Fresh effort to clone extinct animal

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Scientists in Spain have received funding to test whether an extinct mountain goat can be cloned from preserved cells.

The bucardo became extinct in 2000, but cells from the last animal were frozen in liquid nitrogen.

In 2003, a cloned calf was brought to term but died a few minutes after birth.

Now, the scientists will test the viability of the female bucardo's 14-year-old preserved cells.

The bucardo, or Pyrenean ibex, calf born through cloning was an historic event: the first "de-extinction", in which a lost species or sub-species was resurrected.

Written By: Paul Rincon
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  1. Not sure what the point would be other than to further the science a bit. Bring it back and “sportsmen” would just kill it off again.

    Notwithstanding that our god gave us dominion to slaughter at will, I just don’t get hunting in this age. It would be one thing if the hunters with their $10,000 guns were starving but this sport is all about the joy of killing things and it speaks volumes about our species.

    If these poor beasts were truly good to eat, they would still be abundant. They’d have been domesticated by the farm loads and had abatoires and restaurants named in their honor. But no, this was just killing for the fun of it.

    • In reply to #1 by rjohn19:

      If these poor beasts were truly good to eat, they would still be abundant. They’d have been domesticated by the farm loads and had abatoires and restaurants named in their honor. But no, this was just killing for the fun of it.

      Humans have a track record of killing things off that are delicious. See the Dodo bird, the macrofauna of Australia and New Zealand, and probably most of the giant ice age mammals. That being said, yes this animal was hunted to extinction for sport purposes.

    • In reply to #1 by rjohn19:

      Not sure what the point would be other than to further the science a bit. Bring it back and “sportsmen” would just kill it off again.

      Notwithstanding that our god gave us dominion to slaughter at will, I just don’t get hunting in this age. It would be one thing if the hunters with their $10,000 g…

      Exactly. Few, if any, people actually need to hunt in the developed world in order to eat. It’s all about men (and some women) getting some sort of thrill out of killing just for the hell of it – as evidenced by trophy hunting and game farms where hapless animals are shipped in and “protected” so they can be shot at for sport by wealthy assholes like Dick Cheney. As if it’s somehow “sporting” to go after an animal with planes, helicopters, 4-wheelers, high-powered rifles with scopes and laser sights, camo gear, dogs, etc., etc. I’ve often wondered how these “humans” would like it if their positions were reversed and someone was buzzing them from an airplane and blasting away at them. Assholes. And I can say that because I once hunted and fished for food as a young, poverty-stricken single mother in rural Montana. I hated killing animals, but my son and I did it sparingly and used it all for food. It was never done for sport, and I never killed any animal I wasn’t going to eat. My son cried the first time he shot a deer. It wasn’t a clean kill and he had to track it down and finish it off. He couldn’t understand the sport hunters either and thought they must be psychopaths who just hadn’t graduated from torturing animals to killing people.
      Recently, here in the Northwest, there has been controversy over removing wolves from the Federal Endangered Species list and allowing hunting again. Humans relentlessly wiped out this magnificent predator from the lower 48 states only to start killing it again the minute it starts to recover? The rationale for this is that the wolves are killing off elk and deer and depriving the states of the revenue they get from out-of-state hunting licenses because licensing is based on herd numbers. Or that wolves threaten cattle and sheep (they wouldn’t have to resort to eating cattle and sheep if hunters and ranchers hadn’t killed or driven off their natural prey). Or that wolves are going to get so numerous that they’ll threaten little kiddies on the school playground in Bumfuck, Idaho. Or something.
      Assholes.

      • In reply to #8 by Sue Blue:

        In reply to #1 by rjohn19:
        wealthy assholes like Dick Cheney.

        He would have people hold up fowl so he could shoot them. No wonder the man got his jollies from the counts of civilians exterminated.

        Various rare animals are raised on farms and killed in ways barely different from slaughtering cows. The hunter mounts the head in his den and pretends to his friends he risked his life hunting.

        In hunting humans, rifles can shoot 3 KM. Drones can kill from 12,000 miles away. Yet still the myth of manhood and bravery persists.

    • In reply to #1 by rjohn19:

      Not sure what the point would be other than to further the science a bit. Bring it back and “sportsmen” would just kill it off again.

      Notwithstanding that our god gave us dominion to slaughter at will, I just don’t get hunting in this age. It would be one thing if the hunters with their $10,000 g…

      the point is to bring back species that we, humans, have exterminated.

      in the early 1900, commercial hunters almost exterminated America’s white tail deer population, it was the “sportsmen” that stopped it. it was the “sportsmen” that chose to tax themselves, the Pittman-Robertson excise tax on guns, ammunition, hunting licenses …, that brought back the herd from near extinction. in fy2011 that tax brought in over 1/2 billion dollars for wildlife restoration and habitat acquisition and restoration. No other group or government agency has come even close to doing as much.

      in 1982 an anti-hunting group stopped the Florida deer hunt (court action), normally 1/3 of the herd are harvested, that year 2/3 of Florida’s deer starved to death. you tell me which is more cruel being hunted or starving.

      for your information, deer have been domesticated in Europe for centuries, they are called reindeer.

      • In reply to #9 by larrys92120:

        In reply to #1 by rjohn19:
        for your information, deer have been domesticated in Europe for centuries, they are called reindeer.

        More precisely, reindeer are caribou, a member of the cervid family.

        • In reply to #12 by Roedy:

          In reply to #9 by larrys92120:

          for your information, deer have been domesticated in Europe for centuries, they are called reindeer.

          More precisely, reindeer are caribou, a member of the cervid family.

          There seems to be some confusion here:- Reindeer are kept as domesticated caribou, in Lapland by nomadic herders. Fallow deer, Roe deer, and Red deer, are kept in deer parks in Britain and some other European countries. Some also roam wild in the hills and forests.

          Reindeer and those in parks, are usually culled for population control and meat, rather than being “hunted”. Some in forests are hunted as pests which damage forestry plantations.

    • In reply to #1 by rjohn19:

      If these poor beasts were truly good to eat, they would still be abundant. They’d have been domesticated by the farm loads and had abatoires and restaurants named in their honor. But no, this was just killing for the fun of it.

      I saw a good Punch cartoon with astronauts greeting aliens. one alien says to the other ‘this is all good but we’re in real trouble when they find out when we are chocolate coated with a chewy minty centre”

  2. This particular animal appeals to me aesthetically. Cloning it is just a part of the work. The hard part is finding it some habitat where is can live unmolested. They will need cells from multiple animals to bring back the species. A clone cannot breed with itself.

  3. Hunting has always thrown me off as any kind of sport, the hunters here in Michigan- buy the best scent masking, scoped out weapons, camouflaged gear and a sort of mini house to hide in relative comfort while the usually tough tasting male deer with an impressive rack gets blown away at up to or over a 1000 feet. I never saw nor do I see the sport in color a completely oblivious animal who had no chance of retaliation. Goddamn male deer don’t even taste good, it’s the females that have any taste at all.

    • In reply to #4 by Liandro:

      Hunting has always thrown me off as any kind of sport, the hunters here in Michigan- buy the best scent masking, scoped out weapons, camouflaged gear and a sort of mini house to hide in relative comfort while the usually tough tasting male deer with an impressive rack gets blown away at up to or ove…

      The thrill of the kill must be somehow buried in our genetic code, or is it? As a young boy I enjoyed hunting just for the kill. I detest killing animals of any kind today. I hate it that we raise animals to slaughter for our eating pleasure, although I still enjoy eating meat. I am surrounded by people who spend lots of money to go out and kill for just the pleasure. Many claim and perhaps it can be backed up by science that it is often good for the environment to thin certain animals out. So, is the thrill of the kill nurture or nature? On topic, I am optimistic that the more we try to clone, the knowledge gained will perhaps be helpful in saving our planet, as well as continuing to develop medical breakthroughs to benefit all of us as well as our fellow animals.

    • In reply to #4 by Liandro:

      Hunting has always thrown me off as any kind of sport, the hunters here in Michigan- buy the best scent masking, scoped out weapons, camouflaged gear and a sort of mini house to hide in relative comfort while the usually tough tasting male deer with an impressive rack gets blown away at up to or ove…

      those hunters pay for your ability to hike in the woods with your $1000 cameras to take those “great” wildlife shots…

      If you don’t like the taste of deer, no one is forcing you to eat it. of course deer aren’t grain fed, packed full of bovine growth hormones, given heavy doses of antibiotics to keep them healthy.

  4. Sue Blue- I, like Liandro, live in Michigan. Two quick sad notes…

    It is now wolf hunting season.

    A woman from here I know through social media had a long post on FaceBook a few says ago on the opening of a hunting season. She was afraid one of her feral father figures might get injured by another hunter. They say it takes all kinds… but I disagree. I think it’s just an unfortunate fact that there all all kinds.

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