Boy Scouts remove ‘God’ from oath in UK, welcome atheists to the ranks

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In what secularists hail as a step toward welcoming atheists into the Boy Scouts, the Britain Scouting Association has approved an alternate version of the Scout Promise that makes no mention of God.

For more than a century, British Scouts have promised: "On my honor, I promise that I will do my best, to do my duty to God and to the Queen, to help other people and to keep the Scout Law."

NBC News reported Monday that "the first part of the promise (was) tweaked to read: 'I promise that I will do my best to uphold our Scout values.’ ”

Scouting officials in the U.K. said the Scout Promise has been altered before to accommodate Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and non-citizens who are not subjects of the queen.

Written By: Matthew Brown
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12 COMMENTS

  1. An interesting point in this article is that we in the UK are “subjects” while in America people are citizens.

    I wonder if Jefferson et al had that distinction in mind when drawing up the Constitution.

    • In reply to #2 by aquilacane:

      Subjects of the Queen

      What an insult. When will we kick these freeloaders out?

      I thought since the Maastricht Treaty was signed, we are all Citizens of the European Union. Now, if you want to see freeloaders with their snouts in the trough of the biggest gravy train the world has ever seen, look no further than Brussels.

      • In reply to #4 by GPWC:

        In reply to #2 by aquilacane:

        Subjects of the Queen

        What an insult. When will we kick these freeloaders out?

        I thought since the Maastricht Treaty was signed, we are all Citizens of the European Union. Now, if you want to see freeloaders with their snouts in the trough of the biggest gravy train…

        Yep Brussels and EU is the problem. Hail Herr Farage!

        This sort of monarchist drivel is the reason why Britain is still a monarchy with a house of lords.

    • In reply to #2 by aquilacane:

      Subjects of the Queen

      What an insult. When will we kick these freeloaders out?

      Insult indeed. Similar reason why I haven’t taken up British nationality yet :(

      Affirmation of allegiance

      I (name) do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that on becoming a British citizen, I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, her Heirs and Successors, according to law.

  2. Not sure putting kids in military style uniforms, asking them to salute and swear oaths ( secular or not) and award them gongs pinned on their shirts is the way forward.
    Anyway enough of these lame fascist comparisons I am off to listen to talk sport, can’t wait for tomorrow’s england game, if we can defeat Poland tomorrow then next year the world is there for the taking.(not)

  3. I do not pretend to understand the war of words that the previous posters are engaged in. Some things I know about, and some things I don’t. I hope I do not run afoul of the Mods because they have allowed the posts to stand, I wanted to open by acknowledging the issue and letting those involved know that it seems to be a very specialized beef. Perhaps if i knew more about it, I’d be able to formulate a coherent post about it….

    However, unless this OP is pure make believe, I am going to voice the opinion that the Boy Scouts may be heralding in a new zeitgeist. I mean, this is an organization that has literally been hating and belittling other human beings since 1908. And, founded in Britain, no less! I’d like to be optimistic (for maybe the second time in my life) and say, welcome to the present, BSA. It is a pretty wonderful time, glad you could make it. Now, let’s buckle down and finish the job.

  4. I personally think this is great news, that what is traditionally a very conservative organisation has taken a step forwards.

    It’s very easy to slag off the scouts, but my experience of scouting (from age 8 ish to about 18) was entirely positive.

    And I also find it ironic still that it was being forced to go to church twice a year with the scouts that played a very large part in informing my atheism. I do still wish I had refused to say the part of the promise that referred to serving god. But it didn’t burn my lips to say it.

  5. Baden Powell? Ah, yes, the chap who expressed such a delighted interest in photographs of nude boys.

    As far as I know he didn’t molest anyone, but just imagine what reaction that interest would elicit from the present-day media!

  6. Some parents of Scouts (including myself) have had concerns about the religious aspects of Scouting, but our concerns are usually outweighed by the benefits of outdoor adventures, leadership opportunities, and training in safety and first-aid, all of which contribute to character development. My experience with our Troop has been that the religious aspects have been minimal and open to individual interpretation. I congratulate the Scouting organization of the UK for their step forward, officially including non-theists in their ranks. I hope that Scouting in the US will soon follow their example.

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