Christian delusions are driving the GOP insane – Salon.com

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Why aren’t Republicans more afraid? The entire premise of both the government shutdown and the threats to force the government into debt default is that Democrats care more about the consequences of these actions than the Republicans do. Republicans may go on TV and shed crocodile tears about national monuments being shut down, but the act isn’t really fooling the voters: The only way to understand these fights is to understand that the GOP is threatening to destroy the government and the world economy in order to get rid of Obamacare (as well as a panoply of other right wing demands). Just as terrorists use the fact that you care more about the lives of the hostages than they do to get leverage, Republican threats rely on believing they don’t care about the consequences, while Democrats do.

So why aren’t they more afraid? Businessweek, hardly a liberal news organization, said the price of default would be “a financial apocalypse” that would cause a worldwide economic depression.  This is the sort of thing that affects everyone. Having a right wing ideology doesn’t magically protect your investments from crashing alongside the rest of the stock market.

The willingness of Republicans to take the debt ceiling and the federal budget hostage in order to try to extract concessions from Democrats is probably the most lasting gift that the Tea Party has granted the country. More reasonable Republican politicians fear being primaried by Tea Party candidates. A handful of wide-eyed fanatics in Congress have hijacked the party. The Tea Party base and the hard right politicians driving this entire thing seem oblivious to the consequences. It’s no wonder, since so many of them—particularly those in leadership—are fundamentalist Christians whose religions have distorted their worldview until they cannot actually see what they’re doing and what kind of damage it would cause.

Written By: Amanda Marcotte
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26 COMMENTS

  1. Christian delusions drive everyone insane.

    Read this earlier, bur Salon, even though it is an app on my tool bar, leans too for to ideological bias to do a story I do not wince at even if the story is basically correct.

    • In reply to #1 by Neodarwinian:

      Christian delusions drive everyone insane.

      Read this earlier, bur Salon, even though it is an app on my tool bar, leans too for to ideological bias to do a story I do not wince at even if the story is basically correct.

      Yes- even Salon can be reasonable at times, much to my amazement!

  2. What do these fundamentalists care? The entire world could go up in flames and they’d be squinting into the glare trying to catch a glimpse of the Saviour making his triumphal SECOND and FINAL visit to earth.
    Jesus is coming again and boy is he pissed at the non Christians.

    The entire world is at risk from the fanatically minded, be they the above mentioned or the foaming at the mouth musloons.As an aside, it is ironic that people look upon us atheists with such revulsion when all we want is freedom for everyone to live their lives without having mad dogma , inimical to humane values rammed down their throats.

  3. I had to look up panoply.LOL….Get rid of these pseudo caste systems.We as a people can take the government back and right the idiocy that has been unconstitutional and expressively criminal. Stand and Fight. With your sheild, or on it.

  4. The US needs a UK type system, where if the lower house passes legislation 3 times it goes through automatically.
    The other UK system recommended, would be that if a government’s budget fails to pass, this triggers an election where voters get to express a view on those who deadlocked the government procedures.

    • In reply to #5 by Alan4discussion:

      The US needs a UK type system, where if the lower house passes legislation 3 times it goes through automatically.
      The other UK system recommended, would be that if a government’s budget fails to pass, this triggers an election where voters get to express a view on those who deadlocked the government…

      Call a snap election? Interesting possibility, any idea what the poll ratings are currently?

  5. Do you think – I hardly dare to suggest – that some of these wingnuts actually think they have some sort of religious obligation to help precipitate the “end times” they bang on about?

    Because they are very much behaving that way.

    • In reply to #7 by Stevehill:

      Do you think – I hardly dare to suggest – that some of these wingnuts actually think they have some sort of religious obligation to help precipitate the “end times” they bang on about?

      Because they are very much behaving that way.

      Yes, it’s implicit in much of what they say (and what Republicans have been saying openly since the 1980s). I’m surprised more isn’t made of this, because it should automatically disqualify anyone from being taken seriously in running for political office. They have as good as declared that they want to make things worse rather than better.

  6. Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, saying things like the health care law is “a profound attack on our liberties” and lamented “Today is the day I will tell my grandchildren about when they ask me what happened to freedom in America.”

    yes, do that

    • In reply to #8 by SaganTheCat:

      Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, saying things like the health care law is “a profound attack on our liberties” and lamented “Today is the day I will tell my grandchildren about when they ask me what happened to freedom in America.”

      yes, do that

      A “profound attack on their liberties”? How does that guy’s brain operate well enough for him to be able to breathe?

  7. It’s not that, in the case of most fundamentalists, that they look forward to whatever paradise is promised them by the particular religious strain that has infected what brain they have – they fear death just as much (actually, much, much more, which is the point of all their bragging about “looking forward to the End Times”) – but much more horribly that most really take pleasure in knowing people somewhat unlike themselves – or at least not THEM – are suffering or will suffer MORE than they will, and die sooner and in more pain.

    That’s the appeal of the “new” fundamentalism. Maybe most of its appeal.

  8. Sadly, the United States was founded to avoid all the religious dogma of Europe (God made you poor, you will therefore stay poor, etc), and now it is being dragged right back down the same hole with all the so-called ‘Christian’ right. And by the way, the original Christian teachings were as left-wing as you can get– “Meek inherit the earth, eschew riches, don’t covet, charity to the poor” etc etc. How did the Right manage to co-opt all this into their money-grubbing-to-hell-with-everyone-else attitude? It beggars belief that we can stand by and watch this happen.

  9. Here’s the real story.

    They know that when the shit hits the fan, they can blame someone else. There are no repercussions.

    Look, I am being beaten over the head with a baseball bat. Do you think I give a shit if the bat is half blue and half red? It is the GOVERNMENT doing this. The baseball bat is BOTH democratic AND republican. To issue this type of article is to fall into the ideology that will ensure that the situation spirals downwardly.

    It is like saying “the blue side of the bat hit my head… It is the blue side of the bat’s fault”. See the big picture, none of them (blue or red) have anything to lose because they are better than all of us. They will not have obamacare. They will not be interrupted by the government shut down. Their kids will still have everything they want. They will earn 157,000 dollars this year and next year they might vote themselves a 40% increase. They (all of them) are out of control.

    Our forefathers were smart enough to put “checks and balances” in place so that no individual could leverage control. It is time to put a new set of checks and balances into play. I’d like to offer this, when the GOVERNMENT SHUTS DOWN, THE PEOPLE RUNNING THE GOVERNMENT ARE FIRED.

    • In reply to #12 by crookedshoes:
      Our forefathers were smart enough to put “checks and balances” in place so that no individual could leverage control.

      Er – that’s not looking too smart right now.

      ‘Gridlock’ is the bane of US political discourse, and gives completely disproportionate weight to (say) PACs which are wholly owned by one or another moneyed interest. The kindest thing one can say is that the founding fathers had no bloody idea of the extent to which their ideals might be prostituted by people willing to pimp them. But a reappraisal is now necessary.

  10. Insurance companies have been allowed to destroy the country. And, it is largely because the politicians have stake in the insurance companies profits or are directly PAID by them.

    A quick anecdotal story: I work as a hematology technician at a hospital in the summer. The 5th floor of our hospital was (WAS) the Psych ward. A man checked in who was in acute crisis. His insurance covered 72 hours of hospitalization. He was released after 72 hours. He went home and killed his wife and his son and himself. The wife’s parents brought a 10 million dollar wrongful death suit against the hospital (the insurance company walked away clean). they won the suit and that settlement closed the psych ward. Now, no one gets help.

    There is no money in treating mentally ill folks. So, insurance companies have systematically shut down every facility.

    Conflict of interest SHOULD bar almost every congressman/woman from voting on issues. It is destroying the country. The fall of the American Republic….

    I guarantee that a congress comprised of formerly homeless folks would do a better job than the current group of greedy shitheads and crooks and religiously motivated asshats.

    • In reply to #18 by crookedshoes:

      Insurance companies have been allowed to destroy the country. And, it is largely because the politicians have stake in the insurance companies profits or are directly PAID by them.

      A quick anecdotal story:

      Many people in the US don’t realise how things work elsewhere.

      Here’s another anecdote.: …. . .. . .

      Last July I was hit by a falling log while 20 foot up a tree doing tree surgery.
      I got down by myself after my son freed me, and later called an ambulance.
      I was told it would arrive in half an hour – but it arrived in 15 minutes.
      The crew offered me a choice of local hospital and took details.
      About and hour after arrival, I had a CT scan, followed by an operation the same night to repair internal injuries.
      I left hospital a week later, but have had follow-up checks since.

      As I am now past retirement age, I no longer pay national insurance contributions (deducted from my earnings), but remain covered by the UK National Health Service.
      I simply gave them my reference number and was not required to make any payments.
      I am now exercising to get back to full fitness, and have progressed as far as cutting hedges, digging my vegetable plot, and climbing ladders to catch up with some painting.

      I suspect a lot of US citizens would like this sort of service. It also sets pay levels for the medical staff it employs.

      • I waited 7 and 1/2 hours in an ER with my son when he was five years old. He had a BOWEL OBSTRUCTION!!! 7 and 1/2 hours to be seen by someone.. And, I have great insurance. Our system is broken, but if anyone thinks that the politicians are going to fix it, you should probably rethink that stance. It makes them rich when it is broken. They have no incentive to fix it.

        In reply to #19 by Alan4discussion:

        In reply to #18 by crookedshoes:

        Insurance companies have been allowed to destroy the country. And, it is largely because the politicians have stake in the insurance companies profits or are directly PAID by them.

        A quick anecdotal story:

        Many people in the US don’t realise how things work elsew…

  11. In reply to 19 by Alan4discussion

    I too am retired, and am benefiting from the UK health system, having had treatment for a blood clot on the lung, and surgery to correct the shoddy job the Almighty made of designing my prostate.

    Trouble is, if you look at the readers’ letters on the websites of the Daily Mail and the Daily Telegraph, you will see that only too many of our fellow Britons share the attitudes of the American Right. More worrying still, I recently read an article revealing that a lot of young people think the same way, and not particularly for religious reasons.

    Remember the phrase that summed up the philosophy of the selfish: “I’m all right, Jack.” Empathy, I fear, is on the way to extinction.

    • In reply to #21 by CEVA34:

      Trouble is, if you look at the readers’ letters on the websites of the Daily Mail and the Daily Telegraph, you will see that only too many of our fellow Britons share the attitudes of the American Right. More worrying still, I recently read an article revealing that a lot of young people think the same way, and not particularly for religious reasons.

      Some of our hospital trusts are being criticised for appointing managers who achieved government finance targets by giving poor service resulting in patient deaths. Others are being criticised for delivering the service but going over budget doing so.
      Cameron’s clown cabinet is pretending that these failings should be addressed by bringing in management by the US healthcare companies who are “doing such a wonderful job”, in the states – oh and sponsoring his party!

      The Tory rags you mention are promoting this, with many ill-informed gullibles lapping it up!

      Even the Torygraph has articles debunking Health Secretary Hunt’s ridiculous views and health policies!
      Here is a letter he wrote in reply to criticism of homoeopathy.
      http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100179258/jeremy-hunt-health-secretary-thinks-homeopathy-works/

      Dear Mr Ellis,

      Thank you very much for your letter regarding EDM 1240 in support of Homeopathic Hospitals. I appreciate that you are disappointed that I added my name to this motion, and read your comments on this issue with interest.

      I understand that it is your view that homeopathy is not effective, and therefore that people should not be encouraged to use it as a treatment. However I am afraid that I have to disagree with you on this issue. Homeopathic care is enormously valued by thousands of people and in an NHS that the Government repeatedly tells us is “patient-led” it ought to be available where a doctor and patient believe that a homeopathic treatment may be of benefit to the patient.

      I am grateful to you for taking the time to write with your concerns. I realise that my answer will be a disappointing one for you, but I hope that the letter helps to clarify my view.

      Yours sincerely,

      (Signed)

      Jeremy Hunt Member of Parliament South West Surrey

      Who but a rip-off artist or muppet, would appoint this clown as a health minister in the Westminster government!
      BTW: The NHS use of homoeopathy looks a bit like a damp squib in most places. (Those damned “mainstream” NHS doctors are not sending their patients for this “valuable treatment” the health minister is promoting! – They obviously need American service providers to help them sort out their priorities!)

      • In reply to #22 by Alan4discussion:

        Alan, I too am a British retiree enjoying free (i.e. I’ve already paid for it….) care from the NHS. As I have since birth. And I simply cannot comprehend why allegedly sane people anywhere have a problem with the idea of universal healthcare.

        That said, let’s not get too blinkered about the virtues of the NHS. It has a lot of vested interests (managers, consultants, unions) who are viscerally resistant to often quite small changes which could make things work better. The Tories don’t have all the answers, but the NHS is improvable. My wife has had some appalling “care” in recent months for a chronic condition, at one of the UK’s leading teaching hospitals – including spending two days on a trolley on high doses of morphine for pain-killing without seeing a doctor because the relevant specialists had all gone AWOL and nobody knew where to find them. Seriously.

        Friends in France swear by their system, which the World Health Organisation praises as a model for the rest of the world to aspire to. And its per capita cost, like Britain’s, is about half of US levels.

  12. Up here in Canada we have a fairly decent system but there is talk of bringing in the private sector. My brother had testicular cancer and had it taken care of pretty quick. He was in and out right away. Saw the best doctor for the job and had very good treatment. All covered of course. We see our family doctor quite regularly and have not had a bill for anything. If my government can’t provide good healthcare, I don’t need them. Nothing else matters if I’m dead.

  13. In reply to #23 by Stevehill

    I do agree with you, but the problem is, the more extreme right-wingers (not all of them are Tories!) don’t want to “improve” the NHS, they want to abolish it, by creeping privatisation. They are, like so many Americans, opposed to universal healthcare on principle. After World War II, a number of people who were able to do so, left the UK because they hated the Welfare State. An example was John Dickson Carr, a very successful detective novelist born in America, who had lived in the UK for about 15 years.

    In the case of America, the irony is that the people who most loudly dismiss genuine Darwinism, themselves advocate extreme Social Darwinism.

  14. I have serious concerns for my health and well-being when I get older. I had a procedure a couple of years ago. Navigating through the maze of Explanations of Benefits, percentages paid, what I owe, how certain services were medically coded, etc. was highly stressful. Mistakes were made and it was a mess. I recently have been dealing with another mess as a result of physical therapy. I cannot imagine being elderly and having a serious disease or life threatening situation occur and then dealing with the red tape. The stress is enough to kill someone.

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