Catholic Church Has Been ‘Outmarketed’ On Gay Marriage, Says New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan

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New York's Cardinal Timothy Dolan says the Roman Catholic Church has been "outmarketed" on the issue of gay marriage and has been "caricatured as being anti-gay."

Dolan's conversation with "Meet the Press" moderator David Gregory will air Sunday on NBC.

Asked why the church is losing the argument on gay marriage, Dolan says it's a tough battle when forces like Hollywood, politicians and "some opinion-molders" are on the other side.

But he said the gay marriage debate is not over and the church will not give up on it.

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24 COMMENTS

    • In reply to #1 by soulreaver:

      I think he meant to say, Catholic Church has always been “outdated” on gay marriage!

      You could just as well have stopped with the Catholic Church has always been “outdated”!

      Jos Gibbons – @2 – This guy refutes himself.

      RCC pundits never see a problem with self contradiction or double-talk!
      It’s what comes from being part of that small minded, rather limited, exclusive, Vatican-centred, “universal” organisation!

  1. This guy refutes himself.

    the Roman Catholic Church has been “outmarketed” on the issue of gay marriage and has been “caricatured as being anti-gay”

    If the RCC weren’t anti-gay the pro-gay side wouldn’t have outmarketed or failed to outmarket them, but rather would be on their side.

    Hollywood, politicians and “some opinion-molders” are on the other side

    So the RCC is anti-gay, then.

    Dolan said the Catholic Church has long championed comprehensive health care. But he indicated that U.S. Catholic bishops cannot support the Affordable Care Act as long as it includes coverage for abortion.

    By definition, if the healthcare you advocate lacks abortion coverage, it’s not comprehensive.

  2. “To whom shall we go?” That is the latin phrase on the plaque behind this fool. It, evidently is his “motto”. Well, “most respected father”, to whom shall THEY go? i thought your ministry was to serve others? Which others?

    The phrase is cherry picked from John 6:68 and could not be more appropriate in describing HIS view. As long as you are “WE’, you are safe….. Everybody else can eat shit.

  3. His Eminence could also have mentioned the unhelpful statements the previous pope (now emeritus) made on the topic of gays in general and gay marriage in particular. Calling a sexual orientation found naturally in a not insignificant percentage of any human population “intrinsically evil” is not conducive to sympathetic consideration and dialogue. It is not so much a matter of the Church being outmarketed as of the Church putting itself out of the market! “Ad quem ibimus[?]” (To whom shall we go?) says the plaque in the photo, poignant words in their original context in the Gospel according to John, and here an ironical reminder of the question countless homosexuals were faced with for centuries on account of the Church’s heartless doctrinal pigheadedness.

  4. Yeah, see, we’re not anti-gay. We just think gay people are sick and evil. Perverted. And, oh yeah, evil.

    We need to put together a better ad campaign to get our point across…cause they’re not getting it. They see themselves as normal. WTF? Where did we go wrong?

  5. Sorry.

    Can’t find outmarketed in the dictionary and Firefox thinks it’s an error.

    Perhaps it’s badly translated Latin.

    Can’t believe it’s a new word. New to the catlicks is 100 years old to the rest of us.

  6. By using the word “Outmarketed,” he has inadvertently admitted that like any other religious institution, the Catholic church is essentially nothing but a commodity in competition with other businesses. Perhaps he should be pondering why his supposedly all-powerful God is proving to be insufficiently competitive on this issue.

  7. He looks kind of pissed off. A battle is always tough when there is an opposition. When the opposition had to walk without leaving even footprints for fear of reprisals from the church there was no real battle at all. It is sooooo good to see the xtian churches so far on the back foot they are at risk of falling on their arses.

  8. The RCC is caricatured as out of touch on gay marriage because that is what it is. It also does itself no favours when prominent Catholics are outspoken in criticising homosexuality in language that can only be described as encouraging violence because that is what some would like.

  9. Cardinal Timothy Dolan is perplexed, pondering how to avoid tripping over his fixated dogmas and running the risk of dislodging his hat, wrinkling his dress, or losing even more mind-slavery tithes…. Mac.

  10. But he said the gay marriage debate is not over and the church will not give up on it.

    Of course they won’t.Slow learners,that’s what they are.Very slow learners.He aint wearing a dunce cap for nothing.

  11. When they hand over their records into their own organisations covering up of the rape of children and harbouring of the guilty, then they can have the losing argument on whether or not homosexuals should be allowed to marry. Their moral relevance has been squandered by putting your reputation over the most vulnerable members of your community. How dare they think they have the right to tell anyone what they should be able to do. And then to have the hide to suggest that they can not support a health care act and stand by and let children die because they can not say get treatment for their cancer (because their parents are poor) because the act also allows for contraception and abortion. This organisation is simply evil, I cannot believe thinking Catholics can live with themselves.

    As an afterthought. I wonder why a reverse Pascals wager is never imagined. If there was a God and he really wanted to test people, they way to do it would be to ensure a bogus cruel book full of lies and contradictions was made, that the religions that gained dominance would seek wealth and power at the expense of largely of women and children, enslaving and committing acts of genocide. The test would then be if you believe in me you go straight to hell.

    • In reply to #18 by Reckless Monkey:

      As an afterthought. I wonder why a reverse Pascals wager is never imagined. If there was a God and he really wanted to test people, they way to do it would be to ensure a bogus cruel book full of lies and contradictions was made, that the religions that gained dominance would seek wealth and power at the expense of largely of women and children, enslaving and committing acts of genocide. The test would then be if you believe in me you go straight to hell.

      I have always wondered this but have never actually seen it discussed before.
      Although perhaps from a slightly different angle.

      Satan is portrayed as the king of deception, whose only apparent goal is to lure people away from God. Surely his greatest success would be in convincing millions of people to follow a bogus, corrupt religion that encourages hatred and bigotry?

      The Catholic Church of course can only be interpreted in two ways, either a great success of the Devil, or an utter failure by God.

      • In reply to #19 by Seraphor:

        In reply to #18 by Reckless Monkey:

        As an afterthought. I wonder why a reverse Pascals wager is never imagined. If there was a God and he really wanted to test people, they way to do it would be to ensure a bogus cruel book full of lies and contradictions was made, that the religions that gained do…

        This is my thinking on the subject as well. In the extremely unlikely event that the Christians had it right all along and on my death I was called to give an account of my lack of faith, I would imagine that this god character was actually pretty smart, not supid at all. He would have the nous to see that I did the best I could with the available information, and led a decent life. I helped people when possible and tried very hard not to harm anyone in my day to day existence. If such an event were to take place, I’m quietly confident that I’d pass the test. :-)

  12. the Roman Catholic Church has been “outmarketed” on the issue of gay marriage and has been “caricatured as being anti-gay.”

    When your beliefs are anti-gay and your policies are anti-gay and your actions are anti-gay, it’s not a caricature of anti-gay it is an accurate reflection.

  13. Cardinal Timothy Dolan says the Roman Catholic Church has been “outmarketed” on the issue of gay marriage

    I guess that’s what happens when your opponents have a demonstrably reasonable position, and all you have is outdated bigotry

    … and has been “caricatured as being anti-gay.”

    No, you’ve been criticised for being anti-gay

    “But he said the gay marriage debate is not over and the church will not give up on it.”

    Well we can’t stop you from flogging a dead horse, you just have to decide how much more damage you wish to do to your reputation. Its one thing for others to “caricature you as being anti-gay” (as you put it), but when you do it to yourself, you have no one else to blame

  14. In reply to #3 by crookedshoes:

    Look really hard at this guy.

    Oh, must I? Talk about spoiling one’s first coffee of the day. But, since you made me, I see the same deeply unintelligent, physically gross, internally seething ugliness that I see in pretty much all religious despots, from Westboro through Fox News to El Queda. These are people whose lives are governed by fear, more than anything else, and it shows through the silly hats, and the AK47′s.

    The headline I am waiting for is POPE ELOPES.

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