Rafael Cruz: Atheism leads to child molestation and perversity

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In an appearance before a gathering of OK2A, an Oklahoma Second Amendment advocacy group, Rafael Cruz, father of freshman Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) said that atheism leads to sexual abuse of children.

In his talk, which took place earlier this month, the elder Cruz railed against atheism and secular humanism, which he said are two of the main ills facing our society.

“Let’s look, for example, at the behavioral consequences of these two foundations,” Cruz said to the group. “Well, if there is nothing, if there is no God, then we are ruled by our instincts.”

“There is no moral absolute, which means we operate by situational ethics,” he said, “which unfortunately is something being taught in every high school in America.”

Written By: David Ferguson
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55 COMMENTS

  1. I’ll have to send Rafael the Black Collar Crime section in my issue of FFRF’s Free Thought Today newspaper. It’s usually two pages chock full of Christian molestation and perversion reports from the two previous months.

  2. From the OP:

    “[According to Situational ethics...] right and wrong depends on the situation. In other words, it’s a moral relativism.”

    Yes, Mr. Cruz. A situation like needing to bribe someone so that you can illegally get an exit permit allowing you to eventually enter into the USA? You would know all about that, wouldn’t you? So much for a religious upbringing!

    • In reply to #6 by Mr DArcy:

      The American prison population, the biggest in the world including China, consists mostly of Christians.

      But don’t let facts get in the way of a hateful rant !

      I’m not keen on this statistic. I’m not disagreeing with the numbers, but I suspect a lot of these prisoners “found god” after they got to prison – and frankly, who can blame them.

      • In reply to #10 by GPWC:

        I’m not keen on this statistic. I’m not disagreeing with the numbers, but I suspect a lot of these prisoners “found god” after they got to prison – and frankly, who can blame them.

        My opinion of this is that they were probably religious before they went to prison, and became more religious when they got there for one of two reasons.

        Either they like the sound of the idea that all their crimes will be forgiven, or they see it as a way of gaining favour with the parole board.

        Whatever the reason, they represent a captive market (literally) for priests to peddle their wares to.

        It isn’t the prison population we should be looking at, it is the re-offending rate once they get out. If they “find god” during their first imprisonment and this causes them to lead good lives afterwards, then the re-offending rate should be close to zero. If however they were already religious, then it is clear that religion does not have a significant deterrent effect towards crime.

        My feeling is that given the strong correlation between higher intelligence/education, and atheism; atheists are less lightly to commit crimes because they know they are likely to be caught. The idea of wasting the one life we do have locked up in prison is a deterrent to atheists which doesn’t apply to the religious.

        Or it could just be atheists are better at not being found out …

        • In reply to #20 by N_Ellis:
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          Either they like the sound of the idea that all their crimes will be forgiven, or they see it as a way of gaining favour with the parole board.

          Can’t disagree with anything you’ve said, in particular, what I’ve quoted above. Nor do I disagree with Crooked Shoes below at #25, but I think we have to be careful in comparing self-defining atheists with self-defining Christians. Self-defining atheists will be, on the whole (I’m generalising, I know), relatively well-off, relatively well brought up, thoughtful etc, whereas many “Christians” will simply not have thought much about religion, nor cared, but, when asked, will say they are Christian for want of another option that fits better.

          Secondly, there is the question of what is the real number of true Christians. We know there are a whole bunch of people who claim they are Christian, but don’t know which is the first book of the new testament (out of a choice of 4) who don’t read the bible and who don’t believe prayer works see the RDF survey. So we want to count them out when it suits us, and I suspect a lot of the people we want to count out are the same type of “Christians” who commit crimes. So I’m not sure we are being particularly consistent about this.

          PS Not that the Christian peddlers have any such scruples about playing up or down their numbers as and when they need to. But we are better than that.

      • GPWC,
        I worked in a prison for 12 years. I NEVER met an atheist inmate. NEVER. While it is true that many folks find the extra time to become very fervent while in prison, there are no (or very very few) atheist to religious converts. Lots and lots of the inmates find Allah. Some of the gangs require it.

        But, if you asked every inmate upon the day of their arrival what religion they practiced, an overwhelming majority would say Christian.

        Of course, the way hateful folks like the screaming asshole in the OP get around this is to simply claim that AT THE MOMENT of the crime, the sinner had abandoned god, LIKE an atheist.

        The one thing that is constant; atheists can’t win and fundies can’t lose.

        In reply to #10 by GPWC:

        In reply to #6 by Mr DArcy:

        The American prison population, the biggest in the world including China, consists mostly of Christians.

        But don’t let facts get in the way of a hateful rant !

        I’m not keen on this statistic. I’m not disagreeing with the numbers, but I suspect a lot of these prisoners…

  3. Once again the Hitler – atheist myth is still being peddled by the ignorant pederast followers of Jesus and his sky-death-god father. Catholic Priesthood is a contributory factor in the large scale international sexual abuse of children – fact!

  4. Unfortunately, Cruz, like most religiots or politicians or pressure group activist, come to that, play to the seemingly natural perception that we all fall victim to – that is the world is a much worse place today than it was yesterday.

    Some things and some places do get worse, but, in my opinion, most things have got better in my life.

  5. Does Mr Cruz follow the absolute morality of the bible? Does he stone adulterers, disobedient children and those who work on Sundays? Does he keep slaves or has he plucked out an eye for looking at a woman lustfully?

    I for one am glad we don’t have absolute morality.

    “There is no moral absolute, which means we operate by situational ethics,” he said, “which unfortunately is something being taught in every high school in America.”

    • In reply to #13 by Net:

      i used to feel sorry for america until we, australians, got tony abbott!!
      I’m glad to see here in Aussie-land that the Anglican Church is starting to feel the heat recently over further allegations from the 1940s-1980s. It’s refreshing, inspiring to see that people are not too scared to stand up to such large institutions. Combine this with all the pressure and media exposure given to the Catholic Church these days it’s almost like a mini-enlightenment.

  6. I would have thought that he’s old enough to have learned that we have to work things out for ourselves; it’s known as free thinking; and what else would God want us to do than think for ourselves.

    He is right in one respect though, we do live by our instincts and intuition, or naturally, unless they’ve been short circuited by the fallacies of that most deadly inducer of mass hysteria organized religion.

  7. Almost makes you feel sorry for Ted Cruz! Ted Cruz, by the way, is a Southern Baptist, so I am guessing Daddy is too. Maybe Rafael Cruz thinks that gets him off the Catholic child-molesting “hook.”

  8. “Well, if there is nothing, if there is no God, then we are ruled by our instincts.”

    Yes. And they do not have to be bad instincts. Here in Europe a majority of people do not believe in god any more.

    People who do not believe in a god are already behaving as if there is no god. They are not all descending into some dystopic cesspit of crime and perversion.

    I’ll take heathen European crime rates over godly American ones any day of the week, thanks. The Netherlands is closing prisons for want of prisons; Portugal’s crime rate has plummeted since they decriminalised possession of drugs in favour of dealing with them as a public health issue. America has one of the highest per capita imprisonment rates in the world.

  9. “Well, if there is nothing, if there is no God, then we are ruled by our instincts.” Quite so, but why does Cruz assume there is anything wrong with our normal, human instincts?

    Here in heathen Europe most people no longer believe in god. It has not turned us into some dystopian cesspit of moral decrepitude.

    America has one of the highest prison populations on earth. I’ll take the crime rates which prevail in most European countries in preference. The Netherlands is closing jails for want of criminals. Portugal’s crime rate has nosedived since they decriminalised drugs and treated the problem as a public health issue. And so on.

    Now let’s ask Cruz an interesting question: what does he prefer, atheism or Islam?

  10. The sheer hypocrisy. I won’t even waste more words with that.

    I will, however, waste words in saying that this man, along with many other people, does not know what “relativism” is. Cultural (or moral) relativism is used in social sciences because judging other societies/cultures by your own is an extremelly ethnocentric thing to do, and will more than often lead you to the wrong conclusions about what you are actually analyzing (I’ve recently seen a mockumentary about this very subject, a quenyan social scientist was “studying” the communities in the austrian alps and interpreting the habits of austrians by his own cultural lens, it was amusing and a good exemple of why it shouldn’t be done). Anyway, realtivism doesn’t mean you can’t defend your own way of doing things. You can. You just have to justify it. Usually that justification is why mister crazy christian (forgive me the redundance) here is wrong, we usually have good reasons to do “moral” acts and good reasons why the acts considered “moral” in other societies wouldn’t work in “ours” (I obviously can’t speak for everyone here). It’s mostly about “efficiency” and fulfilling whatever “goals” that particular civilization has. Of course, that doesn’t mean “our goals” are better than anyone else’s (which is where I think most users of this site will disagree with me), it just means that everyone has the right to defend what they consider most “effective”. Of course, we are right to believe that some practices, like stoning and such, are absurd in “our” context and “they” have the right to defend their madness, but in the end, whatever is most “effective” as a “society” progresses will win. I could say a bit more about this, but I’ve ranted enough. I apologize, but I had wanted to rant about “relativism” for a while now.

  11. “Let’s look, for example, at the behavioral consequences of these two foundations,” Cruz said to the group. “Well, if there is nothing, if there is no God, then we are ruled by our instincts.”

    .. . As an alternative to knee-jerk reactions triggered by their indoctrinated brain’s god-spots!

    “There is no moral absolute, which means we operate by situational ethics,” he said,

    Blimey!! People actually thinking about the consequences of their actions relative to actual situations, and realising the shortcomings of “ONE SIZE FITS ALL” indoctrinated dogmatic absolutes!!
    Who knows ? What next?
    Some may actually research information on the issues – Looking at statistics on moral and criminal behaviour, – instead of just making them up!

    In a viral 2010 blog post for the Wall Street Journal, Ricky Gervais used the data to support his own atheism: -
    75 percent of Americans are God-fearing Christians; 75 percent of prisoners are God-fearing Christians.

    10 percent of Americans are atheists; 0.2 percent of prisoners are atheists.

    If all the Atheists & Agnostics left America, they’d lose 93% of The National Academy of Sciences & less than 1% of the prison population.

  12. Every time I interview a Fundamentalist Christian and bring up slavery and the treatment of woman in the OT, they tell me that we can’t judge those things by our standards now, that society was much different back then and slavery and woman’s rights have to be seen in context of the culture of the time back then. So who’s the moral relativist?

  13. Having read more of the article I discovered that the odious argumentum ad hitlerum was trotted out; a clear indication of a lazy last resort taken in place of due consideration of the facts.

    What am I saying? Facts! Sorry, I must have lost my presence of mind there for a moment.

    I forgot that if you have religion facts are surplus to requirements.

  14. Funny how religious people always make so many assumptions about the world without anything supporting their claims. Losing faith always leads to death, mayhem, destruction, immorality, chaos, etc, but there’s never any data to support it. Even funnier is when they make vague assumptions like “society will crumble”? What does that mean? How will it crumble?

  15. Funny how religious people always make so many assumptions about the world without anything supporting their claims. Losing faith always leads to death, mayhem, destruction, immorality, chaos, etc, but there’s never any data to support it. Even funnier is when they make vague assumptions like “society will crumble”? What does that mean? How will it crumble?

  16. This wouldn’t be demonising – witch hunting – blame shifting – religious tactics to frighten their flocks further almost to a North Korean level of disinformation would it ???… in yet another eye rolling attempt to maintain that its atheists who pose a problem to the world and not religion…..eh ! I would like to take this old guy to court for utterly misrepresenting me and my views in an insulting and defamatory way what a disgusting liar he is………Just another day for innocent atheists !

  17. “Well, if there is nothing, if there is no God, then we are ruled by our instincts.”

    Er… I take it this man DOESN’T like his own instincts, so…. we’re all agreed to keep him away from children, right?? Right. Agreed.

      • In reply to #37 by crookedshoes:

        Kelvins

        In reply to #36 by Sensible:

        Comment #1 *So room-temperature-IQ Cruz is claiming that the catholic church is run by atheists?

        And that ‘room-temperature-IQ’ is in Celcius I assume.

        Definitely not Kelvin, that would be 273 MORE than Celsius

        • Sorry…. I was hurrying and threw it in there…. I should have said “absolute zero!”…

          But, spirit on the stairs and all that…. too little, too late….

          DARN

          In reply to #38 by N_Ellis:

          In reply to #37 by crookedshoes:

          Kelvins

          In reply to #36 by Sensible:

          Comment #1 *So room-temperature-IQ Cruz is claiming that the catholic church is run by atheists?

          And that ‘room-temperature-IQ’ is in Celcius I assume.

          Definitely not Kelvin, that would be 273 MORE than Celsius

  18. Where would elder Cruz get such an idea.

    1. Does he deduce it with some faulty logic — atheists are wicked. Molesting children is wicked, therefore atheists molest children.
    2. Does he reason, if I were an atheist, of course I would rape children. There would be nothing to stop me.
    3. Did he read some crackpot tract?
    4. Did he just make it up as something nasty to express his disdain?
    5. Did he maliciously concoct a lie to malign those debating him (and winning)?
  19. I am sick of being told by theist`s that as an atheist I believe in doing whatever I want,I don,t know any atheist who thinks like that.No matter how many times you say it they can’t get it through their thick heads that we answer to each other and to our own conscience,guilt is worse than any punishment that could be inflicted on us by a mythical deity.

  20. RickM:

    “There is no moral absolute, which means we operate by situational ethics…”

    Let’s see; 200 years ago slavery was okay. Now – not so much.

    500 years ago it was perfectly fine to burn Protestants, indeed the “right” thing to do to save their souls.

    (Bangs head on table)

  21. If that is true of atheism….then the religious would have fared worse than any atheist becos the so called god in your lives have proven to be nothing to you than just a cover for your crimes. From another angle….you are more godless than any godless atheist to have the gall and audacity to do that with god on your side? Welcome to the dark side of spiritual hypocrisy!

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