Australian PM vs Christian Radio DJ

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Discussion by: Timothy McNamara

Live on Q&A, the ABC TV political and social forum tonight, Prime Minister of Australia Kevin Rudd appeared to face Tony Jones and the live audience as well as viewer 'Tweets'. He did so alone, as the opposition leader Tony Abbott declined the invitation. The two men are campaining for the federal election to be held this Saturday.

During the show (55:23) a Pastor at a local church and Radio DJ was given the microphone, when he made remarks that his callers were not voting for Kevin Rudd, P.M. Due largeley to his stance for marriage equality.

The questioner went on to say "Every Pastor, we do marriages between husbands and wives. And, you know, Jesus said a man shall leave his father and mother (groans now audible from crowd) and be married, and that's the biblical definition. I just believe in what the bible says and I'm just curious; for you Kevin, if you call yourself a Christian, why don't you believe the words of Jesus, in the bible?"

The Prime Minister responded: "Well mate, if I was gonna have that view, the bible also says that slavery is a natural condition. (resounding applause) Because St. Paul said in the New Testament: Slaves, be obiedient to your masters. And therefore we should've all fought for the confederacy in the U.S. civil war. I mean for goodness sake, the human condition and social conditions change… "

"….If you think homosexuality is an unnatural condition, then frankly I cannot agree with you based on any element of the science. And therefore if a person's sexuality is as they are made, then you've got to ask the second question; should therefore their loving relationships be legally recognised? and the conclusion I've reached is that they should."

The program is viewable on 'abc iview', albeit mostly relevent to the Australian audience which goes to the polls this Saturday. I would note that the Prime Minister is predicted to lose the election to the liberal (tory/republican) opponent Tony Abbott. A devout Catholic and Climate change skeptic. In my view the opposition has said nothing of value during the campaign but to play on general disillusionment amongst voters. A negative campaign against the government from our 70 PERCENT Murdoch-owned print media has greased the path to our county dismissing a highly intelligent leader. We will dismiss a leader fluent in Chinese, highly experienced in foreign affairs and one whos policies reach out decades, not months. His replacement will see us aquire a leader set to join Vladmir Putin as a global laughing stock , a "strong man poser" (Abbot is frequently in the press doing sports, even in 'speedos' at the beach, or doing military obstacle courses).

 

TJ McNamara

43 COMMENTS

  1. And, you know, Jesus said a man shall leave his father and mother (groans now audible from crowd) and be married, and that’s the biblical definition.

    That just basically says men should get married. It says absolutely nothing about the validity of same sex marriages.

    Logically, this bigot should be bashing single men.

    • In reply to #1 by Roedy:

      And, you know, Jesus said a man shall leave his father and mother (groans now audible from crowd) and be married, and that’s the biblical definition.

      That just basically says men should get married. It says absolutely nothing about the validity of same sex marriages.

      The rest of it is “cleave unto his wife”.

    • In reply to #4 by adiroth:

      I wish the discussions would be published faster because as of right now, Tony has already won & he’s going to send the island back to the stone age.

      I am moved to comment at relative length as, in the wake of the Aussie election, several atheist-centric sites I frequent have had similar shock, horror postings and ‘chicken little’comments in response. As an Australian (and swinging voter) who voted for the Liberals this time round I have found a fascinating aspect of this election is the over the top gloom and doom nonsense spouted by die hard laborites, such as your ‘stone age’ comment.

      This election was about far more than Gay Marriage – or the questionable carbon tax (questionable for its structure). Historically, we had Kevin Rudd deposed by Julia Gillard, then Kevin undermining Julia for the past three years, eventually being brought back as Julia was ousted by her own party nine weeks away from the election in a desperate move by the labor party to avoid a bloodbath at the hustings. Last election, Julia had promised ‘no carbon tax under a government I lead’ and then broke that promise to appease the greens in the senate. Sure, broken promises are a political fixture, but this was a bit of a whopper.

      The labour primary vote this election was the lowest it has been since WW2 – Labor and the pundits attribute much of it to their infighting but let’s not forget the green loans debacle (described as “the clearest example of this government’s gross mismanagement of the climate change plans” by Greens Senator Christine Milne), the laptop for every child debacle, Senator Conroy’s (another looney Christian) push for a mandatory internet filter, the 3.45 BILLION home insulation debacle, the 450 GP Super Clinics promised, of which only three were delivered, the 1 billion cash for clunkers debacle….and on and on it went. The public had lost confidence in this Government.

      It is disingenuous to simply highlight a single issue when there are so many other factors at play. The Australian people as a whole are not stupid, they have had enough of a Government that couldn’t get its shit together and have exercised their democratic right at the ballot box.

      The Australian Right is nothing like today’s USA Republican Right. However the religious currently in Canberra do seem out of kilter to the ratio in the general populace. Tony Abbot studied for the seminary; hardly a plus in my book, but here is what Wikipedia states about Kevin: Rudd is the mainstay of the parliamentary prayer group in Parliament House, Canberra. He is vocal about his Christianity and has given a number of prominent interviews to the Australian religious press on the topic. Rudd has defended church representatives engaging with policy debates, particularly with respect to WorkChoices legislation, climate change, global poverty, therapeutic cloning, and asylum seekers..”

      As an atheist I don’t favour either one for their respective religious views. At least Julia was in an unmarried relationship and an atheist which always reassured me we were way ahead of the USA on the political scene!

      Fact is whether labor or liberals were voted in at this election there would have been pros and cons either way, neither party is that extreme in relative terms. Social issues like Gay Marriage will evolve inexorably just as women’s rights have, it is inevitable that at some point the barriers will come down. Tony Abbot is personally opposed despite having a Gay sister…but so is Penny Wong, a labor senator who is in a committed lesbian relationship, she has publicly maintained she is opposed to a Gay Marriage Referendum.
      Pleading single issues out of context to a largely uninformed readership (i.e. international and largely uninformed or understandably disinterested) is disingenuous and dare I say it, reminiscent of certain strategies employed by the religious

      • In reply to #14 by ireligious:

        In reply to #4 by adiroth:

        I wish the discussions would be published faster because as of right now, Tony has already won & he’s going to send the island back to the stone age.

        I am moved to comment at relative length as, in the wake of the Aussie election, several atheist-centric sites I frequent…

        I appreciate your lengthy, considered assessment of the factors at play in our current federal election. This is a site drawing opinions about science and atheism however, so I think it’s quite appropriate that these issues are the ones being aired.

        What you are saying is quite true in regards to the fact that people on the other side of the world are not necessarily au fait with the complexion of our party system, I’m not a swinging voter and obviously my politics are completely at odds with yours.

        As you’ve introduced an overview of our current political position, I’d like to add that the forces of the propaganda machine ( the media) were operating at full strength for the entire term of government. It was unrelenting!!! The hung parliament was met with a constant barrage of negativity from day one.

      • In reply to #14 by ireligious:

        In reply to #4 by adiroth:
        I am moved to comment at relative length as, in the wake of the Aussie election, several atheist-centric sites I frequent have had similar shock, horror postings and ‘chicken little’comments in response. As an Australian (and swinging voter) who voted for the Liberals this time round I have found a fascinating aspect of this election is the over the top gloom and doom nonsense spouted by die hard laborites, such as your ‘stone age’ comment.

        Before I start I am not a labour voter (have in the past) but not for a few elections. I don’t disagree with much of what you have said here. The Labour party is a mess internally, this clearly had almost everything to do with their defeat. Kevin’s slide in the polls which saw him disposed began when he first claimed that global warming was ‘the greatest moral challenge of our time’ and then delayed it because Tony Abbott assassinated the then liberal lead Maclom Turnbull (I’m aware you’d know this just giving background for anyone following from O.S.) over his agreement to have an emission trading scheme. Other factors brought about his slide in popularity. Gillard taking over then results in Australians complaining that they didn’t get their chance to kick him out themselves (which bugs the hell out of me because in our political system we don’t vote for a PM we vote for a local representative). A minority government is the result of the next election and the parliament and Gillard is forced to do something about Global warming as a condition of cooperation of the greens and independents. So let’s have none of this nonsense about Gillard lying about not introducing a Carbon tax of the lie of all lies. This is rubbish. She was in favour of an emission trading scheme which she had to drop to gain power, compromise is always a feature of government so this no more a whopper than John Howard saying he would never introduce a GST. Essentially we got a carbon tax instead of an emissions trading scheme (which was the agreed to by the liberal party under Turmbul before Abbott knifed him over the issue), I personally don’t have an opinion on which is better I think both schemes promised far to little (based on the science). Again hardly the political lie of the Century.

        If Gillard or Rudd had had the intestinal fortitude to to stand for anything one of them would likely still be in power. Abbott’s success seems to me to have been largely a matter of keeping his mouth shut on anything of any substance for the last six months. So no, I don’t think the sky is going to cave in but as one of the worlds largest exporters of Coal with a PM who believes climate change is crap and knifed the party leader in the back for agreeing to do something about it, and the parniod Clive Palmer (coal miner) holding seats in the Senate, along with family first (conservative religious zealots), a motoring and sporting party (hardly going to block the removal of the Carbon tax), and who knows who else I think things for everyone will continue to get worse when we should be desperately be trying to make them better. In addition to this as a serious catholic I very much doubt Gay marriage has any chance in the next three years even though the many Liberals support it they will not, however be allowed to vote their own beliefs as Tony’s ideology will rule the day there.

        • In reply to #20 by Reckless Monkey:

          “So let’s have none of this nonsense about Gillard lying about not introducing a Carbon tax of the lie of all lies.”

          Have a look at Politifacts finding (Mostly True)
          http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/19/tony-abbott/did-gillard-break-her-no-carbon-tax-promise/

          She lied. All politicians are creative or economical with the truth, but this was a major turn around to appease the greens.

          • In reply to #22 by ireligious:

            In reply to #20 by Reckless Monkey:

            “So let’s have none of this nonsense about Gillard lying about not introducing a Carbon tax of the lie of all lies.”

            Have a look at Politifacts finding (Mostly True)
            http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/19/tony-abbott/did-gillard-break
            She lied. All politicians are creative or economical with the truth, but this was a major turn around to appease the greens.

            Which is exactly what I said, she had to change her position (call it a lie if you like), My point is the result of which is we got a carbon tax, instead of an emissions trading scheme. Like it or not she was likely to do one or the other. So effect on the Australian people, probably very little in either scheme as they were only trying for very little (but at least it was something that could be built on gradually). Abbott on the other hand assassinated the then Leader Turnbul after the liberal party had taken a vote to go along with Kevin’s emission trading scheme. Effect no price on carbon and any business who invested in doing the right thing has now been disadvantaged not once but twice. Trying to suggest that Julia’s lie was the travesty of the century is just plain ridiculous.

      • In reply to #14 by ireligious:

        As an Australian (and swinging voter) who voted for the Liberals this time

        As an Australia who didn’t thanks. No action on climate change, more destruction of the environment, no fibre optical net to the home, continuing discrimination against gays, political interference with academic research funding, less rights for workers, harder times for the poor and disadvantaged, …

        That’s just the stuff we know about. Just wait until all the things we don’t know about appear. Remember these are the guys who invented core and non-core promises.

        Well I guess you’ve made Murdoch’s day.

        Michael

      • In reply to #14 by ireligious:

        In reply to #4 by adiroth:

        I wish the discussions would be published faster because as of right now, Tony has already won & he’s going to send the island back to the stone age.

        I am moved to comment at relative length as, in the wake of the Aussie election, several atheist-centric sites I frequent…

        Nice summary- how weird to exchange an atheist for a Mad Monk!!

    • In reply to #4 by adiroth:

      I wish the discussions would be published faster because as of right now, Tony has already won & he’s going to send the island back to the stone age.

      True- just a small quibble… Continent, not ‘Island’

  2. adroth :

    I wish the discussions would be published faster because as of right now, Tony has already won & he’s going to send the island back to the stone age.

    Well that will make Gina Reinhart very happy ! After all she owns all those businesses digging up stones and selling them on, mainly to China of course !

  3. The most troubling aspect of our brand new PM is his attitude to climate change. He intends to dismantle the Carbon Tax which has already had modest success since its introduction in July. As he doesn’t believe that climate change is hastened by human activity and has only recently acknowledged that the globe is warming at all, he and his government will make little effort to curtail our emissions.

    Gay marriage is just one more feature of his conservative, social outlook. The majority of Australians are in favour of marriage equality, but it’s not going to happen under his watch.

    • In reply to #6 by Nitya:

      The most troubling aspect of our brand new PM is his attitude to climate change. He intends to dismantle the Carbon Tax which has already had modest success since its introduction in July. As he doesn’t believe that climate change is hastened by human activity and has only recently acknowledged that…

      Well, his entire raison d’etre is driven by fanatical Catholicism; I don’t believe he can make national policy unaffected by that…

  4. Clive Palmer a conservative Billionare coal miner also gained a seat in parliment inspite of being completely paraniod (condiders that Rupert Mudocks ex-wife was a Chinese spy).

    Our new PM will now dismantle the carbon tax ironically causing all the busnesses that had spent in some cases millions of dollars preparing to be competative in an environment where carbon was going to increasingly cost something to pollute. Their investment is now for almost naught (many will save money in the long term), but their competators who have done nothing but winge at increasing costs (and passed them onto consumers) have now been rewarded for continuing to pollute and have gained an advange over those that have reduced emissions.

    Any progressive countries out there want a disillusioned Aussie athiest high school teacher?

    • In reply to #7 by Reckless Monkey:

      Clive Palmer a conservative Billionare coal miner also gained a seat in parliment inspite of being completely paraniod (condiders that Rupert Mudocks ex-wife was a Chinese spy).

      Our new PM will now dismantle the carbon tax ironically causing all the busnesses that had spent in some cases millions o…

      Those voting for our billionaire mine owner think that some of that money is going to rub off onto them by association. His interests are with him and his ilk. Little thought for anyone else.

      • In reply to #8 by Nitya:

        In reply to #7 by Reckless Monkey:

        Those voting for our billionaire mine owner think that some of that money is going to rub off onto them by association. His interests are with him and his ilk. Little thought for anyone else.

        Agreed, while I am glad he supports a kinder approach to refugees I suspect it is all in aide of having a greater pool or un-unionised workforce which he can fire at will during fluctuations in world mineral prices.

    • In reply to #7 by Reckless Monkey:

      Clive Palmer a conservative Billionare coal miner also gained a seat in parliment inspite of being completely paraniod (condiders that Rupert Mudocks ex-wife was a Chinese spy).

      Our new PM will now dismantle the carbon tax ironically causing all the busnesses that had spent in some cases millions o…

      The entire western world has been busy electing the wrong people. What possible explanation can there be except the ‘protest vote’?
      Any self-respecting nation will welcome a disillusioned Aussie athiest!! I recently left Oz after 30 yrs of mostly ecstatic residence for much the same reasons and can say that becoming a world citizen is very satisfying…

      • In reply to #26 by Billy Joe:

        In reply to #7 by Reckless Monkey:

        Clive Palmer a conservative Billionare coal miner also gained a seat in parliment inspite of being completely paraniod (condiders that Rupert Mudocks ex-wife was a Chinese spy).

        Our new PM will now dismantle the carbon tax ironically causing all the busnesses tha…

        Any recommendations?

  5. At this point the climate-denying “Liberals” have a 10 point lead. They are expected to get a majority in the lower house, but third parties should block them from getting one in the upper house. This may prove useful is derailing climate change denier legislation.

    • In reply to #10 by Roedy:

      … but third parties should block them from getting one in the upper house. This may prove useful is derailing climate change denier legislation.

      I hope you’re right but Tony Abbott is already threatening to dissolve both houses of parliament if his abolition of the carbon tax doesn’t get passed by the upper house. That means another election for both houses.

  6. Any refugees thinking of coming to Australia are in for a hard time. Tony (supposedly a caring Christian) is planning to “stop the boats” by using the navy to turn them back. He’s even silly enough to think Australia can buy up Indonesian fishing boats (250, 000 of them???) to stop the refugees from leaving Indonesia. Oh well, maybe us disilllusioned Aussies can used the boats to flee to New Zealand for the next three years.

    • In reply to #13 by David W:

      silly enough to think Australia can buy up Indonesian fishing boats (250, 000 of them???) to stop the refugees from…

      David, I’ve considered seeking moral refugee status from New Zealand in my despair over these bogans gaining control of our country.
      I imagine we could fill the boats with scientists and intellectuals before allowing for the remaining minority of rational folk who support science and reason.

    • In reply to #13 by David W:

      Any refugees thinking of coming to Australia are in for a hard time. Tony (supposedly a caring Christian) is planning to “stop the boats” by using the navy to turn them back. He’s even silly enough to think Australia can buy up Indonesian fishing boats (250, 000 of them???) to stop the refugees from…

      Aussies probably won’t qualify as ‘refugees’!! Them kiwis in the east islands are tough birds!

  7. “We will dismiss a leader fluent in Chinese, highly experienced in foreign affairs and one whos policies reach out decades, not months.”

    Rrrright, the Chinese must love him after his much publicised “Those Chinese f—ers are trying to ratf— us” comment describing the Chinese Delegation to the Copenhagen World Climate Summit. He certainly demonstrated his masterful diplomacy, experience and tact on that occasion.

    And then there is this classic

  8. @OP – Live on Q&A, the ABC TV political and social forum tonight, Prime Minister of Australia Kevin Rudd appeared to face Tony Jones and the live audience as well as viewer ‘Tweets’. He did so alone, as the opposition leader Tony Abbott declined the invitation.

    It is an unfortunate feature of apathetic humans, that they vote against policies they don’t like, while indulging in whimsical idealistic dreaming about what is possible.

    A government party which has taken SOME unpopular decisions is more likely to be voted out, than someone who hides in the background avoiding specific policy details and facing in as many directions as possible.

    In-fighting and foot-shooting within parties, also hastens their exits from power!

  9. The one bright spot on the horizon after the Saturday election, is the probable demise of Sophie Mirabella. This means that I won’t have to put up with her rudely talking over other panelists on Q&A. This obnoxious, conservative politician looks like being voted out of her electorate. Fingers crossed.

  10. Hi,
    I am an Australian, and even a Christian. And I voted for Kevin Rudd before Tony Abbot because Tony Abbot is wripping 4.5 Billion dollars away from foreign aid, I believe the poor are more important than a person sexual preference. I ask if you read this please help me campaign the new Australian government asking them to reinstate the aid budget. I have a petition online at http://www.futureandahope.net/poorhelp.php that is aimed at gathering support for the poor. Please sign it and have mercy as Jesus asks us to. Also I have sent a Open Letter to Tony Abbott asking for new plans to be implemented to help the poor in line with current policy. Please email him at http://www.tonyabbott.com.au/ saying you support the following letter I sent. Love is the fulfilment of the Law.
    Greetings Tony Abbott,

    First I would like to start with a Statistic there are an estimated 1.2 million children trafficked each year – the majority of them being lured, bribed or forced into the sex-trade. That’s one child every 26 seconds!

    This is a terrible statistic sexual abuse of minors is deplorable. Yet we as an international community are not doing our part. I would like to present to you a plan that I feel would help you gain some credit with the International Aid community, a bond and trust that you have broken by reducing International Aid.

    We need to be seeking International solutions to the issue of legalised child sexual abuse. Western nations have laws that prevent the exploitation of minors, this is a good thing. What I would like to propose to you is Australia as a nation should spear head an attack on the issue of child prostitution. To do this I propose you as a nation lobby the International Court of Justice to implement international laws that govern the age of consent. Currently there are only National laws. You should seek to introduce a World wide law that governs the youngest age for a person to have sex. I suggest 18 years of age. If international laws can be introduced it will put pressure on non conforming nations to do what is right. And will act as a pretext for international action to end child prostitution. I ask that you consider using some of the Aid Budget for the issue of child prostitution.

    I know that you have reduced the aid budget, but I ask that you seek a long term solution to this problem. It is my desire to see a 10% tax for the poor on company investment. If an Australian company makes a return of 9% on investment, i.e. 9% company growth. 10% of the 9% growth must be paid to help the poor. That is a total tax of 0.9%. i.e. if a companies share price increases by $10 the $1 would be given to the poor. 50% to social services in Australia, and 50% to the poor overseas. Due to the volatility of the market some times it is up some times it is down, you would not collect the tax on the actual return but on the average return which has been 9.1% over the last 10 years. So the tax would be set at 0.91% each term regardless of whether the actual return was 14% of 4%. Investors are generally rich people who can afford to help the poor. While there are millions of children living in poverty the rich need to be willing to share the small percentage to help them.

    I would also like to see some simple and cost free plans aimed at increasing community giving to reduce stress on government giving. I propose that two things be done to encourage giving by the community. The first is to legislate that a percentage of prime time TV be assigned to the purpose of charitable advertising. 50% to overseas and, and 50% for local issues. Some TV stations do assign time to charities, however this is in time slots that are rarely ever seen. To stress this point I personally have never seen, or at least don’t remember seeing, a TV ad for a charity. We need to be assigning sufficient time to actually make significant change to community attitude, and giving. I propose as a minimum 2 TV ads per night, in evening TV, one for international aid and one for local issues. This will not effect the bottom lines of the TV stations, but will be sufficient in terms of educational and fund raising purposes. Nightly exposure to the needs in both our local community, and the international community will vastly improve community giving, and will act to educate the community to charitable needs. Having it legislated that there must be a balance between local and international issues will prevent the exultation of one form of giving over the other. I stress the vital importance of this being legislated, not voluntary, legislation protects and provides for all future generations. To further encourage community giving I suggest that school students be given a lesson each year of study as to the importance of caring for the needs of others. One lesson will not impact the busy study schedule but will help young people to learn from an early age that it is important to care for others needs. Giving in my opinion is more important to the development of healthy society than may other topics that are taught in schools.

    I have these plans recorded at http://www.futureandahope.net/poorhelp.php in more detail along with other suggested types of taxation for the purpose of supporting the poor. Please let me know your thoughts on these ideas.

    Robert Palmer

    • In reply to #34 by FutureAndAHope:

      Hi,
      I am an Australian, and even a Christian…This is a terrible statistic sexual abuse of minors is deplorable.

      I agree Robert.

      Australia is one of the delinquent nations who failed to legislate for the protection of children by 2009 as required when we signed up to the Convention of the Rights Of the Child (UNCROC).

      Only two places in the world are authentic, unadulterated 100% Christian societies. They afford us a glimpse of what occurs to children when everyone is focussed on Jesus. Only the Vatican and Pitcairn Island can provide us an idea of how purely Xian communities function when isolated from secular constraints.

      Recently a majority of the male residents were convicted for raping children on Pitcairn Island. Many among the minority were also charged but escaped conviction, or as with the women who knew what the men were doing, were never prosecuted. There was never a non-Xian resident in centuries.

      To date the Vatican has avoided prosecution although damning results of investigations worldwide continue to mount.
      So we know what to be careful of, being aware that 70% of child rape occurs in families which are reliably religious. Atheism is protective against all forms of child abuse, especially sexual abuse, so could we ask for your help to promote atheism Robert?

      • In reply to #35 by Len Walsh:

        You said “so could we ask for your help to promote atheism Robert” … get me enough signatures on my online petition and I might consider righteous. So far I have more Christian signatures than athiest. The last time I posted on an atheist site they all said they did not care and not one of them signed. If you truly do care about the Child prostitution be a good boy and sign my petition and contact my prime minister and tell him athiests care about the poor too. Sign at http://www.futureandahope.net/poorhelp.php

        • In reply to #36 by FutureAndAHope:

          In reply to #35 by Len Walsh:

          You said “so could we ask for your help to promote atheism Robert”…

          Robert, if the welfare of kids really mattered to Christians they’d abandon exploiting them.

          Our new national look (Abbottshitstan) will promote the abuse of ever more kids, unfortunately, as Cardinal Pell doubles as Tony’s moral and scientific advisor.

  11. Rudd’s’ stance on marriage equality reeks of pure, unadulterated bullshit. Rarely has the Australian parliament had amongst its membership such a manipulative, calculating individual as Rudd. The man is well known for his Christian religious views, and previous opposition to same sex marriage. Miracle of miracles, moments before an election he was predicated to loose (and did) he “changed” his view on same sex marriage. The man deserved an Academy award for his performance – and certainly caught the attention of both the Australian and international LGBT community.

    Rudd is a well-known master of the back-flip and has been caught out lying to the electorate repeatedly. The likelihood that the man believed even a word of what he said seems remote, at best. Personally, I’d vote for self-interest and preservation of his role as PM as his drivers in this – not some changed belief about same sex marriage. When he comes forward as a man who has “lost the religion” and then professes a belief in marriage equality, maybe I’ll believe him. Until that day, I’ll consider him to be just another self-serving politician, with near zero integrity.

  12. A warm thank you, to all that commented on my topic. I’d like to direct the following updates to those commenters that likened my personal summary of Abbott’s election to “doom and gloom”.

    It has come to light there will, under Abbott, be only ONE female cabinet minister. Afghanistan’s cabinet now has more women.

    The ministerial portfolio of ‘science’, is gone. Australia will not have a science minister any more. It now has a minister for sport, but no longer a minister for science.

    The above two ‘revelations’ should have LNP Coalition apologists/voters hanging their heads in shame. They can of course, privately question their place on RDFRS as well. Such a scolding is no doubt water off a duck’s back however, to those who knowingly voted for a climate change sceptic and former priest candidate. They can’t have valued science or the input of female humans too highly to begin with.

    TJ McNamara

    • In reply to #39 by Timothy McNamara:

      A warm thank you, to all that commented on my topic. I’d like to direct the following updates to those commenters that likened my personal summary of Abbott’s election to “doom and gloom”.

      It has come to light there will, under Abbott, be only ONE female cabinet minister. Afghanistan’s cabinet now…

      I wonder what David Suzuki will have to say when he appears on Q&A next Monday night.

        • In reply to #42 by Timothy McNamara:

          In reply to #40 by Nitya:

          Can’t wait. Should be a great show!

          What did you think of Q&A? I felt that there was an underlying hostility, especially with the tweets. David Suzuki has always been warmly welcomed when he has visited in the past, but this time I think there was a real anti-science bias ( even from Tony Jones). I’d say that the attitude of the Liberal Govt is starting to manifest itself already.

  13. Every Pastor, we do marriages between husbands and wives. And, you know, Jesus said a man shall leave his father and mother (groans now audible from crowd) and be married

    I’m always amazed at how little most Christians really know the bible. I’m no scholar but I don’t recall any quote where Jesus said “leave your parents and go get married” or anything resembling that. If he is referring to the quote I think he is, the actual quote goes like this:

    Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it. (Matthew 10:34–39)

    That doesn’t sound like warm and fuzzy family values to me. The scholars that I have read are usually (for once) in agreement about how to interpret this. It meant that Jesus and his new religion (like most religions) required absolute loyalty. The normal bonds that would exist between family members (even good missionary position hetero husbands and wives) were meant to come after the bonds of the new church.

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