmd Nilloofa, the first women to graduate from the Afghan flying school in over 30 years, now flying Chinooks I believe. Or Malala standing up for education and the rights of women to be something other than dollies.

    This contest is an anachronism. The fact Muslim fundamentalists opposed it does not really make it right or change that at all.

    Please do not praise these idiots. They are free to choose to be plastic morons fit only to be leered at for three years or so, but I cannot believe anyone in the 21st century would be praising them for it. Especially not on a website like this.

    • In reply to #24 by PG:

      alskansee comment 12

      Do you not think there is something essentially wrong with a society that pays women more to stand there doing nothing like some kind of personality free barbie doll than it does to clean hotel rooms, or look for cures for cancer or defend people in courts or build things or do hair or lets face do something!! Don’t you think that is essentially just wrong?

      Of course not, modelling is an essential part of society and always will be. It’s also a better paid part of society by a long margin and if you have the looks and the skills why would it not be on you list of possible jobs a long way ahead of being a maid.

      Whilst you’re oohing and ahhing over these women lets consider the real women with real jobs.

      I’m not oohing or ahhing and you are not physic (still you amateur ad-hom made me laugh). These are real women and this most certainly modelling is a real job.

      Lets consider Lt Islam Bibi, the first female Lt in the Afghan police force – shot for doing a real job. Or Cmd Nilloofa, the first women to graduate from the Afghan flying school in over 30 years, now flying Chinooks I believe. Or Malala standing up for education and the rights of women to be something other than dollies.

      So what, lets consider all women as valuable, not just your list. With massive international publicity and platform some of these women may be able to make a difference in the future.

      This contest is an anachronism. The fact Muslim fundamentalists opposed it does not really make it right or change that at all.

      Let’s think for a second, does the world need models, yes. Therefore the beauty industry including local pageants and international ones are perfectly relevant to modern society.

      Please do not praise these idiots.

      Oh dear, looks like you’re the idiot and a bit sexist too!

      They are free to choose to be plastic morons fit only to be leered at for three years or so, but I cannot believe anyone in the 21st century would be praising them for it. Especially not on a website like this.

      I think you’ve said it all, or should I say nothing. The most you contributed is massive insults to women you don’t even know, from idiots to plastic morons you are truly blinkered. I’m sorry your opinion of women is so low and your ability to think so impaired by your prejudice.

      Good luck to all the contestants, beauty is only skin deep and they will need a great deal more than that to win.

  10. Don’t worry Miss Lebanon, I also work in an industry where aesthetic considerations are important, you have nothing to be ashamed of. Having said that don’t make the mistake that some do of assuming that yours is the only path, we need scientists, engineers and women in all fields.

    Yeah but we really don’t need Miss Lebanon. To paraphrase Martin Luther King, I look forward to the day when a women is judged by the size of her contributions to society rather than the size of her breasts. And Miss Lebanon really is holding that day back!

    • In reply to #25 by PG:

      Yeah but we really don’t need Miss Lebanon.

      Yes we do, saying it doesn’t make your obviously incorrect statement true. Look around, the world is a beautiful place, including some of the people. (I think Jerry Seinfeld said it was 95% ugly – people wise)

      To paraphrase Martin Luther King, I look forward to the day when a women is judged by the size of her contributions to society rather than the size of her breasts. And Miss Lebanon really is holding that day back.

      I think MLK jnr. would agree we can’t tell what Miss Lebanon’s contribution to society is before she has done anything. Don’t you think it would be nice to wait before you judge her? Like let’s say Iman, not only has she tirelessly worked to keep aging pop stars from releasing too many new tracks…

      Somalian supermodel Iman was honoured at the BET Honors event which took place in Washington DC on Saturday 15th of January 2011. Iman was honoured for her charitable endeavours, including her work as a celebrity spokesperson for the Keep A Child Alive Foundation. Iman has supported various charities over the last two decades. Areas of focus include AIDS, World Hunger and At-Risk Youth.

      To NOT paraphrase MLK jnr., but to just quote him directly “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.” I hope if they choose to be models they will not be judged by people like you who can only see their breasts.

      Like many people, including models, I too am judged on every job I do on very limited criteria that in no way reflect me as a whole person. I hope you can open your heart, as MLK jnr. said, “I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bear.”

      You have done the equivalent of judging Brian Cox when he was in D:ream [Last part of sentence deleted by moderator to bring within terms of use.]

    • In reply to #26 by Rosbif:

      Two things: 1. Why on earth would anyone organise such a thing in a Muslim controlled country? 2. Muslims protesting an event that treats woman as chattels, now that’s funny.

      I would hope its because more enlightened countries have refused to host it because it is an anachronism. And that only a Muslim controlled country would retain the backward view of women as chattels required to actually think it’s ok?

  11. Smut and pornography?! Really? I guess Indonesians haven’t seen what FREE online lately… not that I would know, myself. I’m just saying.

    Anyway, I’m not so sure these types of contests are “must-see” type viewing for the smut and pornography crowd – ya know – MEN. I think the typical audience is lame-brained, shallow WOMEN! I think women participate in these embarrassing contests to impress other women more than they look to impress men.

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