10 Cliches Christians should stop saying

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Atheists often list the fallacies, poor arguments and cliches they are tired of hearing from theists.  It can be frustrating to hear them over and over again, especially after such a list has been made clear.  However, we recently came accross this post from Christian minister Mark Sandlin who, while coming come a theistic point of view, nonetheless agrees that there are things that believers need to quit saying and for reasons atheists should find refreshingly similar.  

 

Mark makes an important observation about those that use such cliches in his post that should be seriously considered.   "I think people who say these things are mostly trying to be kind, grateful and even humble when they say some of them. But if we really do want to be kind, grateful and humble we need to think about these sayings a little more – and then stop saying them."

 

So, in an effort to work together with allies to further foster a more reasonable society, Mark has agreed to let us post his article here.  However, we decided to go one step further.  We want to expand the list, to make it more comprehensive. Both Mark and RDF think that the best list suggestions would come from atheists because they are so often on the recieving end of the cliche remarks.  So please, leave your list suggestion in the comments below.

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10) Everything happens for a reason.
Implied in this is a very specific understanding of how God interacts with the world. Specifically, it says God directs all things. So, mass murders? God had a reason for that senseless act of violence. Stubbing your toe on the door frame? I guess God wanted to smite your toe. 

This way of seeing God turns us all into puppets. God's little play things who really have no freewill. Do you truly think a god needs toys? If so, do you really think we're the best toys God could make to play with?

 
 
9) God needed another angel.
God loves you. God loves your loved ones. God is coming for your loved ones. 

You think it hurt when God smote your toe? Just wait 'til God rips out your heart. But it's OK. They needed another angel in heaven. 

See? All better! 

Really? No, of course not. Now that you understand what you are saying, can we just stop it?

 
8) God never gives us more than we can handle.
Ever tried saying this to a person contemplating suicide? No? Well, of course not. 

Why? Because it is just wrong. 

It's wrong for the reason that #10 is wrong and it's wrong because factual circumstances of living prove that sometimes this life does bring with it more than we can handle.

 
7) But for the grace of God, there go I.
Think about that for just a minute. 

How about walking in the shoes you're grateful not to be in for just a minute? Are they where they are because they lack the grace of God that others receive? 

Does God pick and choose whom grace lands upon, intentionally withholding it from some people? 

I know that people who say this don't mean it that way, but that is what they are saying – even if indirectly. Feel free to be thankful for where you are but let's stop heaping coals on other people's shoulders – even if unintentionally.

 
6) I must be living right.
Have you ever been riding in a car when the driver pulls into a parking space right in front of the store and proclaims, “I must be living right!”? 

Sure, they are half joking but keep in mind it's only half joking. Statements like this have their roots in that nasty  “everything happens for a reason” thinking. 

These are the same folks who ask God to help them win sporting events. I hate to burst the bubble but God doesn't care which team wins or how close to the store entrance you get to park your car. 

Plus, go back to #7. When you say things like this, what are you saying about the folks who had to park in that very last spot next to the shopping cart return where the car doors get all dinged up? and for that matter, if you are “living right,” why didn't you take that spot and leave the one up front for someone else?

5) Love the sinner, hate the sin.
The problem I have with this one is the comma. It should be a period.

After further thought, I have a problem with the comma, everything that comes after it and “the sinner.” 

Who am I (and who are you) to be deciding for someone else what is getting between them and God? I'm all for doing it in regard to our own lives but in someone else's life? Hands off. Who do we think we are? God? 

Now that I think about it, the problem I have with this one is that there's not a period after love. 

Love. Period.

4) It's okay to judge.
Recently, there has been a rash of Christian bloggers defending their right to judge. I guess it's a thing. All the cool bloggers are doing it. 

I love being cool. And apparently it's cool to judge others. So, let me judge them for trying to justify judging others. Don't worry though – I'm loving the sinner, hating the sin when I do it. So, it's OK. Right? 

Oh, give me just a minute though. It turns out I've got a log in my eye. I'll need to take care of that first.

3) Because the Bible tells me so (or “it’s in the Bible”).
The King James Bible tells me there are unicorns – 9 times. 

I'm sorry, I got distracted. What was it you were telling me about using the Bible to prove a fact?

2) Have you heard about Jesus?
Seriously?

1) There are no atheists in a foxhole.
Really? There are atheists in church and you honestly think there are no atheists in foxholes? 

Look, I get that the point is supposed to be that when faced with death we all turn to God. However, not only is that simply not true for everyone when faced with death, it is really bad logic. 

Let me demonstrate. 

When faced with death in a foxhole – grenade flying overhead and limbs being blown off the person next to me – am likely to soil my britches. It does not follow that I should always soil my britches. 

In foxholes there are a whole bunch of people trying to stay alive and they pretty much don't care what the other person believes about God. They just want to stay alive… and possibly a clean pair of britches. 

 
 
 

Mark is an ordained minister in the Presbyterian Church (USA). He is the founder of The God Article. He is a blogger for The Huffington Post and Sojourners, and winner of the “award of Excellence” from the Associated Church Press. Mark is a co-founder of The Christian Left and super-PAC “Christians for a Change.” He's married to an amazing Baptist minister and has two fabulous kids. More than anything (other than peace and justice), Mark wants to have a beverage in one hand and a book in the other as he and his wife look across the shores of Ocracoke, NC. He is a certified geek.  You can follow him on Twitter @marksandlin.

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153 COMMENTS

  1. How does 4 work in the context of a critical piece of writing?

    I’m judging this piece of writing as, light-weight fluff. There is undoubtedly many more than 10 cliches christians should stop saying but this isn’t 10 of them.

    • In reply to #1 by alaskansee:

      How does 4 work in the context of a critical piece of writing?

      I’m judging this piece of writing as, light-weight fluff. There is undoubtedly many more than 10 cliches christians should stop saying but this isn’t 10 of them.

      So what are 10 of them, or even 1 of them, in your estimation? Also, purely out of curiosity, why the comma in your second sentence?

      Norman

      • In reply to #3 by r.norman.hill:

        So what are 10 of them, or even 1 of them, in your estimation? Also, purely out of curiosity, why the comma in your second sentence?

        Look Fritz @ comment #8 managed 4 that are much better, in the time it took me to reply, without a lifetime of thinking about it like the minister!

  2. Great advice for everyone atheist and Christian alike. There are a couple of sayings here I have used in the past and will no longer be doing so. A saying that comes to mind here is “Live and Let Live”. Wish more of my fellow Christians believed that way too. Had one of the best conversations I have had about faith in a long time with my son who is an atheist. All I ever cared was that he be happy and a decent human being and he sure is and makes me proud. He was surprised that I agreed with much of what he said. :)

  3. I cringe whenever I hear “everything happens for a reason”… No time more than when an advanced statistics teacher said it. I was like “then your whole subject is bullshit.” He didn’t talk for a long while.

    • In reply to #4 by crookedshoes:

      I cringe whenever I hear “everything happens for a reason”… No time more than when an advanced statistics teacher said it. I was like “then your whole subject is bullshit.” He didn’t talk for a long while.

      In the strictest sense of the word, everything does happen for one or more reasons, there’s just no cosmic imperative guiding everything. Stuff happens because of existing conditions, some of it random, some of it not. The various elements of the universe react to the changes in the environment generating more changes/reactions and so on and so on. One great big long chain of causality going nowhere in particular, branching off to no apparent end and looping back on itself where appropriate (physics-wise anyway). The one thing you will certainly never find is some omni-whatever entity steering things.

      Put crudely, shit happens because of all the other shit going on around it or that happened before and all you can do is deal with all the shit coming your way as best you can. Looking for purpose beyond the ones that sentient life creates for itself is just a pointless waste of time. Rather like hunting for the bunyip.

  4. I somehow have missed #4 and I think what we mean by “to judge” needs to be more clearly defined before going too far in any discussion of it.

    The one which caught my eye when I first read this post by Mark is #7, the one about “there but for the grace… go I.” I understand the theological issues which Mark hints at which seem to mostly stem from equating good fortune with the will of some deity, however if one substitutes “but for good luck” into the phrase, I think it is a valuable perspective to have.

    • In reply to #5 by r.norman.hill:

      I somehow have missed #4 and I think what we mean by “to judge” needs to be more clearly defined before going too far in any discussion of it.

      We’ve only got what he said to go on, this is what he wanted to say, I’ve made my judgement. Asking anyone to wait to discuss would be a disservice to the author.
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      The one which caught my eye when I first read this post by Mark is #7, the one about “there but for the grace… go I.” I understand the theological issues which Mark hints at which seem to mostly stem from equating good fortune with the will of some deity, however if one substitutes “but for good luck” into the phrase, I think it is a valuable perspective to have.

      I agree entirely, that’s another statement that is not on my list of stupid things anyone should stop saying. I have used it in the “human nature” sense, we’re all human and it could have as easily happened to me, if it weren’t for some very small differences in choices and as you say luck.

  5. ‘It’s all part of God’s plan’ – though I guess this could be stuffed into #10 as well. I lost my mother at age 12 (cancer). Ditto my sister in her late 30′s (the same). That’s some F’d up plan you’ve got there old boy. How about curing cancer instead of afflicting? Of course I’m being rhetorical as it’s all just trumped up BS.

  6. A young and extremely bright acquaintance of mine who went to the same school as our twin girls, on being told that they had gained places at Trinity Cambridge and Imperial London said “God favours the few.”

    I didn’t comment because I was aware of the milieu of religiosity in which he had been brought up, but to contrast such a crass statement with his manifest intelligence, is I think, somewhat revealing.

    He is also, for one so young, extremely reactionary, but I can plainly see why, and don’t therefore blame him for it; in my book, he just struck unlucky in his choice of parents.

    Anyway, it is at least nice to see that a person of religion is encouraging his followers to think for themselves.

    • In reply to #7 by Stafford Gordon:

      A young and extremely bright acquaintance of mine who went to the same school as our twin girls, on being told that they had gained places at Trinity Cambridge and Imperial London said “God favours the few.”

      That’s not lack of education, that’s Calvinism. I’m not sure we should stop Calvinists expressing their (admittedly rather depressing) point of view, but if a person really believes in Salvation for the Few, it doesn’t make it a stupid thing to say, just rather unpopular.

      • Dear Member of the Few,

        Congratulations on your daughters getting a place at Trinity Cambridge and Imperial London. My two daughters got a place at Wadham Oxford (Classics) and Imperial London (Physics). I just wanted to say “Snap!” but that doesn’t quite work and it would be off topic. Still …

    • As Bill Maher says “Saying Athiesm is a religion is like saying Abstinence is a sex position” In reply to #8 by Fritz:

      “Atheism is a religion”

      “Atheists believe in (nothing/anything)”

      “Atheism has no moral compass”

      “I/we will pray for you”

      • In reply to #123 by Haymaker:

        As Bill Maher says, “Saying Athiesm is a religion is like saying Abstinence is a sex position.”

        That’s pretty much the same as Penn Jillette’s statement, “Calling Atheism a religion is like calling not stamp collecting a hobby.”

    • In reply to #10 by Bob Springsteen:

      There is nothing worse than a conceited git who claims to be ‘BORN AGAIN’. Then you discover he is still racist, homophobic, and hostile to the poor.

      My oldest friend of almost 50 years become “born again” some years ago. He even became a Pentacostal minister, and yes, you’re spot on. He is still judgmental, racist, homophobic, hates the unemployed, believes in gun ownership and is a misogynist to boot.

      Absolutely nothing like I thought a Christian would be, then I read much of the bible and discovered where it all came from.

  7. In reply to #3 by r.norman.hill:

    So what are 10 of them, or even 1 of them, In your estimation? Also, purely out of curiosity, why the comma in your second sentence?

    Norman

    Easy answer first. The coma was supposed to signify a pause – “I’m judging this piece of writing as,” (long pause for dramatic effect) followed by my judgement – which was the point – there is nothing wrong with judging. Having said that I’m no grammar expert so I’d be happy to be corrected on any coma placement. They didn’t teach grammar or verb/adjective/pronoun type rules when I was in school and I’m also naturally crap at it too, to compound the problem!

    I don’t have a list of ten but this judgmental list was posted and I felt it was very weak and imploded into itself with #4. Do I need a list or can I just express my dissatisfaction with the one we have been given to comment on. It’s such a shit list I think almost anyone could do better but the article is from a minister so there is some conflict there and a lack of critical thinking too. Let’s face it if you think the bible is a place to find wisdom and christians have a monopoly you just haven’t read it.

    To use #4 as an example he seems to be implying there is something wrong with a current phase of “cool bloggers” (judgement) defending their right to judge. Of course they have this right as he does and is exercising, it’s only the bible that foolishly suggests no one can cast the first stone without being “sin” free. What a big pile of crap and to prove it we have this judgmentally stupid article.

    I’m unsure how someone can judge someone for judging without some severe cognitive dissidence. This list reminds me of the ten commandments, how is it possible for someone to read them and not understand their utter worthlessness, not only by omission but by the incoherent trivia that they are.

    2 Have you heard about Jesus?

    Seriously

    Yes, seriously have you heard of Jesus because when he was here he came to such a tiny backwater than almost everyone had NOT heard of him. When he asked his followers to abandon their families it was because the end times were coming and at that time – assuming “the end times” are important – NO ONE HAD HEARD OF HIM. Only a christian brought up in some hellish indoctrinated isolation could be so naive!

    Many of the other items show a worryingly christian lack of understanding of reality. He’s happy for his atheist son – that he knows is going to hell. Good for you, (pause) you tosser.

  8. First thought: “…on the recieving end…”

    I before E except after C and in words like neighbor and weigh.” (No judgement intended!)

    Second thought: Mark Sandlin… future Clergy Project applicant. ;-)

    Steve

      • In reply to #58 by mmurray:

        In reply to #14 by Agrajag:

        First thought: “…on the recieving end…”

        “I before E except after C and in words like neighbor and weigh.” (No judgement intended!)

        Science

        Michael

        Wikipedia has an article on the many variants of this rule. Fowler’s version of it – Henry Watson Fowler’s original 1926 edition called the rule “very useful”, restricting it to words with the “long e” sound, stating further that “words in which that sound is not invariable, as either, neither, inveigle, do not come under it”, and calling seize “an important exception” (the Wikipedia article) – is the version I remember learning at school, but there are other versions in the fairly long history of the rule.

      • In reply to #58 by mmurray:

        In reply to #14 by Agrajag:

        First thought: “…on the recieving end…”

        “I before E except after C and in words like neighbor and weigh.” (No judgement intended!)

        Science

        Michael

        LOL…. it’s not in the traditional rhyme-rule, but I’ll always add it in the future. Thanks!

        Steve

        EDIT: OK, I see I’ve irritated the Mods. Sorry. I’ve re-set my pedant threshhold. ;-)

  9. Here are a couple more that rub me the wrong way

    *”The Holy Spirit interprets for me.” Implying that one guided by the “Holy Spirit” has a special ability to read the Bible. So why, then do all Holy Spirit filled people not interpret the same way?

    *”God made it look that way” (look much older than 6000 years) After discussions about the overwhelming evidence of how old the universe is.

    • “Faith is being sure of what you hope for, and certain of what you do not see” What does that fluff really mean? It does not sound like very safe advise to me.
    • In reply to #23 by Stephen of Wimbledon:

      I’m a lapsed …

      Get some balls and DECIDE!!

      Peace.

      Why? Because you say so? Why have people got to decide? Do scientists ‘decide’? Or do they wait for more evidence? Now me, I’ve decided some things (I don’t believe God exists), but other things I’m not so sure about. As an ex-fundamentalist Christian, for whom ‘deciding’ without any evidence whatsoever was the in thing, I now decide not to decide if I don’t want to. The fence is a perfectly adequate place to sit.

  10. I will add some ones that it had been said to me:

    • God will touch you at some point of your live and we will see then.
    • Aha! you say you believe in evolution, who do you think started it?.
    • I don’t care about the facts of the bible, but do you know who Jesus was?, I invite you to meet him, not the miracles and the other stuff you don’t believe he did, but know him and his ideas.
    • If you don’t believe in god, why are we here and what’s the purpose of our life? If there is no reason, why should we continue living?
    • You won’t yell “Darwin save me!” when you face dead, you will turn to god.
  11. Asking for evidence means you just don’t understand -open your mind to the possible.

    Sorry, of course, you understand something which is beyond me, that’s so obvious to me now even though you still struggle to give me a basic description of ….

    Wait, what was that again?

    Peace.

  12. Cliches Christians shouldn’t say ?

    I have this personal relationship with Jesus. He really cares for me.

    Whilst another 22,000 children died in the world that day through poverty related problems. Quite apart from all the other suffering death and anguish that reaches the headlines. Yeah Jesus really cares about us !

  13. To be honest I’m finding this game way too easy.

    The problem, it seems to me, is that Christians almost define themselves by cliche – there are no original thoughts, no interesting thought experiments, no special insights, nothing of substance, no inspiration …

    I give up.

    Peace.

  14. “Look, I get that the point is supposed to be that when faced with death we all turn to God. “

    No, you don’t. You don’t get the point at all. You only get the point about your god…because your indoctrination into your religion excludes any other faiths or, more importantly, non-faiths. Your god condones slavery. Your god condones genocide. And rape. And hatred of others. He commands his followers to commit crimes of a scope and scale that would embarrass the most ambitious psychopath. You can keep your god; he’s all yours.

  15. Whenever I see a drunk lying in the gutter, and covered in his own vomit, I don’t think, “There but for the grace of God go I.” I think, “There but for the grace of Martin Sheen goes Charlie Sheen.”

    Another one you can add to this list is, “I was sad because I had no shoes until I saw a man with no feet.” For the record, if I were “sad because I had no shoes,” seeing a man with no feet would make me even more sad. When you really think about it, that’s like saying “Thank God he’s the one with no feet and not me.”

    1. It’s not a religion, it’s a relationship with Jesus.

    What an insult to my intelligence. They have a church, a holy book, dogma/doctrine, theology, and rituals, yet they claim it’s not a religion.

    1. The Bible is proof God exist.

    The Harry Potter books are proof that Harry Potter exist.

  16. Or my favorite ones here:
    1. How do you know(evolution, fossils, anything in the past), were you there?

    1. So you can just murder, rape, and steal and nothing can stop you?

    2. He/she’s in a better place now.

    3. God works in mysterious ways.

    4. There is tons of evidence supporting the bible.

    5. Humans aren’t animals, we’re people.

    6. My faith is important to me.

    7. We need everyone to come together and pray for (fill in the blank). -does multiple prayers help?

    8. I believe because god has spoken to me/I’ve seen god/I’ve felt god/experienced god.

    9. I believe in god because that’s how I was raised. -this one is true for most people, but is not a valid reason to continue believing in god.

    These ones always get to me, what do you think?

    Oh and when they provide their “evidence” in the bible or whatever, and you tear it down, they respond with “but you just have to have faith; that’s how faith works; you don’t need proof.”

  17. Re #1, if they all believe in god in the foxholes, why are they afraid? You’d think they would be looking forward to death, (fighting on god’s side after all), as indeed the suicide bombers apparently are.

    • There are ONLY atheists in foxholes. If you REALLY believed in His Divine Protection, you wouldn’t need to hunker down in one.

      In reply to #36 by Hilary:

      Re #1, if they all believe in god in the foxholes, why are they afraid? You’d think they would be looking forward to death, (fighting on god’s side after all), as indeed the suicide bombers apparently are.

  18. The one (not on this list) that always makes my blood boil is, after hearing I am an atheist, agnostic, or some other form of non-believer, “I will pray for you.” It is so self-righteous and condescending. Grrrr!

    On the other hand, I don’t think #10, about things happening for a reason, or something being part of God’s plan, is a cliche. For my very religious sister (who is always praying for someone), #10 is the very foundation of her spiritual beliefs. She has to work hard to twist and contort her explanation of bad events, and it being God’s plan is always the answer when there is no answer. She’s had a couple of real tragedies in her life, so I don’t begrudge her her manner of coping. I just don’t want to be told that about my life.

    • In reply to #38 by ginakay99:

      The one (not on this list) that always makes my blood boil is, after hearing I am an atheist, agnostic, or some other form of non-believer, “I will pray for you.” It is so self-righteous and condescending. Grrrr!

      On the other hand, I don’t think #10, about things happening for a reason, or somethin…

      As someone hampered with a very religious family, my new stock response to ‘I will pray for you.’ Is to pat the other patronising on the arm and say, ‘thank you, and I will do your critical thinking for you.’ It doesn’t achieve anything constructive, but it does irritate them and thus makes me feel better, which is nearly as good.

  19. The most annoying Christian cliché is “I will pray for you”. They use it when they find out I’m an atheist, or when the religious discussion is not going their way. So, they will pray that their god will clear my mind and I will see things their way? Or, they will pray that their god does not burn me for eternity for thinking the way I do? When I hear, “I will pray for you”, it sounds the same as “f*ck you”.

    • In reply to #39 by cora.wheeler:

      The most annoying Christian cliché is “I will pray for you”. They use it when they find out I’m an atheist, or when the religious discussion is not going their way. So, they will pray that their god will clear my mind and I will see things their way? Or, they will pray that their god does not burn me for eternity for thinking the way I do? When I hear, “I will pray for you”, it sounds the same as “f*ck you”.

      I like to use their offer of prayer to point out that prayer doesn’t work. Since I am not a believer, obviously I can’t ask to be made to believe (James 4:3). However, the bible promises in several places that if a believer asks sincerely, the thing wished for will be granted (Matthew 7:7-8, Matthew 21:21-22, Mark 11:23-24, Luke 11:9-10 for example). So there is no reason I shouldn’t be made to believe.

      If I don’t become a believer, 1) the bible is lying, 2) the person is not a true believer, or 3) I am more powerful than god! (Spoiler Alert: it’s #1)

      I agree that the statement “I’ll pray for you” is a sort of passive-aggressive way of saying “Fuck you.”

      Steve

    • In reply to #39 by cora.wheeler:

      The most annoying Christian cliché is “I will pray for you”.

      That wouldn’t be half so annoying if it was actually true. I can’t prove it but I strongly suspect (having been a fundie Christian for 20 years) that most of the time people who say that don’t do it. Which might be good to hear if you’re an atheist who is irritated, but personal, I had disingenuousness, so I always badger them when I see them next and ask “So, have you been praying for me?” knowing that if they lie, they are then forced to feel a little bit guilty.

  20. All things bright and beautiful, All creatures great and small, All things wise and wonderful: The Lord God made them all. Why then, did the psychopath go on to create smallpox and plague?

    1. “you were never a real christian” as though the person who asked you 30 seconds ago how you became an atheist is in a position to make that determination! Also, when phrased as “they were not real christians”, the ultimate denial that a ” true “christian can ever do anything REALLY wrong. apparently a Christian can cheat on his wife and still be a Christian, but drown your baby in a bathtub or start a mass genocide and apparently you never were a Christian to begin with. Basically, a claim to be able to know the mind of another person better than they do.
    • In reply to #46 by Stuart M.:

      My suggestion: “Hitler and Stalin were atheists, so atheism is responsible for millions of deaths”

      This is worthy of an entire discussion of its own. There’s no evidence that Hitler was an atheist. There are constant references to God in Mein Kampf, and in his speeches he refers to his and Germany’s divine destiny. Stalin was certainly an atheist, as was Mao Tse Tung, but there is no evidence that atheism was what drove them to do the dreadful things they did. Likewise, Generals Franco, Galtieri and Pinochet were certainly Christians, but there is no evidence that Christianity drove them to commit their atrocities.

      Monsters will be monsters, and it is facile to blame religion, or the lack of it, for what they do.

      • In reply to #104 by Macropus:

        This is worthy of an entire discussion of its own. There’s no evidence that Hitler was an atheist. There are constant references to God in Mein Kampf, and in his speec…

        Hitler was a Roman Catholic because he was baptised into the Church. That’s their rules. He was not only a Roman Catholic but he was powerfully influenced by the traditional anti-Semitism of the Church.

        Atheism has no moral code and is nothing more than the recognition that all the gods are mythical. The atheism of other dictators has no bearing on how we judge the morality of their actions.

    • In reply to #47 by dvbivs:

      “I’m a believer!” accompanied with a goofy, wide-eyed look of expectation that you will affirm that their statement (if you can call it one) has any substance whatsoever!

      Substitute “I’m a *Belieber”, same difference?

      *Justin (pregnant pause) Beiber

  21. In reply to number 34 by soonerproud. That reminds me of the time I was accosted on the street by a group of evangelical Christians who informed me that they all had a personal relationship with Jesus. I then pointed out to these biblical ignoramuses that there is no place in the New Testament where Jesus begged people to give their hearts to him, or that he went about saying he wanted to have a personal relationship with everybody. Jesus having a personal relationship with a man? Isn’t that prohibited according to Leviticus?

  22. 1) “So help me God.”

    I always wince when I hear anyone say this. But when that person is also in charge of the nuclear codes, I all but lose “faith” in the future of humanity.

    2) “Insha’allah”**

    See #1, above.

    3) “It’s a miracle [that the baby survived].”

    So I guess it’s an anti-miracle or just plain old tough luck that the rest of its family died in same HUV crash, huh? What about the non-miraculous, but highly medically skilled, team of paramedics, doctors and nurses who fought so hard to save the little’n?

    4) “The End is Nigh”

    But you’ve been saying that for hundreds of years. Please define “nigh”!

    5) “How can you believe in nothing?”

    Well, you should know!

    6) “Are you telling that all this is just an accident?”

    Um, no, no. That’s precisely what I’m not telling you. Evolution by Natural Selection is the exact opposite of…

    7) “Take courage. S/he is now in a better place.”

    Really? And how, EXACTLY, do you know that?

    8) “Let us pray.”

    No, no, let us not pray. Let us get off our butts, or knees, and roll up our sleeves, and get to real work; real work; not prayers; real work: feeding the poor, helping the sick, understanding our universe and how it actually works. You know, stuff that makes a difference.

    9) “Where do you get your morals?”

    Seriously? No, I’m serious. Seriously?!

    10) “…so why bother living?”

    Oh, trust me, there are plenty of reasons for me to keep living — and a skydaddy aint one of them. Here’s a short list: rainbows, the galaxies, biochemical pathways, creativity, travel, thinking, wondering, discovery, friends, falling in love, food, wine, sun, sea and se…need I go on? The question for you is: why not end it all and hasten the journey to the other, apparently much better, place? Well? Ha, thought so. Earth, the universe and everything between aint half bad, is it!

    **Not really a Christian thing, but I have heard Christians in the Middle East say it. The real reason I included it is to inspire another thread: 10 Cliches Islamists Should Stop Saying!

  23. These ten clichés are too feeble to be annoying.

    Here are some really annoying utterances

    1. Atheists say God doesn’t exist. (Atheists say he exists as an idea — a very silly one.)

    2. God made the universe. (Only a tiny doll’s house of a universe. Not the one we live in.)

    3. The Bible isn’t to be taken literally. (Quite right. It’s a work of imaginative literature, to a large extent.)

    4. Jesus rose from the dead. (The doctor who signed the death certificate was incompetent?)

    5. Hitler was an atheist. (A Roman Catholic, actually, with its traditional anti-Semitism.)

    6. Stalin killed millions because he was an atheist. (He wasn’t following the Atheist Ten Commandments because they’re aren’t any.)

    7. Christianity is the Religion of Peace. (Not a religion Christians follow, judging by two great wars and all the others.)

    8. Jesus loves you. (The omnipresent stalker.)

    9. Newton was a Christian. (If that was his claim to fame, we’d never have heard of him.)

    10. Atheists say we are just a bunch of atoms. ((Not ‘just’, but ‘also’.)

  24. My least favorite is “God answers all prayers, but sometimes the answer is ‘no’.” –No, actually, if God answered your prayer with a “no”, you’d be running around deliriously telling everyone you heard the voice of God. What happened was, you didn’t get an answer.

  25. Here’s another one: “Marriage was a sacrament created by Jesus as a symbol of his love for his church.” Completely damn stupid. Couples were married a thousand years before Jesus was a gleam in the Holy Ghost’s eye.

  26. I can’t believe nobody has listed this one…I guess none of you live in the South of the US:
    “God has blessed me so much”. Makes me want to smack the person saying it. How do you think that makes someone like me feel that is having terrible luck and is struggling.

  27. These make me cringe: “He/She has gone to a better place.” “You’ll meet again someday” (meaning in heaven). “Evolution is just a theory.”

    My least favorite, though, has to be #10, “Everything happens for a reason.” Truly, can there be a more blind and ridiculous statement?!

  28. As a Christ follower myself, I love this list. I mean, we really do need to work on our people loving skills more, don’t we? Anyway, I have a suggestion for the list, not as an atheist, but as someone whose father was a Pantheist. When someone dies, don’t ask, “Oh, was s/he a Christian?” If you don’t answer in the affirmative, often Christians will say “oh”, meaning, (or following with), “Oh, that’s too bad s/he’s going to hell”. Instead of love, comfort and solace, you end up receiving insult added to great injury.

    • In reply to #57 by AnneGogh:

      As a Christ follower myself, I love this list. I mean, we really do need to work on our people loving skills more, don’t we?

      Do Christians really need to learn ‘skills’ to show ordinary human warmth?

  29. Actually I find the pervasive assertion that when there is a tragedy the deceased ascend to heaven as angels. In the UK this seems more an antidote to the incomprehensible finality of death than does Christianity.
    I seem to recall Obama trotting this one out after Sandy Hook?
    Apparently more Americans believe in Angels than man made global warming.

    In the UK we have had a long running soap opera plot about an atheist whose religious wife is dying of cancer. The character has repeatedly stated his disbelief in the after life and you know his grieving has no comfort from the idea they will be reunited.
    What do the magazines splash under his cover photo? “good night my sweet angel”. Its not stated but the sub text and use of the word loaded word ‘angel’ seem clear to me that the writers assume the readers believe in after life.

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  31. In reply to number 46 by Stuart M. When believers accuse Hitler of being an atheist, it needs to be pointed out to them that Hitler once said this during a speech he made on April 12, 1922: “My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter”

  32. “Don’t worry, you’ll find God someday” Is he lost? I wasn’t really planning to look for him, since looking for things that don’t exist isn’t high on my waste-of-time-to-do list, but OK! I also wasn’t worried, and I don’t feel like I need an imaginary friend, but thanks for your faux concern which is really just condescension in disguise..

    “He/she is in a better place” People like to tell me this when they find out I recently lost my mom to cancer… An urn is a better place? If heaven exists (which obviously it doesn’t… because that’s just silly) it would have to be full of rapists, murders, child molesters, abusers, and various other “repented” scum of the earth who find god in prison, and I’m fairly certain she wouldn’t have wanted to hang out with those types..

    “If you don’t believe in god, you must not be afraid of death, because you don’t think you’ll be judged” (generally followed by “but you are WRONG!) no, if anything, knowing there is nothing after death makes me fear it all the more, but knowing that I have this life is a wonderful thing, and I live it how I see fit so that fearing death just… doesn’t come up..

    “god loves you” well I’ve never met him, and I reserve my feelings for people/things I’ve met…

    And my absolute least favorite thing EVER which is on a billboard that drive past daily “Life is NOTHING without god” which is… so ridiculously dismissive of everyone who doesn’t believe in the xtian deity… Well what about those poor souls who can never be taught about god because they live in a place where taoism is dominant, or who are deaf and blind and cannot hear the words? What about the babies who die before they find god? What about poor innocent children who are raised by non-believers? what about everyone who doesn’t share your belief?
    (fortunately, it looks like I’m not the only one who hates the billboard, as it seems to be used for target practice… ^_^ )

  33. Xtian retards think incantations have some effect and therefore some value because of their special relationship with the imaginary arsehole sky god. The one I hate is the supercilious and arrogant “I’ll pray for you”. I often feel like saying “and fuck you too”.

  34. “Without religion the whole world would be lost, be immoral…”

    Regarding number 4: What the religious do not understand is that there is a difference between judgement and discernment. We should all use wisdom discerning situations, people, choices, etc. Our brains naturally work critically. Judgement involves applying a story of “goodness” or “wrong” or “sinful” and “righteousness”. Discernment overpasses these views and asks yourself “Is this beneficial to me? or “Is this in alignment with what I want for my life?” It does not look at the other person’s situation and tends to our own life. For instance, lots of people have tattoos. To a Christian, tattoos are wrong. Some may judge others with tattoos as sinful; I’ve even watched a video in which a Christian woman walked into a shop; she started to preach to a couple of guys working. Needless to say, they were stunned and questioned her how she can overlook them as people. We don’t know the intention of people who have a tattoo. Some use it to commemorate the loss of a loved one, their military experience, their children, their cultural symbols. All of these reasons are cherished by the person. I personally could never decide on a design. My aesthetic tastes change all the time. Thank goodness I never had that spiritual symbol tattooed. As a converted atheist, that would have been a huge mistake. Instead of saying that tattoos are wrong, I say they are not for me at this point in time. That’s the difference between discernment and judgement. Discernment does not look down at other people. (Unless it’s an ugly tattoo, then I say – what the hell were they thinking? – that’s judgement.)

  35. Hey, I often hear this. On my personal list it is

    11: But it wasn’t God who nailed his son to the cross, it was the Roman Governor/ Jewish community who condemned him.

    Why was I told this as a small child? It is damaging. I was completely appalled by the notion that people nailed other people to crosses. And I was scared senseless by the idea that a Jewish zombie returned from his tomb. Gosh, he must have been in such a mess, what with his bloody skimpy loincloth, no shoes, no jumper, nothing to hide his bloodstained face and his dishevelled hair. I imagined him to walk with wide open eyes and a mad stare on his dead face. I was wondering how far the rotting of his remains had proceeded when he decided to go for another walk.
    Thank you very much, Catholic teachers at primary school for your unasked for intrusion upon my up until that point rather innocent world view. Thank you indeed for implanting inextinguishable pictures of disgusting horrors in my head. Whoever is responsible for this, please ensure that the horror stories from the bible are labeled: suitable only for persons of 18 years or over.

  36. What about “You just have to believe”. Why do I have to believe? What proof is there to believe? What am I supposed to be believing in? They can’t answer those questions but want me to blindly believe in something. It’s like putting on a blindfold and believing that I can drive home.

  37. I just came across a reference to a recently published book that deals with 50 ridiculous things that Christians say about atheists and atheism. A useful compendium by the looks of it. Here are some of the chapter-headings that caught my attention particularly.

    Atheism is a religion

    Atheists are certain there is no God/hate or are angry with God/see no good in religion/are arrogant/ intolerant/want to strip people of their beliefs/ turn to God when faced with danger or death

    Atheism robs life of meaning

    Without God there is no morality

    Many atrocities have been committed in the name of atheism

    There is no conflict between religion and science

    50 Great Myths About Atheism(Paperback)
    by Russell Blackford, Udo Schuklenk)

  38. Apropos of cheap jibe about Hitler and Stalin being Atheists – or, the Argumentum ad Hitlerum – , in Mein Kampf Hitler wrote: “By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.” ; some Atheist!

    And of course “Uncle Joe” began his working life in a Seminary and his language was replete with religious allusions.

    It’s a lazy supposition and argument of last resort that they were Atheists.

    Or to paraphrase Doctor Samuel Johnson: The argument from ignorance, or Hitler, is the last resort of the scoundrel.

    • In reply to #83 by Bob Springsteen:

      What about Christians who wear crosses around their necks? If Jesus comes back, do you think he’ll want to see another cross?

      Get a load of this guy (blue jacket) – calls himself Arthur Blessitt; been totin’ this hunk of wood around for years. I now see others are following suit – run away! run away!

      • In reply to #106 by bluebird:

        In reply to #83 by Bob Springsteen:

        What about Christians who wear crosses around their necks? If Jesus comes back, do you think he’ll want to see another cross?

        Get a load of this guy (blue jacket) – calls himself Arthur Blessitt; been totin’ this hunk of wood around for years. I see now others…

        There’s more about Mr Blessitt (talk about nominative determinism) here:

        The Official Website of Arthur Blessitt

        He’s been doin’ it for forty five years apparently. That’s either tragic or awesome, I can’t quite decide.

        Maybe it’s both.

        The crosses belonging to the other guys in the photograph do seem to have wheels on them, which I don’t think Jesus’s did. You can’t tell if Arthur’s does.

          • In reply to #109 by bluebird:

            In reply to #108 by Katy Cordeth:

            can’t tell if Arthur’s does

            Yes,he burns rubber.

            Another option – install a front tire, training wheels, and just ride the damn thing. Oh, and a horn, “honk if you love Jesus”.

            Oh, what a cheat. I’ve only just heard of the guy but already he’s gone down in my estimation.

            I was slightly impressed when I thought he’d been dragging his cross round the world for the past half century, but to find out he’s been wheeling it…

            Wheeling things is much easier; that’s the point of wheels. An elderly neighbor of mine has one of these things.

  39. The biggy for me is is the euphemism “passing” for dying. This out and out lie of continuity conceals the true significance of the loss and belittles the emotions felt and displayed.

    Sadly too many people here are habituated to the term also. It tends to be from the those living in the land of euphemism, the US. (Perhaps I should post a link to “The Parrot Sketch” to admit UK has its problems…)

    • In reply to #84 by phil rimmer:

      The biggy for me is is the euphemism “passing” for dying. This out and out lie of continuity conceals the true significance of the loss and belittles the emotions felt and displayed.

      Sadly too many people here are habituated to the term also. It tends to be from the those living in the land of euphemism, the US. (Perhaps I should post a link to “The Parrot Sketch” to admit UK has its problems…)

      An “out and out lie of continuity.” Ha ha. I’ll have to remember that. The appropriate response presumably when someone says one of your loved ones has passed would be “No no: ‘stopped’.”

      My favorite Christian cliche is Jesus wants me/you for a sunbeam. Watch this Youtube clip only if you have a strong stomach.

      Here is the Pepto for it.

      • In reply to #95 by Katy Cordeth:

        In reply to #84 by phil rimmer:

        My favorite Christian cliche is Jesus wants me/you for a sunbeam.

        No need or time for the Pepto, good as it was. That was its own emetic.

        It reminds me of my other hated Christian word usage. “Purpose” as in God giving you purpose in life. This is not the purpose of free individuals, though. This is being given a job like…sweeping the back yard.

  40. The mistake that atheist make is that the Christianity they come in contact with they believe is true Christianity. No wonder they are led astray, because it is not true Christianity. I am going to take each one of these points and point out to you what real Christianity is:

    10) “Everything happens for a reason.” Well of course everything happens for a reason, but where in the Bible does it say that God directs all things? What the Bible says is that Satan is the prince of this world, that means that Satan is primarily running the show down here, not God. God may intervene at times, but not much. Satan has murders commited, and at other times he does not want murders committed. The true picture of Satan is one who is trying to build his empire, but it never works because of evil, therefore civilizations die. God said that Satan was a destroyer of cities. So, don’t put all the blame on God, OK?

    9) “God needed another angel.” I am not sure what that means: “God needed another angel”. But I can tell you this: no where in the Bible does it say that “God loves all little childern”, “God loves all”, “God loves you”, “no matter who you are or what you have done, God loves you”. What Bull! But I can tell you what God does say: “If you obey my commandments I will love you”. Jesus said to his own disciples, who were closer to him than anyone, “If you obey my commandments, you will remain in my love.” In order for you to love God you must obey his commandments, and in order for God to love you you must obey God. It is the same thing. If man obeys God everything will be all right, but men do not obey God, they obey Satan, therefore everything goes wrong. It is quite humorus to me to hear people talk about making a better world, when everything they do makes a worse world.

    8) “God never gives us more than we can handle.” What the Bible says this means is that God gives each of us a way out of sin.
    We don’t have to sin, we can turn away. The trouble is that the most important thing there is to people is sin, that is why they do it.
    It is Satan who gives us more than we can handle, not God.

    7) “For the grace of God, there go I” For the grace of Satan there go I you mean! Remember, in the Bible, where it says that Satan made people lame, and Jesus healed them? Generally God does not go around sticking hot irons into pregnant women, it is Satan who does the dirty work, but notice it is because Satan has an agenda to fulfill.

    6) “I must be liviing right” What a joke, who in the hell is living right?! Nobody! We are all evil sinners, but if we know what is good for us we will try very hard to stop sinning, that is if we even know what sin is, which of course we do not. Wake up!

    5) “Love the sinner, hate the sin” For once you have this one about right. God says: “Judge not, least ye be judged, for in the way ye judge is the way you will be judged.” Boiling people in hot oil might not be a good thing at this point!

    4) “It’s ok to judge” This statement needs to be clarified: We all make judgements about people every day, we would be in trouble if we didn’t. Like if you saw a guy in a dark alley flipping a switchblade knife it might not be a good idea to enter there of. But if on the other hand if you pulled out a pistol and shot the guy dead because you thought he might not be a good fellow, you might be carrying your judgments too far, or if you nail someone to the cross because you disagree with his doctrine, you might be carrying your judgments too far.

    3) “Because the Bible tells me so (or “It’s in the Bible”). Oh, you think people believe the Bible? If that is what you think, let me say to you that you are greatly misquided. Hey, here is a little pursuit for you: Go to any preacher and say to them: The Bible says that satyrs exist, then quote them this verse: “But wild beast of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.” Isaiah 13:21. Know what a satyr is? A satyr is a creature who is half human and half animal, like it might have its lower half a sheep, and its top half a human. We call such things a myth, but they are not a myth, they really existed. Why? Because evil people have sex with animals and give birth to inhuman creatures. I predict, and you heard it here first, that the day will come when such creatures will be interviewed on T.V. Yes, ask a preacher if he believes the Bible when it says satyrs exist, see what he says. You see, the problem is that people DON’T believe what the Bible says. Unicorns?: If the Bible says that unicorns existed, then they existed. Many animals that once existed do not exist now, happens all the time. What if the Narwhal which has a unicorn sticking way out in fornt had went extinct, and the Bible said that such a creature did exist, would you have believed it? What? A whale with a long spear sticking out in front, don”t be rediculous! Oh, swordfish have them to.

    2) “Have you heard about Jesus” Sure, we have all heard about Jesus, but do we believe Jesus? I guarantee you that if Jesus were to return to this earth as he did the first time these so-called Christians would be first in line to nail him to the cross.

    1) “There are no atheist in a foxhole” Well of course there are atheist everywhere, even preachers in churches, but some are praying their heads off asking God to keep their heads from being blown off, which God may do or He many not.

    Got to end it here for now, will answer the other dummies later!

  41. I hate (specifically in response to something happening to someone’s loved one):

    “God’s testing you.”

    So God gave a child cancer to test their parents? That’s beyond cruel. It’s also an incredibly self-centered view. As if to say, “No body matters but me, so when something terrible happens to someone else, it’s all just to see how I react. No one else has feelings or hopes or dreams. Everyone else are merely empty players in the show going on around me so when something bad happens to them it’s just to further my character development.”

  42. There is nothing more narcissistic than the Christian who claims Jesus has healed him. There are a multitude of religious folk claiming they have been healed of cancer. And yet, their is not one report of Jesus ever healing an amputee. Perhaps the Creator of the Universe is biased against people who have lost a limb?

    • In reply to #88 by Bob Springsteen:

      Why do a whole host of professional footballers run out on to the pitch crossing themselves? Has Jesus taken over from Michel Platini at UEFA?

      “This is left, this is right, this is for finking, this is for dogging.”

    • In reply to #89 by Bible Belt Heathen:

      “The Old Testament doesn’t count. Jesus changed all that.”

      Really? Then why is it still part of the bible if it’s been irrelevant for 2000 years?

      Exactly, which is refuted by Christians saying “God is the same then, now and forever.” and “God is unchanging.” I’ve heard both of these and clearly, the god of the OT is not the same as in the NT. Why? Because man wanted a new god. Oops, just broke the commandment of having no other gods, blah blah blah.

  43. I can’t let this thread go without reciting the idiot-dunce Dennis Prager’s favorite question: “If you were alone in an unfamiliar dark alley at night and saw four men approaching you, would you or would you not feel a lot safer knowing that they were carrying Bibles, and had just come from a Bible study?”

    The answer to that is obviously, “Of course I would…However, I would feel equally safer if they were carrying chess sets and just came from a chess club, or were carrying banjos and just came from a hootenanny.” In other words, I’d feel safer knowing that they weren’t just loitering around looking for trouble, and actually had a destination. The religious angle doesn’t really figure into it.

    • In reply to #90 by IDLERACER:

      I can’t let this thread go without reciting the idiot-dunce Dennis Prager’s favorite question: “If you were alone in an unfamiliar dark alley at night and saw four men approaching you, would you or would you not feel a lot safer knowing that they were carrying Bibles, and had just come from a Bible…

      Not if I was a gay guy in Uganda, Nigeria, Russia or Topeka Kansas.

  44. “If it be Your will.”

    The multi-purpose disclaimer that lets God off the hook when you pray for something you know is unlikely to happen: “Please heal Joe’s stage four pancreatic cancer if it be Your will.”

    The corollary is the prayer for the silver lining when you know God isn’t going to give you what you really need: “Please give Joe peace as he faces stage for pancreatic cancer.”

    • In reply to #94 by zonotrichia:

      Jesus stated several times that is you make your requests known to the father, they will be granted. (see Matthew 21:22 and others) He didn’t say maybe, or if it is God’s will, he said inarguably, you will be given what you pray for. So clearly, either he lied knowingly or was simply incorrect. Either way, it’s another piece of evidence in the bible of the bible refuting it’s validity.

    • In reply to #98 by Bob Springsteen:

      .God save our gracious Queen. Is there anyone out there that knows precisely what she needs saving from?

      I think it just means to keep the Queen safe and impervious to any kind of bad thing in general. Dictionary.com has that definition listed separately from the general sense of getting someone or something out of danger. In the old days, it probably meant “safe from our enemies abroad” or “safe from local anti-monarchist rebels”.

    • In reply to #98 by Bob Springsteen:

      .God save our gracious Queen. Is there anyone out there that knows precisely what she needs saving from?

      Actually, it’s God Save our gracious King. The King in question was George II and he was to be saved from the Papists. We’ll get to sing the true version when Bonnie Prince Charles mounts the throne after Mum’s departure.

      In September 1745 the ‘Young Pretender’ to the British Throne, Prince Charles Edward Stuart, defeated the army of King George II at Prestonpans, near Edinburgh.
      In a fit of patriotic fervour after news of Prestonpans had reached London, the leader of the band at the Theatre Royal, Drury Lane, arranged ‘God Save The King’ for performance after a play. It was a tremendous success and was repeated nightly.
      Buckingham Palace

  45. God is good, all the time. All the time, God is good. People who say this are just trying to give their god credit for anything good and also fool themselves into thinking their god is incapable of not being good. They obviously haven’t read Exodus, Deuteronomy, Judges, or Leviticus, and others that describe a psychotic god who takes great pleasure in killing people including children, and enslaving teenage girls for sexual pleasure. Sensible people know this isn’t good. Also, they claim god is the same then, now and forever. This is contradicted by the psycho god of the O.T. versus the supposedly loving god of the N.T. Totally different god. Apparently man wanted to believe in a good deity so he created a god of love to worship. This re-invention enforces the fact that we are responsible for our morality, not an invisible deity. I am glad this angry, jealous god that ancient man created out off fear and ignorance isn’t the least bit real, even after he was rrecreated to be more loving. God is not good, all the time.

  46. On a billboard outside Old Trafford in the late 60s, a Christian group proclaimed “JESUS SAVES”. Underneath, a quick witted United fan had scrawled “Yes, but George Best puts in the rebound”

  47. At Anfield in 1984, Billy Graham announced that “THE HOLY SPIRIT IS WORKING HERE TODAY.” This was ironic, because due to Mrs Thatchers government everyone else in Liverpool wasn’t.

  48. My suggestion for the list:

    • Whether your actions are “good” or “bad” does not depend on your intentions, but on the results of your actions.

    This suggestion might mostly apply to Catholics, who seem to think that supplying “love” to the needy is as good as food, medicine, justice and safety.

  49. In reply to number 103 by Jonf1971. If you believe that the god of the New Testament is more loving than the god of the Old Testament, you owe it to yourself to reread the New Testament. According to the Book of Revelation, on the Day of Judgement Jesus will throw all nonbelievers into The Lake of Fire where they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. The god of the New Testament makes the god of the Old Testament look like Mother Teresa!!

  50. In reply to number 117 by headswapboy. According to the Book of Revelation all believers will approve when Jesus is torturing all infidels in The Lake of Fire. Dear old MotherTeresa will be there cheering on her man. It seems all Christians turn out to be psychopaths in the after-life.

  51. In reply to number 107 by jonf1971. Mathew 21:22. You are mis-interpretating scripture when you suggest Jesus promised every prayer would be answered by God. In the verse you quote, Jesus emphasizes that prayer is useless without TRUE FAITH. St Paul declares that faith is not of yourself, but a gift from God. The Book of Romans clearly teaches that God loves some people and hates the rest (Rom 9:13). Paul declares that God only answers the prayers of the Elect. The Elect had been chosen by God before the foundation of the Earth. This is the Reformed Faith of Calvin and Luther. Check out Calvin’s doctrine of Double Predestination.

  52. I have just lost a friend to cancer. It was one of those diagnosis to dead in six weeks horror stories. He was still at home with the doctors unable to do anything more, in appalling pain, when he wrote his wife a note, she had slipped out for half an hour to get more morphine, and shot himself.

    I am not a violent person, but if anyone tries to tell me that “God needed another angel,” they will be lucky to get off with only a tongue lashing.

  53. Hi guys. Thank you for the great articles, however I do need to point out that almost all of them are riddled with spelling and/or grammatical errors. Please fix as I feel this lack of care may impact on your credibility (well for me anyway).
    Cheers

    • In reply to #128 by horhey:

      Hi guys. Thank you for the great articles, however I do need to point out that almost all of them are riddled with spelling and/or grammatical errors. Please fix as I feel this lack of care may impact on your credibility (well for me anyway).
      Cheers

      Dear horhey,

      I should perhaps point out that “fix” is a transitive verb and (ahem) appears to lack an object in your post. On a stylistic note, consider “affect” as an alternative to the dreadfully clumsy “impact on”.

    • In reply to #128 by horhey:

      Hi guys. Thank you for the great articles, however I do need to point out that almost all of them are riddled with spelling and/or grammatical errors.

      I wouldn’t worry about it. For some posters English is not their first language, and my typing is rubbish anyway!

  54. …someone is watching a video on the aftermath of a terrible tsunami and says: “God help those people” ! ? ! ?
    God is the one (in their opinions) who chose to throw a tsunami party and cause death and suffering, and now they want him to help those same people?

  55. Although I’m an atheist who supports the nation of Israel, it concerns me when I hear fundamentalist Christians say “God promised the land to the Jews.” It would appear that the Creator of the Universe morphed into a cosmic Real Estate Agent.

    • In reply to #134 by Bob Springsteen:

      Although I’m an atheist who supports the nation of Israel, it concerns me when I hear fundamentalist Christians say “God promised the land to the Jews.” It would appear that the Creator of the Universe morphed into a cosmic Real Estate Agent.

      Yahweh is the tribal god of Israel, so he is bound to favour his people over all others.

  56. “Jesus is opposed to homosexuality.” According to the New Testament, this idea is absurd. The Gospels clearly teach that the so-called son of God was in love with John the Disciple (John 13:23).

  57. I’m going to chime in because this is a poor critique without actually addressing what the philosophical/theological basis behind the statements is. It is an attack based on a characterization.

  58. While I was on the way to Villa Park a group of Christians approached me and asked “What would you do if Jesus returned today?” I replied, “I’d play him up front with Christian Benteke.”

  59. (4) It is not okay to judge at all, Sadly Christians are Hypocritical. Matthew 7:1-“Do not judge, or you too will be judged… We are told not to judge and we shouldn’t (3) Unicorns, this one is fun. once again we are found in another part of the bible’s context is used wrong. Unicorn in the bible is referring to an animal with more than one horn (2) Spreading Christianity is the goal of the Christian faith soo its kinda the goal and all so your gonna hear it a lot.

  60. According to Oliver Heywood’s diaries, on meeting a lad in November 1681, ‘I begun to ask him some questions about the principles of religion; he could not tell me how many gods there be, nor persons in the godhead, nor who made the world, nor anything about Jesus Christ, nor heaven nor hell, or eternity after this life……I asked him whether he thought he was a sinner; he told me he hoped not; yet this was a witty boy and could talk of any world things skilfully enough…he is 10 years of age, cannot read and scarce ever goes to church’. Although the modern generation can read there are many who are no different from the lad referred to and, seriously, have not heard of Jesus. The point I’m making Mark, is that cliches, statements, linguistic inaccuracies and phrases which may, or may not, lack practical application, are irrelevant to what Christians believe. It’s what they do and why they do it which matters.

    • historian Feb 20, 2014 at 12:45 am

      Although the modern generation can read there are many who are no different from the lad referred to and, seriously, have not heard of Jesus.

      Just as there are many Christians who have not heard of Shiva or Shinto.

      The point I’m making Mark, is that cliches, statements, linguistic inaccuracies and phrases which may, or may not, lack practical application, are irrelevant to what Christians believe.

      Surely they are a reflection by their leaders of “what Christians believe.”

      It’s what they do and why they do it which matters.

      As with all people in all cultures.

  61. I wish I could quote examples, they are legion, but I would include all of the uninspiring, utterly banal and superficial stupidities that churches seem compelled to put up on their notice boards for the edification of passing motorists.

    Please, just your schedule of Sunday bowing and scraping so I can avoid the area at those times will be sufficient public proclamation of your presence.

    Thank you.

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