Anatomy of an ‘honour’ killing: Why a Palestinian community demanded a father murder his divorced daughter

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Thamar Zeidan was murdered by her father when he choked her to death as she took an afternoon nap in their small, conservative West Bank village.

“Honour crimes” are rarely talked about in Palestinian society, but Ms. Zeidan’s mother and sister have gone public to highlight the case and reveal the immense pressure her father came under to commit the crime.

Extended members of the woman’s family accused her of “disgraceful and outrageous acts” in a petition that was widely circulated in her village of Deir Al Ghusun, near the West Bank town of Tulkarem.

The petition demanded Ms. Zeidan’s father, Munther, “reinstate the cultural and religious morals in his family.”

It was posted in five local mosques during Friday prayer and signed by more than 50 relatives, including Abed Al-Rahman Zeidan, a Palestinian lawmaker.

“My husband was under tremendous pressure,” said Ms. Zeidan’s mother, Laila. “The family wanted to banish us from the West Bank and people started rumours that my husband wasn‎‎’t mentally stable.”

Written By: Diana Atallah
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61 COMMENTS

  1. That is simply fucked up. I have a daughter. I can’t imagine any scenario that would cause me to murder her, barring I guess severe mental illness.

    Fill in the blank: ( ……. ) poisons everything.

    Steve

    • In Reply To A Sentence In The Article:

      There have been 27 “honour crimes” in Palestinian areas this year, compared with 13 last year, according to organizations who keep track of such murders.

      And many still wonder why the Israelis put up a wall in order to monitor the comings and goings of these people.

      • In reply to #7 by IDLERACER:

        In Reply To A Sentence In The Article:

        There have been 27 “honour crimes” in Palestinian areas this year, compared with 13 last year, according to organizations who keep track of such murders.

        And many still wonder why the Israelis put up a wall in order to monitor the comings and goings of these…

        Don’t go all smug and “Jews are better” here. I have orthodox Jewish acquaintances and know for a fact that there is plenty of brutalization of women in that community too. And it is crude of you to justify the expulsion of Palestinians from their own land on the basis of a small community of primitive Islamists. The wall serves no protective purpose and “monitoring the comings and goings of these people is just another way to force these people into ever smaller enclaves and ever increasing destitution.

        • In reply to #10 by justinesaracen: Jews are better, period. Muslims have committed 22,107+ deadly terror attacks in the name of Islam since 9/11. Did I says Jews were perfect? No. Do I disagree with Jews all the time? Yes. There are about 100 times more Muslims on the planet than Jews. Seriously, what’s the problem? If the Palestinians are so put upon, why don’t the oil rich Muslims countries help them?

          In reply to #7 by IDLERACER:

          In Reply To A Sentence In The Article:

          There have been 27 “honour crimes” in Palestinian areas this year, compared with 13 last year, according to organizations who keep track of such murders.

          And many still wonder why the Israelis put up a wall in order to monitor th…

          • In reply to #29 by Free Speech:

            If the Palestinians are so put upon, why don’t the oil rich Muslims countries help them?

            A very good question. Why don’t they?

      • In reply to #7 by IDLERACER:

        And many still wonder why the Israelis put up a wall in order to monitor the comings and goings of these people.

        Ah, ‘these people’! So, you applaud yet another criminal policy of the Israeli government in building the wall on Palestinian territory? Besides, ‘these people’ are actually 20% of the population of Israel, so they live on the Israeli side of the wall.

      • In reply to #7 by IDLERACER:

        And many still wonder why the Israelis put up a wall in order to monitor the comings and goings of these people.

        Too bad this comment and answers to it derailed the discussion from the real tragedy. Don’t get me wrong, I am all in favor of the wall because the Israelis put it up to control the comings and goings of other people, not those people. Those people, as distasteful as they are, are for the Palestinian Authority to deal with, and this is the way it should be. Imagine Israel talking care of honor crimes in the PA territories, besides what control it already exercises! I can only imagine the outcry about imperialism, racism…

        So, putting aside the Israeli-Palestinian conflict for a second, it has been said that all Abrahamic religions treat women like this. This may have been so for Jews and Christians 1000 years ago, but it’s just common for Islam in 2013. And Palestine, as opposed to Afghanistan, is one of the most exposed Muslim countries to modern values. Now, there is a lot of violence against women in the Judeo-Christian world as well. It’s usually domestic violence, sometimes murder, but does anyone know in how many cases the perpetrator is the father? There is a subtle difference there, in my opinion, and it’s not the fault of colonial Britain, France or G. W. Bush.

        • In reply to #36 by G_O_D:

          Don’t get me wrong, I am all in favor of the wall because the Israelis put it up to control the comings and goings of other people, not those people.

          The building of the wall on Palestinian Territory is part of the systematic criminality of the Israeli state. It’s, therefore, incongruous to praise this violation of international law when you rightly condemn barbaric tribal custom. Justice cannot be seen selectively.

          • In reply to #40 by aldous:

            In reply to #36 by GOD:

            Don’t get me wrong, I am all in favor of the wall because the Israelis put it up to control the comings and goings of other people, not those people.

            If we agree on three things (God’s non-existence, evolution and dislike of barbaric tribal custom), and not on much else, it does not mean you are consistent and I am not. It’s all up for debate, but my point was that the important and sad subject of this thread has been hijacked.
            The Israeli occupation subject is also important and sad, but it does not belong in this thread. Palestine being occupied or not, has nothing to do with the fate of this woman. And notice that I replied to an over-zealous Israeli supporter that introduced the wall in a discussion that has nothing to do with it.

          • In reply to #42 by GOD:

            You raise the important point of where the issue really lies in this tragedy. Not particularly with religion, I would suggest but rather with the role of public opinion in enforcing moral values. From the standpoint of secular humanism, the issue is one of the conflict between tribal morality and a universal morality. The tribe in question may be, as in this case, a clan or family or, in the wider context, a religion or a nation.

            In discussing the right of women to be treated equally, and not as family assets, haranguing those with a traditional outlook is less important than economic development and education. When women are as economically valuable to society as men, as in the ‘West’, there will be gender equality.

  2. Every now and again someone complains about how much we have lost in the modern world because we no longer know our neighbours or pay much attention to them or our extended families. Give me life in a big city where nobody knows me any day.

      • In reply to #6 by mmurray: I missed the part where he said it was only Islam.

        In reply to #5 by Miserablegit:

        Here is a perfect example of the poison of Islam.

        Not completely perfect as violence against women is not exclusive to Islam. Consider female infanticide, dowry deaths, sati), abandonment of widows for example. There is something deeper at work in some cultures whi…

        • In reply to #27 by Free Speech:

          In reply to #6 by mmurray: I missed the part where he said it was only Islam.

          In reply to #5 by Miserablegit:

          Here is a perfect example of the poison of Islam.

          Not completely perfect as violence against women is not exclusive to Islam. Consider female infanticide, dowry deaths, sati), abandonment…

          I thought that was implied by “perfect example”.

          Michael

    • In reply to #5 by Miserablegit: Thank you for saying “Islam” and not the typical “religion” which plays right into the hands of the Islamic agenda of conflation.

      Here is a perfect example of the poison of Islam.

  3. So, as I understand it : you have to kill your daughter to prove your are mentally stable ?

    I don’t have any murderous tendencies, so I must be completely insane. Luckily no one seems to notice for the moment :-)

  4. What I find most disturbing here is the fact that she was murdered when she was at ease with her family.
    That to me is truly spine chilling.
    Agrajag, I have no son or daughter but I can not find it within me anywhere where I would feel the need to kill anyone for such a trivial offence. The perverted fantasies of peers and strangers must always take second place to justice, the sooner these filthy backwaters understand this the better.

    • In reply to #9 by jjbircham: Who said it was an offence except Muslims? These actions are not offences in the sane world.

      What I find most disturbing here is the fact that she was murdered when she was at ease with her family.
      That to me is truly spine chilling.
      Agrajag, I have no son or daughter but I can not find it within me anywhere where I would feel the need to kill anyone for such a trivial offence. The perverte…

  5. The petition demanded Ms. Zeidan’s father, Munther, “reinstate the cultural and religious morals in his family.”

    ..Or translated from woo-head-retard into English: We must maintain our system for bartering women into servitude.

    It was posted in five local mosques during Friday prayer and signed by more than 50 relatives, including Abed Al-Rahman Zeidan, a Palestinian lawmaker.

    Clearly a flock-programming gathering of sheeple-brains!

  6. To “reinstate the cultural and religious morals of his family” he’s required to commit the cold blooded murder of his own child; yeah, sounds about right!

    Par for this particular course I’d say.

    • In reply to #14 by jel: Muslims are the ones who actually carry it out on a daily basis. Conflation does not make other religions as bad as Islam.

      All the Abrahamic religions have this as a punishment in their holy books. And they try to tell us that we are immoral.

    • In reply to #16 by Simon Tuffen:

      How is it possible that so many Muslims get their “religion of peace”

      Your mockery would be more pertinently directed to the human suffering in Syria than to a murder in Israeli occupied Palestine. And if war exposes adherents of a religion to disdain for not practising what they preach, Christianity is the obvious target.

  7. His wife said; “…people started rumours that my husband wasn’t mentally stable.” The truth is that he WASN’T mentally stable. When will the God delusion under which he and so many other suffer be recognized for the mental illness that it actually is?

  8. Let’s not get smug here. This is a horrible indictment of peer or societal pressure although, of course, it also shows just how awful religion can be. To my mind, pressure of this kind is present everywhere there are humans, certainly in everyday British working life.

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    I remember how shunned four white employees from different western European countries were by their white British colleagues at one company in central London for which I worked several years ago. Although the plight of these people from France, Germany and Spain was nothing like that of poor Thamar Zeidan’s, something similar was going on. Their working lives seemed utterly miserable, certainly judging by the expressions on their faces and the huddle I noticed them forming at lunchtimes in a nearby cafe.

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    The firm provided information about financial services and, I believe, the people in question were employed as translators to convert stories written by the company’s journalists into French, German and Spanish.

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    British employees at this company came under a kind of societal pressure similar to what Thamar Zeidan’s father felt in Palestine, except that in London the society consisted of the majority who worked for the company.

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    These Europeans were made to feel like lepers by all there. They looked unhappy if not miserable. Some people in that company, probably some tribal British managers, and for what I think was a simple dislike of all things European, had decided to treat these translators as if they were less than human. Worse, if you as one of the company’s employees knew what was good for you, you would behave similarly.

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    Just as Thamar Zeidan’s dad acted in that horrible way because he knew his life would be made hell by some other Palestinians if he failed to do his duty, similarly British employees at this company felt impelled to steer clear of their European colleagues, resulting in their clear distress. Same behaviour, different outcome, and no religion involved.

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    Thamar Zeidan lost her life because some members of her society demanded it. Presumably they made that demand because of their religion. My unfortunate European colleagues had a difficult time because the society in which they found themselves – the one made up of those British employees at that company – demanded it.

    • In reply to #21 by atheezilla: When you say “religion” instead of “Islam” you are playing into the hands of the Islamic agenda of conflation.

      Let’s not get smug here. This is a horrible indictment of peer or societal pressure although, of course, it also shows just how awful religion can be. To my mind, pressure of this kind is present everywhere there are humans, certainly in everyday British working life.

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      I remember how shunned four…

      • In reply to #31 by Free Speech:

        In reply to #21 by atheezilla: When you say “religion” instead of “Islam” you are playing into the hands of the Islamic agenda of conflation.

        Let’s not get smug here. This is a horrible indictment of peer or societal pressure although, of course, it also shows just how awful religion can be. To my…

        Maybe I’m being a bit dim here but I’m not entirely sure what you mean.

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        Are you saying that Muslims try to equate themselves to followers of other faiths so as not to appear to be too bonkers? If so, I’d reply that all faithheads do that. If you pin down a Hindu, for example, and tell them how irrational they are they’ll say, “Well every follower of every religion thinks in the same way.” In other words their defence is, “Well, look, everybody’s doing it, so it must be right!”

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        I can’t help thinking that each religion is as nutty as all the rest, certainly when it comes to the contents of its canonical texts. Its probably true that the followers of one religion or another may be batshit crazy (to use a Bill Maher expression) whereas adherents of some other faith are just plain vanilla crazy, but religions in general seem fairly whacko.

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        Remember what Sam Harris says about Jains? To paraphrase: the more fundamental they get, the less likely they are to cause others physical harm. With followers of the Abrahamic religions it’s the opposite. Of course, Sam Harris was talking about how not all beliefs are equally bad in some sense. Nevertheless, whether you are a fundamentalist Jain or a fundamentalist Muslim you’re still freakin’ whacko. I would rather get on a plane with the former but I wouldn’t want to sit next to either.

  9. Thank goodness most Muslims aren’t fanatics… oh, who am I kidding. Kathy? They’re building a 15,000 sq ft mosque in Oakville… right next to the Oakville Crusaders Rugby Club. We may have to turn the clubhouse into a castle.

    • In reply to #23 by aquilacane:

      Thank goodness most Muslims aren’t fanatics… oh, who am I kidding. Kathy? They’re building a 15,000 sq ft mosque in Oakville… right next to the Oakville Crusaders Rugby Club. We may have to turn the clubhouse into a castle.

      Do you mean me? If so, thanks for the namecheck.

      Is a mosque really being built next to a football club called “The Crusaders”?

      That’s funny.

  10. In reply to #1 by Agrajag: Being that this article is about the insanity of Islam, I’ll fill in the blank with “Islam”.

    That is simply fucked up. I have a daughter. I can’t imagine any scenario that would cause me to murder her, barring I guess severe mental illness.

    Fill in the blank: ( ……. ) poisons everything.

    Steve

  11. As I have often said (including elsewhere in this forum), “family honour” is at base about who has shares in the will.

    Ms. Zeidan’s “disgraceful and outrageous acts” probably involved amounted to no more than refusing to stay in lockdown in her house, thus ‘enticing’ other men, who might want to create a new family with her and so deprive existing family members of whatever inheritance they may have been expecting.

    Yes, it is barbaric. However, such barbarity is not particularly ‘islamic’ – it will rear its head wherever real (or realizable) property is inheritable.

  12. It should be mentioned that “honor killings” (what a stupid name since it’s the most dishonorable act I can imagine) are not exclusive to Islam. They are for example committed by Hindus in some Asian countries. Although, the misogyny that Islam promotes probably does nothing to prevent these barbaric traditions. Personally these stories goes to show how vulnerable humans are. Many in the western world think humans by nature are civilized. That is evidently not true. We are constantly living on the edge of savagery. Culture is the only thing that prevents humans from indiscriminately killing each other. We are violent irrational creatures. Let us never be fooled into thinking we are something else.

    • In reply to #39 by Nunbeliever:

      Many in the western world think humans by nature are civilized.

      Humans by nature are tribal. They would kill someone of the out group without a blink of an eye. And people in the west should be more aware of that than any other region, don’t we all know the two most deadliest conflicts on the 20th century?

      Even today we kill people around the world for what we believe in – be it security, religion or national pride. And west leads the world in killing people! If we round up all the collateral deaths, civilian casualties of unjust wars, west would probably lead the league table.

      When asked by a reporter during his visit to London, “What do you think of western civilization?” Gandhi replied, “I think it will be a good idea”

      Even with all the affluence and wealth, west has failed miserably in promoting humanism. Western leaders would scurry around for a photo-op with Gandhi, Mandela or Aang San Suu Kyi while brow beating and war mongering amongst their home crowd.

      West is not more civilized than the rest. And it has never been. West is wealthier than the rest, so they get to hide their under-belly. Environmentalism, human rights, animal rights are as nascent in the west, as it is in the rest of human societies.

      Gas -guzzling Americans and Imperial British and Mafioso Italians can hardly claim the moral high ground, don’t you think?

      • In reply to #41 by soulreaver:

        Environmentalism, human rights, animal rights are as nascent in the west, as it is in the rest of human societies.
        Gas -guzzling Americans and Imperial British and Mafioso Italians can hardly claim the moral high ground, don’t you think?

        No, I don’t think so. You know soulreaver, I’ve noticed that you never miss an opportunity to slam the West for colonialism and to conveniently ignore some inconvenient truths. What the hell does gas guzzling and mafioso’s have to do with a dead Palestinian woman? Do you think American women would trade our legal rights with Palestinian women or Indian women, African women? Of course not. As an American woman who has traveled in Africa, I can say without a doubt that American women have a much better life than African and Middle Eastern women because of our legal rights here. Also, we are not discussing animal rights here but I have also seen the state of animal rights in the third world and I would say that they don’t have any that I can observe.

        Why don’t you read Pinker’s book, The Better Angels of Our Nature for one thing. There is way too much material in that book for me to reproduce here, but pretty much every chapter of it disagrees with all of your statements. Also, if you want to contribute something to this discussion about the state of affairs for women in the third world then why don’t you tell us about your experiences with them that you actually know of first hand? And also of your time spent discussing this situation with women from industrialized western countries. You could present a compare and contrast opinion which would be more interesting than your unsubstantiated cobbled together railing at the West. Granted, I think you are not a female and you can’t speak to this issue from inside our gender, but I would be willing to give you credit for trying.

        You have made a number of claims in your comment that anyone here has a right to call you on for evidence. So either present the evidence for those statements or concede that you were just bloviating.

        • In reply to #43 by LaurieB:

          You know soulreaver, I’ve noticed that you never miss an opportunity to slam the West for colonialism and to conveniently ignore some inconvenient truths.

          And you never miss an opportunity to brow beat on your supremacy. Pot calling the kettle black?

          Why don’t you read Pinker’s book, The Better Angels of Our Nature for one thing

          I have. And I do not think Better Angels serves as a support for your position at all. In fact it clearly portrays that less than a generation ago, the Europeans and their offshoots (a.k.a West) killed each other and the rest of us. And how in recent they have toned it down a bit due to recent advancement in human understanding of race, telecommunication and secular molarity.

          Do you think American women would trade our legal rights with Palestinian women or Indian women, African women?

          This was not about women’s right. I agree the OP is about women’s rights issues. I actually agree with nunbeliever on everything he/she said except for that one part – Many in the western world think humans by nature are civilized My point was, it is true that we have to teach ourselves to be compassionate and we know this not only through the history of rest of the world, but also the west’s track record.

          Again, purely from an Asian perspective (with an Indian bias). If you are poor, definitely not. I cannot imagine the horrors you would endure if you are born poor in Asia or any where else. Your chances of education, right to privacy, right to free speech and pursuit of happiness are bleak! If you are middle class or wealthy, it depends. We can hurl individual cases at each other all day alone and never get to the end of this.

          So here is my suggestion, I am assuming you are American, please do correct me if I am wrong. Take a trip to any science and technology faculty at MIT, Stanford or Berkeley, every time you meet a female student make a note of their ethnicity and if possible, their economic status. If you are British, do the same at Cambridge, Oxford or Edinburgh.

          My prediction is this. Most students would be of middle-class or wealthy background. And there would be a disproportionate percentage of Asian students.

          We all know that to empower any group, they need to have a say in the future. And that can only happen through science and technology. Scientists are the ones who innovate and engineers are the ones who build the world around us. It is imperative that women have the opportunity to innovate and build so as to achieve parity. Would you not agree?

          Again, I wholeheartedly agree that if you are a woman, you would be better off in the west. But purely based on a statistical estimate. And the reason is wealth rather the culture or the civilization. If you give economic support to girls at public schools in India and China so they are at parity with their middle-class or wealthier counterparts, I can bet you that more of Indian and Chinese girls would end up at MIT and Stanford. Could you argue the same for the west?

          Now, if you have a choice, would you rather be born Hispanic or African American in a ghetto in the US (say Detroit) or a middle-class in Asia say Bangalore or Shanghai?

          You could present a compare and contrast opinion which would be more interesting than your unsubstantiated cobbled together railing at the West.

          I suppose I have always done that. If not, I would gladly address any issue you want me to address.

          Also, we are not discussing animal rights here but I have also seen the state of animal rights in the third world and I would say that they don’t have any that I can observe.

          The third world is a big place. If you haven’t noticed, the third world bigger than the God’s own country, the glorious and the unfathomable, the one and only, truly remarkable USA, USA, USA, USA!!!

          Do you really want to argue that the animal rights in the entire US is better than the entire third world? If so, how about traveling a bit more? How about communities that voluntarily choose to be vegetarians? How about centuries of traditions amongst nomadic tribes care for migratory birds and protect them against poachers and hunters?

          How about countries on this planet with more bio diversity than the west? How about over populated third world countries with surviving large land mammals.

          Now to my most controversial statement, if I were a Martian anthropologist, studying the various primates on the pale blue dot, I wouldn’t be able to call any of them more moral or more civilized than the others. Of course, one of those primates claims moral and intellectual superiority and finds the need to cage and torture other species for cheap food despite hoarding great natural resources. And in particular, one group of that primate, feels superior and feels privileged not only to cage and kill other species but to kill for what they believe in. They are all pretty uncivilized. The wealthier ones seem to act a bit more civilized, purely superficially.

          If one were to deprive that group of wealth and power, it would take less than a blink of an eye for that group to rape, plunder and commit genocide against the others. As we witnessed in 1940s. A highly civilized, scientifically advanced and the epicenter of classical music turned into a genocidal war machine.

          Hence, the only difference between the west and the rest is the wealth. Wealth acquired through centuries of genocide, plunder and slave trade.

      • In reply to #41 by soulreaver:

        In reply to #39 by Nunbeliever:

        Many in the western world think humans by nature are civilized.

        Humans by nature are tribal. They would kill someone of the out group without a blink of an eye.

        Yes they are tribal but I don’t believe the evidence supports the second sentence. You have to work quite hard to get them to kill each other up close. From a distance with drones and bombs is easier but not easy. Have a look at how most army training works. A lot of effort is taken to overcame the natural tendency to empathise with those who look like us. With variable results when you look at the amount of psychological trauma returning soldiers come back with.

        West is not more civilized than the rest.

        Don’t make the mistake of thinking that therefore the rest are more civilized than the west. All nations are pretty brutal in defending their “interests”. Here is a colonial atrocity performed by the Indonesian military 15 years ago in West Papua.

        Michael

        • In reply to #46 by mmurray:

          Don’t make the mistake of thinking that therefore the rest are more civilized than the west.

          I am not claiming that at all. Could you please point me towards my statement that can be construed in the way you are portraying it?

          • In reply to #50 by soulreaver:

            In reply to #46 by mmurray:

            Don’t make the mistake of thinking that therefore the rest are more civilized than the west.

            I am not claiming that at all. Could you please point me towards my statement that can be construed in the way you are portraying it?

            Neither did I say you were. Just pointing out why it would be a mistake to do it. But I’m not the only one to see that attacks upon “the West” are a regular part of your postings.

            It seems however we are off-topic so I’ll stop.

            Michael

  13. In reply to #29 by Free Speech:

    In reply to #10 by justinesaracen:

    Jews are better, period.

    Oh, well that’s that then. The international Jewish community will be pleased. Are Jews also better than Christians, or is it the reverse? Are Hindus superior to Buddhists? Are atheists better than the lot. Perhaps you’ll favor us with the sliding scale of moral turpitude you have at your disposal.

    Perhaps you mean that Muslims en bloc are worse than Jews; acknowledging that on an individual basis, most Muslims are good people, but the worldwide Islamic community presents a greater threat than the Jewish one. Leaving aside that Israel is the only country in that part of the world with a nuclear arsenal, this might be right. But you go on to say:

    There are about 100 times more Muslims on the planet than Jews.

    100 times more car key-carrying apes means 100 times the potential for mischief. Is it the sheer number of Muslims which poses the problem? Are you more kindly disposed toward Jews because there are so few of them? Islam, like Christianity, did begin as something of a tribute act to Judaism, and shares a lot of its tenets, including the proscription against eating pork, the Ten Commandments and so on. The Jewish faith doesn’t proselytize, which explains its low numbers, but Christianity certainly does…

    Do the see the confusion you engender when you make blanket statements like “Jews are better, period”?

    Muslims have committed 22,107+ deadly terror attacks in the name of Islam since 9/11.

    I would ask where you came by this dubious statistic, but I think I can probably guess.

    Below is an excerpt from a Loonwatch article, TheReligionOfPeace.com: Working to Streamline the American Empire’s “War on Terror”, about this very thing:

    If you visit JihadWatch, AtlasShrugs or any of the too numerous to count anti-Muslim hate sites and blogs, you are likely to find on the sidebar a hyperlinked image claiming that “Islamic Terrorists have carried out more than ___ Deadly Terror Attacks Since 9/11.” The image was created by the anti-Islam hate site, The Religion of Peace (TROP), associated with Islamophobe Daniel Greenfield, aka “SultanKnish,” who you will recall earns a pretty penny from the David Horowitz Freedom Center.

    RDFRS
    (as of December 22, 2013)

    The clear visual intent of this “Islamic terrorism ticker” is to provoke an emotive fear and anxiety of a global, monolithic, totalitarian Islam (read: Muslims), that is waging terror everywhere through thousands upon thousands of unmitigated and random attacks. On TROP the “terror ticker” serves as ammunition for the site’s stated missionary proposition of portraying “Islam” as “the world’s worst religion.” It also aids in the attempt to tie terrorism to Islam.
    Even a cursory glance at TROP’s list of so-called “Islamic terrorist attacks” reveals it to be nothing more than a deeply biased, propagandistic spin-job that conflates: real terrorist attacks, (semi)religious/culturally motivated crimes, attacks on military personnel and attacks by secular groups with no ideological basis in Islam — all in theaters of occupation, civil war and separatist conflict.
    Sheila Musaji comments on this aspect of TROP’s list, writing,

    This site lists acts committed around the world – some in wars, some having nothing to do with Islam, but to do with nationalist or political struggles, some in civil wars. No links are given. No sources for any of this just a list of supposed attacks carried out by “Islamic terrorists”.

    Musaji’s complaint about their lack of links or citations to attacks holds true, however, one can generally glean where they grab their information. Some of it is likely from verifiable news sources while other sources are Right-Wing Christian/Zionist sites and news aggregators such as World Net Daily, BosNewsLife and Arutz Sheva…

    Continues at source.

  14. “My father doesn’t understand that he will go straight to hell now,” said Suad Zeidan.”

    As we know, there is no hell to go to, but the suffering in that father’s mind will be as bad as any hell could ever be.

    A pox on his religion and those that put so much turmoil in his mind that he was driven to commit a crime that I cannot bear to think of. Murdering your own child. There is surely not a worse act.

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    • I would like to make a point. Namely that three years ago, there was a report called ‘Worldwide Trends in Honor Killing’, by a distinguished professor at a college of New York University, namely Phyllis Chesler. And that report may be read here

      Well worth reading it is too. here is a taster:-

      How can this problem be addressed? Immigration, law enforcement, and religious authorities must all be included in education, prevention, and prosecution efforts in the matter of honor killings.

      In addition, shelters for battered Muslim girls and women should be established and multilingual staff appropriately trained in the facts about honor killings. For example, young Muslim girls are frequently lured back home by their mothers. When a shelter resident receives such a phone call, the staff must immediately go on high alert. The equivalent of a federal witness protection program for the intended targets of honor killings should be created; England has already established such a program.[12] Extended safe surrogate family networks must be created to replace existing family networks; the intended victims themselves, with enormous assistance, may become each other’s “sisters.”

  16. Did I read this correctly that the woman was age 32 ???…Her parents have no business trying to discipline or punish her…She’s an adult how can you take away her phone etc ? let alone murder her….When should parents butt out of someone’s life ? How is this an honour killing ? how can her father possibly maintain his own honour after killing his daughter ??…that’s just insane and that kind of sexist and criminal thinking causes the cycle of violence and control over women to remain unbroken….Sad

    • In reply to #58 by Light Wave:

      Did I read this correctly that the woman was age 32 ???…Her parents have no business trying to discipline or punish her…She’s an adult how can you take away her phone etc ? let alone murder her….When should parents butt out of someone’s life ? How is this an honour killing ? how can her father…

      The emancipation of women is very recent and the degree to which it has been achieved varies throughout the world. This ‘conservative Palestinian village’ is maintaining traditional values which are alive in many parts of the world to a greater or lesser extent.

  17. In reply to #60 by aldous:

    In reply to #58 by Light Wave:

    Did I read this correctly that the woman was age 32 ???…Her parents have no business trying to discipline or punish her…She’s an adult how can you take away her phone etc ? let alone murder her….When should parents butt out of someone’s life ? How is this an hon…

    The emancipation of women is very recent and the degree to which it has been achieved varies throughout the world. This ‘conservative Palestinian village’ is maintaining traditional values which are alive in many parts of the world to a greater or lesser extent.

    This is true. But. We in the emancipated west could do more to help the women in Islamic countries (mainly), and wherever women are treated as chattel slaves; where there is infanticide; the horror of bride-burning; female genital mutilation and denial of education for girls. There are plenty of activists and campaigners against these evils in the countries concerned. More political help and support for them could do a lot for such deprived girls and women, but little is forthcoming. Instead all we hear is how much more wicked is the west and what right do we have to interfere in traditional cultures that we don’t understand, and other such cultural equivalent nonsense.

    We should not be afraid to say that western civilization is better than certain barbaric practices where appropriate.

    • Well said:)In reply to #61 by inquisador:

      In reply to #60 by aldous:

      In reply to #58 by Light Wave:

      Did I read this correctly that the woman was age 32 ???…Her parents have no business trying to discipline or punish her…She’s an adult how can you take away her phone etc ? let alone murder her….When should parents butt out of someon…

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