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The Richard Dawkins Foundation is pleased to announce our first official cartoonist! Jacob Fortin is the comic book artist and creator of The Good Atheist podcast. He's also the author of Bible Stories, a laugh out loud retelling of the Bible with incisive observations about its flaws. This week his cartoon refers to the Conservative Bible Project. See our interview with Jacob Fortin here.

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    • In reply to #1 by Alan4discussion:

      Blessed are the rich and privileged for the they shall inherit the promised land – flowing with oil and money.

      Really?

      Yet their god told them to settle on the only bit of land in the middle east that does not have oil?

      • In reply to #8 by old-toy-boy:

        In reply to #1 by Alan4discussion:

        Blessed are the rich and privileged for the they shall inherit the promised land – flowing with oil and money.

        Really?

        Yet their god told them to settle on the only bit of land in the middle east that does not have oil?

        Yeah! But that was only back in the days when the only oil came from Olive trees – with bronze-age herders not really being among the rich or privileged. In fact much of their whingeing is about being oppressed and enslaved by the various rich neighbouring Babylonian, Egyptian and Roman empires, That is why the Biblical revisionists @ OP need to re-write history to praise and glorify the accumulation of wealth and personal greed!

    • In reply to #2 by alaskansee:

      I don’t understand, this is only funny if Andrew Schlafly said something very close to that. Did he?

      Not sure what Andrew has said, but one of the ten guidelines they have is:

      Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning

      • In reply to #3 by The Truth, the light:

        Not sure what Andrew has said, but one of the ten guidelines they have is:

        Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning

        Thanks but it seems like a far cry from taking the meaning you want from the bible, cherry picking, and literally changing it.

        Still not funny, yet…

          • In reply to #5 by Hatfullofsky:

            In reply to #4 by alaskansee:

            Thanks for this, I would never have found it without the link, and I suggest to all that it should be looked at, browsing history be damned. This is appalling. The so called holy book is apparently not holy enough and must be “revised” to bring it into line with the Palin/Bachmann abhorrent view of the world. And then, to make it far worse, used as a school text.

            This is mind boggling. Not even the jihadists want to change their holy book to justify their actions.

            If you dare have it smudge your browsing history then just go straight to the source, Conservapedia’s Conservative Bi…

          • In reply to #5 by Hatfullofsky:

            Thank you for the reference. I have to say that I now find the cartoon very funny, as it addresses and satirises the ridiculous but seemingly enthusiastically followed views of a dangerous lunatic. More ridicule please from this great cartoonist as it’s probably the best tool we have to get lazy people such as myself to examine these beliefs. So much nonsense dissipates in the clear light of day.

            In reply to #4 by alaskansee:

            Thanks but it seems like a far cry from taking the meaning you want from the bible, cherry picking, and literally changing it.
            Still not funny, yet…

            If you dare have it smudge your browsing history then just go straight to the source, Conservapedia’s Conservative Bi…

  1. The Conservative Bible Project

    As of 2009, there is no fully conservative translation of the Bible which satisfies the following ten guidelines: …

    no.3: Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level

    Schlafly is complaining that there’s no version of the Bible which doesn’t cater to a readership above the age of about twelve or thirteen… and it’s the translators’ fault? Take it up with God, Andy. There’s a reason most adults don’t read The Very Hungry Caterpillar, too.

    • In reply to #9 by Katy Cordeth:

      The Conservative Bible Project

      no. 8 Exclude Later-Inserted Inauthentic Passages: excluding the interpolated passages that liberals commonly put their own spin on, such as the adulteress story

      Haven’t Jews been saying this stuff about inauthentic passages for about two thousand years? I think it’s called the New Testament.

      Clause 8 would seem to exclude anything created for the purposes of the Conservative Bible Project. On the other hand, religious belief is never noted for its logic or internal consistency. In this case however, it seems to have reached its nadir

  2. From the cartoon:

    Verily, I say unto thee, socialism is the tool of Satan.

    Verily I say unto thee that Satan has never cajoled me into my socialist view of the world. No spirits, no devils no angels have ever persuaded me that the sharing of the Earth’s resources by the whole of humanity, is a bad idea. Indeed a bloody magnificent idea !

    • In reply to #12 by Thomas Carter:

      Socialism is a quasi religion in its on right and a really Shitty economic system to boot

      There is a degree of socialism in all civilized cultures….Public school, Police and Fire, roadways, I could go on.

      • In reply to #14 by alf1200:

        In reply to #12 by Thomas Carter:

        Socialism is a quasi religion in its on right and a really Shitty economic system to boot

        There is a degree of socialism in all civilized cultures….Public school, Police and Fire, roadways, I could go on.

        ….and in most places, health care.

  3. In reply to #s 14 & 12
    All of these (except health care)
    are best carried out by government, but let’s
    also recognize that govt can do a really
    poor job of it.

    What I really wanted to get across was to
    say that let’s not replace traditional religion
    with a secular religious substitute cult.
    Reason should rule and socialism should
    be subject to the same level of logical
    review as any other belief.
    No one gets a free ride, or we will fall back
    into the same trap that we currently have
    with religion.

    • In reply to #17 by Thomas Carter:

      In reply to #s 14 & 12
      All of these (except health care)
      are best carried out by government, but let’s
      also recognize that govt can do a really
      poor job of it.

      What I really wanted to get across was to
      say that let’s not replace traditional religion
      with a secular religious substitute cult.
      Reason…

      The health care system is a disaster.. The ONLY way to correct it is to initiate a central health care system. The corporations for profit will not cut their own throat.
      Your statements do not reflect the reality of the situation.
      Socialism is not a religion. Socialism is not a belief.

    • In reply to #17 by Thomas Carter:

      In reply to #s 14 & 12
      All of these (except health care)

      You may care to check the life expectancy of countries with national health care as opposed to those without an effective health care program in place. It’s fine if you can afford health care, but many can’t.

      • In reply to #20 by Nitya:

        In reply to #17 by Thomas Carter:

        In reply to #s 14 & 12
        All of these (except health care)

        You may care to check the life expectancy of countries with national health care as opposed to those without an effective health care program in place. It’s fine if you can afford health care, but many can’t…

        And that’s why we have Social Security and Medicare programs. And the Veterans Administration which I am a member of.

      • In reply to #20 by Nitya:

        You may care to check the life expectancy of countries with national health care as opposed to those without an effective health care program in place. It’s fine if you can afford health care, but many can’t.

        You can check them here:-

        http://thesocietypages.org/graphicsociology/2011/04/26/cost-of-health-care-by-country-national-geographic/

        They show that Americans pay twice as much as most developed countries for a poorer service.

        Thomas Carter- @17

        In reply to # 14 & 12 All of these (except health care) are best carried out by government, but let’s also recognize that govt can do a really poor job of it.

        Governments would have to do an absolutely appalling job of it, to be worse than the US free-market, profiteering system, illustrated in the linked graph! Unsurprisingly the countries with government health services and universal coverage generally give both better service and better value to most of their citizens, than the US system.

        • In reply to #22 by Alan4discussion:

          In reply to #20 by Nitya:

          You may care to check the life expectancy of countries with national health care as opposed to those without an effective health care program in place. It’s fine if you can afford health care, but many can’t.

          You can check them here:-
          http://thesocietypages.org/

          And a shorter life expectancy than many other developed countries.

        • In reply to #22 by Alan4discussion:

          While I’m an apologist for national healthcare systems, I don’t feel confident in saying that that graph proves that having one is better for general health, as expressed by life expectancy, than not having. Aren’t there any other countries without national healthcare systems for which this data is avaliable? Without them, all we can safely say is that the USA’s healthcare services are crap and worse than other countries’, not that public national healthcare is better in general.

          • In reply to #24 by Dreamweaver:
            >

            Aren’t there any other countries without national healthcare systems for which this data is available?

            There’s Mexico on the linked graph, It covers OECD countries many of which have national public systems.

            What we can also see from the graph that other factors such as doctor visits are included.

    • In reply to #17 by Thomas Carter:

      In reply to #s 14 & 12
      All of these (except health care)
      are best carried out by government, but let’s
      also recognize that govt can do a really
      poor job of it.

      What I really wanted to get across was to
      say that let’s not replace traditional religion
      with a secular religious substitute cult.
      Reason…

      and the NFL…

  4. I’m a firm believer that the private sector does everything better that the state sector – their jobs and livelihoods depend on it. Because non-state companies need to please their customers, you will find that products get produced better and better at (relatively) cheaper and cheaper prices. It’s a win-win for everyone.

    But, and it is a big but, private companies will do (and arguably should do) anything legal to fortify their own position and maximise profits. In some cases this could mean cutting corners in production or monopolising their position to raise prices. This means there needs to be laws to ensure companies don’t overstep the mark – which there are. But naturally, this is imperfect and companies can and do get away with stuff.

    In the case of private v state health provision, the situation is more complicated. Unfortunately, the customer is not in a position to understand the product he is buying nor, often, do research before he buys. Private healthcare companies know this very well and make matters even more difficult by creating further barriers to understanding – giving alleged different treatments, making up terms that cannot be understood and so on. In short, a confusopoly is created where the customer cannot make an informed decision and therefore shop around. Nor is there often a choice since hospitals get built on such a large scale that there may only be 1 or 2 in an area – and 2 hospitals can easily fix prices between them. Until such times as we can formulate rules that stop companies doing this, we may be better off with state monopolies, who, whilst inefficient in the extreme, don’t price gouge or take money out of the system for profit/dividends/unearned bonuses etc.

  5. Blessed are the rich and the privileged, for as long as the masses believe in bullshit man-made myths, half-baked miracles and a disgusting savior who can’t save himself, then we shall inherit the entire planet. Stupid morons.

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