Catholic Church tried to strike deal with police over child sexual abuse investigations

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The Catholic Church tried to strike an agreement with New South Wales Police that would have helped shut down investigations into paedophile priests and placed police in breach of the Crimes Act.

Police records, accessed under freedom of information laws by Greens MP David Shoebridge, show two attempts were made to finalise memorandums of understanding (MOUs) between police and the church over how to deal with complaints of sexual and physical abuse by Catholic Church personnel.

The first agreement, which was unsigned, includes a clause that reads: "Church authorities shall make available the report of an assessment and any other matter relevant to the accused's account of events only if required to do so by court order."

Barrister Geoffrey Watson SC says the agreement would have placed police in breach of the Crimes Act.

"If you become aware of a serious criminal offence, you've got to tell the police," he told the ABC's Lateline program.

"When I looked at the MOUs they were really in effect trying to get the police to condone the failure to comply with that law, or even perhaps worse, get the police to participate in that."

Written By: Steve Cannane and Sashka Koloff
continue to source article at abc.net.au

27 COMMENTS

    • In reply to #4 by Petersalole:

      “We had a line of communications with the police…”

      yes I believe we all do its called 911

      Actually 000 where this reports comes from.

      Thanks for putting this up. There is some appalling stuff coming out of various enquiries going on in Australian that needs wider publicity.

      Michael

  1. Scum of the earth. There is no need to make deals, there is law, follow it or pay. If this doom cult isn’t wiped from the earth by the courts it needs to be burnt to the ground by the people. Fucking sick bastards. Get me some rope.

    • In reply to #5 by aquilacane:

      Scum of the earth. There is no need to make deals, there is law, follow it or pay. If this doom cult isn’t wiped from the earth by the courts it needs to be burnt to the ground by the people. Fucking sick bastards. Get me some rope.

      It’s nothing personal aquilacane, but such comments as yours are not helpful. They are bad strategy and help provide the RCC hierarchy with a rod with which to beat us. I can only suggest that for all our sakes you moderate your language.

      “Never hate your enemy, it clouds your judgement.”

      Fraternally,

      S G

  2. The worst part is that while I’m disturbed on multiple levels, I am in no way surprised. Easily the wealthiest organization of it’s kind on earth that they would try to buy off their troubles is not surprising.

    That millions of worshipers continue to take them seriously when stuff like this comes out about the RCC on a routine basis, that continues to surprise me.

    • In reply to #7 by achromat666:
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      That millions of worshipers continue to take them seriously

      A friend, still in the honeymoon stage of her recent conversion to catholicism, was required to study and test on “signs of abuse” in order to volunteer with kids at church. Now if that isn’t handwriting on the wall; she is the epitome of compartmentalization where the RCC is concerned.

  3. In reply to #6 by Stafford Gordon:

    In reply to #5 by aquilacane:

    Scum of the earth. There is no need to make deals, there is law, follow it or pay. If this doom cult isn’t wiped from the earth by the courts it needs to be burnt to the ground by the people. Fucking sick bastards. Get me some rope.

    It’s nothing personal aquilacane, b…

    I couldn’t have said what aquilacane said better myself…I too ‘feel the way’ aquilacane feels – but he writes his feelings so honestly….what’s the problem with that Stafford ? you almost sound like your sticking up for the sick paedophile creeps who wanna make shady deals with the law to get off with countless crimes against innocents….that’s sooooo even more sickening than normal criminals….sick because religion pontificates and expects people to behave like saints when the leaders themselves behave like f *** ng slimy animals..
    I suggest if you don’t like strong language used against those types of people…. then don’t look here…what do you mean that language its not helpful….what are you – goody goody mother ? its actually very helpful in the right place and honest !…..its not that vile when its justified ! …..what the catholic leaders did is vile – don’t miss the point…

    • In reply to #9 by Roedy:

      But why would police even negotiate such an agreement?

      • entrapment
      • bribe
      • fear of Catholic black magic
      • fear of Catholic temporal power
      • desire to protect the reputation of the church.

      Personal close relationships of faith-head officers with their priests or bishops???

    • In reply to #9 by Roedy:

      But why would police even negotiate such an agreement?

      entrapment
      bribe
      fear of Catholic black magic
      fear of Catholic temporal power
      desire to protect the reputation of the church.

      Because the police force contains a disproportionately large number of Catholics. ( I don’t have the statistics to back it up, but a close relative is in the force). IMO the structure and ethos is similar to the RCC and has appeal as an occupation.
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      • In reply to #13 by Nitya:

        In reply to #9 by Roedy:

        Because the police force contains a disproportionately large number of Catholics. ( I don’t…

        This is particularly so in New South Wales, where this RCC manipulation was attempted. Catholicism grips a large percentage of the population here, more so than other states in Australia.

    • In reply to #9 by Roedy:

      But why would police even negotiate such an agreement?

      There have been claims of a “Catholic mafia” within the NSW police force:

      [http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-26/police-whistleblower-accused-of-making-outrageous-claims/4782832]

  4. Dear Pope Francis,

    Your church is a ‘whited sepulchre’,to quote your own holy book.Your book also says”take out the log in thy own eye,then shall thou see to be able to remove the speck from thy brother’s eye,” or words to that effect.This is not the time to be giving atheists advice about abiding by their conscience as you did not so long ago.Neither is it time for your priests to be forcing little girls to have babies,when they are babies themselves.
    Your people have made the life of many innocents miserable and those responsible for these crimes should be brought swiftly to justice,and not shielded ,as they have been under your voluminous skirts. You seem to be a decent person, if somewhat misguided so ,how about a massive springclean.

    PS What about Sanal Edamakuru. He’s in exile because of your thugs.We atheists,although I should not presume to speak for us all,would be delighted if,instead of patting us on the head and making soothing noises,you spoke out against some blatant injustices perpetrated by your people.

  5. I am appalled… though I can’t say I’m surprised. I still have the words of Pope Francis from another thread resonating in my memory “Jobless young people and lonely old people is the worst evil in the world nowadays”

    Ah…. No. That would be YOUR organization. If you REALLY care about people, clean up your house first. THEN…. perhaps we might take your appearance of good will seriously…. Maybe. The whole world is watching: time to put your money where your mouth is… “Your Holiness” !!!

    Tick tock tick tock….

  6. Matthew 7:15-20

    Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
    Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
    Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
    A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
    Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

  7. This sort of thing is why I’m not overly crazy about having a devoted catholic for PM. That he has not denounced his Catholicism in the light of these sorts of crimes says something about his character.

    • In reply to #18 by Reckless Monkey:

      This sort of thing is why I’m not overly crazy about having a devoted catholic for PM. That he has not denounced his Catholicism in the light of these sorts of crimes says something about his character.

      Tony Blair hid his conversion to catlickism while he was in office in case people considered him to be a bit of a nutter. It didn’t work and he has since appeared on a debate trying to peddle the notion that catlickism has been a force for good.

      Now I think in a Machiavellian sense you have to take your hat off to a politician who has some skill in defending the indefensible even if you don’t like him or his policies.

  8. I cannot see what’s so surprising about this. This is exactly to be expected from the rcc. The rcc will do anything, ANY THING, regardless of legal or moral considerations to distance itself from accusations of, and prosecution for, child rape.

    • In reply to #22 by CH1954:

      I cannot see what’s so surprising about this. This is exactly to be expected from the rcc. The rcc will do anything, ANY THING, regardless of legal or moral considerations to distance itself from accusations of, and prosecution for, child rape.

      you think they’d learn though

  9. The catlicks have been conniving and chiselling with various political agencies for centuries. Read Cornwell’s “Hitler’s Pope” to get a measure of the extent of their damnable meddling.

  10. Ivan Milat, AKA The Backpacker Killer, was an Australian serial killer who was convicted of murdering 7 people (he is believed to have murdered many more). He is now in serving a life sentence in prison without possibility of parole. What a travesty of justice it was because the police didn’t have an “agreement” with Milat about investigating his crimes.

  11. Isn’t there something deeply wrong about an organisation which preaches that it’s followers must practice truth and honesty at all times. Yet repeatedly, all over the world, when it’s officials are found to have breached one of the most important trusts we could place in an adult human – i.e. the proper care and protection of children – the Catholic Church’s reaction has been to cover up, defend it’s reputation, hide the truth.

    Evil is usually too simplistic a word when used by a priest, but in this case it seems to be an appropriate description of the organisation as a whole.

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