Gay vice principal Mark Zmuda said he was fired, offered option of divorce

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The vice principal of Eastside Catholic school, who was fired last month after school officials learned he had married his male partner, said in a newly released video that he was told he could keep his job if he got a divorce.

Mark Zmuda, 38, a well-liked swim coach and vice principal of Eastside’s middle and high schools, said the school’s president told him he could keep his job if he divorced his husband of five months and had a commitment ceremony with his partner.

The story of Zmuda’s termination was reported globally, triggered sit-ins by students at Eastside high school and other area Catholic schools and remains the subject of ongoing protests and rallies by students hoping to change the church’s position on same-sex marriage.

The Catholic church also does not recognize divorce.

Written By: Lornet Turnbull
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21 COMMENTS

  1. …said the school’s president told him he could keep his job if he divorced his husband of five months and had a commitment ceremony with his partner.

    I can’t say I’m surprised reading that, but to me what’s amusing is the oblique increased acceptance of their lifestyle. Not that long ago, it would have read that he was outright fired. Instead, “No! Married to another man?? Disgusting! What? Yeah, go knock yourselves out with all the commitment you want. Have yourselves a commitment ceremony! God loves those! He just doesn’t want you married.
    When did He change his mind? I don’t know. A few years ago when we all started realizing church attendance was down due to our archaic beliefs.”

    Do they even know what they’re getting upset over? Or do they just want to show that they’re taking some kind of stand?

  2. …at least Mark and his husband won’t be asking the poor little catholics for condoms in their healthcare insurance.

    It certainly should be a good reminder that even if you think you’re in the club you have to read the rules. Gay-catholic is a non-sequitur not just from the churches side.

    • In reply to #5 by Miserablegit:
      Not quite. The church is against dissolution of a valid sacramental marriage. Zmuda was never married in their eyes. They wanted him to get a civil divorce to renounce what he’d done.

  3. If the catlicks don’t recognise gay marriage why the problem? To them it hasn’t happened. As for asking him to get divorced that is even weirder because a. they are against divorce and b. this guy isn’t even married in the first place according to them.

    It is hilarious what a tangle irrational dogma gets you into. They are now so out of touch they are all making it up as they go along. It is just like when you argue with a liar and they come out with something that proves they are lying and you see the panic in their eyes when they realise they are caught out. They then start making up even more ridiculous lies in an attempt to cover their tracks while everyone looks on in amazement.

    • In reply to #6 by Aber ration:

      If the catlicks don’t recognise gay marriage why the problem? To them it hasn’t happened. As for asking him to get divorced that is even weirder because a. they are against divorce and b. this guy isn’t even married in the first place according to them.

      It is hilarious what a tangle irrational dogm…
      Splendid comment!
      Cheers,

  4. The Catholic Church does allow divorce under very rare circumstances, for example where it can be proved that a marriage has not been consummated and is unlikely to be. The Catholic Church does not recognize gay marriage (of course), and in the case of Mark Zmuda a Catholic institution, such as a school, cannot be seen to condone a gay marriage by allowing one of its employees to be a partner in a gay marriage. Since the marriage was, in the church’s view, invalid, divorce was a consistent proposal from the church’s perspective to enable Mr Zmuda to keep his job, though the divorce would have been granted not by the church but by the civil authority that had sanctioned the marriage. This would have been necessary, had Mr Zmuda chosen this course, in order to establish what the church would regard as right order in the social and legal contexts. Such a proposal was of course a monstrous disregard for the human realities of love and commitment involved, but these things seem to count for nothing among Catholics where their superstitious doctrines have been transgressed.

  5. Don’t think this guy is going to have any trouble finding a new job.
    Just glad I left the Catholic church when I did. How can people stay in such a lunatic organisation.
    Do they just want to keep god’s books straight (no pun intended).

    • In reply to #8 by price:

      Don’t think this guy is going to have any trouble finding a new job.
      Just glad I left the Catholic church when I did. How can people stay in such a lunatic organisation.
      Do they just want to keep god’s books straight (no pun intended).

      No pun intended, but a happy accident lol

  6. Two sweet guys who could be truly liberated by shedding their belief in a non-existent god.
    But – it this America? There is a law in the UK that forbids such behaviour on the part of an employer or any citizen to discriminate on the grounds of sexual orientation. The teeth of the Church have been wholly pulled in the UK – it’s the only way to rein in their humbug. (I think, however, there is still a couple of yellow-stained and crooked incisors still to be pulled).

    • In reply to #9 by Graham1:

      The teeth of the Church have been wholly pulled in the UK

      Not so. They are restricted by employment law to the extent that they wouldn’t be able to fire somebody on the grounds that he/she was gay. They will, however, discriminate, when it comes to hiring and promoting staff, in favour of ‘good Catholics’.

  7. Normally I would think, well if you are going to choose to work for and therefore support a Catholic School you are going to get fired if found out.

    What I really object to is government supporting these schools because they take kids from the public sector and in some areas therefore reduce the jobs-positions available to say a gay teacher. This means governments at least in my country are paying for catholic schools that are in direct competition with state schools. Only the catholic schools can pretty much make up their minds who they have and don’t have (for example many will not take on special needs kids-because they claim not to have the money, or behaviour problems) this drives difficult cases into the state school giving a disproportionate balance or difficult cases which re-enforces the move to private (often religious) schools in the area. States really need to stop supporting these schools at all – unless they are required to do the same job and follow the same laws ie. no discrimination! If they want to entirely self fund, and pay taxes fine – but they want it both ways. About time this stopped.

  8. Of course, the katlick church is anti-gay whether or not they allow/accept gay marriage or any divorce. That’s easy to understand. What I don’t get is why Mark Zmuda is surprised the barbarians “let him go”. He could easily refer to himself as a cultural Catholic and his husband as a cultural Lutheran and just flip the bird to all religious based job positions.

  9. No sympathy, it is people such as this guy and people who use birth control who keep this spiritual entertainment/political sult going. If the Vice Principal had guts he would work for decent corporations instead of management that hides child molesters.

    • In reply to #13 by Vicar of Art on Earth:

      No sympathy, it is people such as this guy and people who use birth control who keep this spiritual entertainment/political sult going. If the Vice Principal had guts he would work for decent corporations instead of management that hides child molesters.

      Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas?

  10. he was told he could keep his job if he got a divorce.

    catholics don’t believe in gay marriage or divorce. except when there’s overwhelming evidence of a gay marriage then they believe in both.

    is no one going to stand up for christian valiues? divorce should be between a MAN and a WOMAN!

  11. What amazes me is to find an intelligent educated person working in an occupation where he would be so vulnerable… “A Gay Catholic School Coach & Vice-Principle” Married of not… talk about sleeping with the enemy… sort of the equivalent of a pacifist joining the Navy Seals…. or a surgeon who is squeamish at the sight of blood… duh… what was this man thinking… no surprises or sympathy here!

    • In reply to #18 by IBphree:

      What amazes me is to find an intelligent educated person working in an occupation where he would be so vulnerable… “A Gay Catholic School Coach & Vice-Principle” Married of not… talk about sleeping with the enemy… sort of the equivalent of a pacifist joining the Navy Seals…. or a surgeon who…

      Um … if gay people only choose to work were we could guarantee we wouldn’t be discriminated against that is a very small set of potential places to look for work – especially as a teacher. No, we have the right to work and live our lives openly, and the law and society is rapidly agreeing with us. Plenty of openly gay people work for religious schools, even Catholic ones. The people responsible for the discrimination are the ones who need to be inconvenienced and made to defend their position. We choose to fight for equality, I get that people like yourself don’t like it, but you are going to have to learn to live with it. Because we are not going back into the closet. I personally can’t quite believe the changes I have seen and experienced in my lifetime. I am hopeful that any queer kids born over the next few years will grow up in a very different situation to what we did. They will never even be able to imagine what it used to be like. This story gives me a lot of hope for the future.

      • In reply to #20 by debjanrobin:

        In reply to #18 by IBphree: “We choose to fight for equality, I get that people like yourself don’t like it, but you are going to have to learn to live with it.”

        1. I didn’t comment as to liking or not liking the situation. You assumed I wasn’t Gay and that you are and that your gayness somehow gives you an undeserved authority… that’s a weak defense.
        2. He took a job as a coach/teacher with a organization that was not just opposed to his lifestyle but, to date, totally against it. Therefore his choice put his future in jeopardy by gambling upon the hot and cold whims of his Catholic Employer.
        3. The article doesn’t mention if Mr. Zmuda (and spouse) are Catholics as well as being Gay… did he believe that the heavens would open and a miraculous change of heart/policy would happen within the church… just because he desired an honest marriage?
        4. I am a Gay Anti-Theist… my comments were based on Mr. Zmuda’s irrational work choice as opposed to his lifestyle. A rational person would not forget before going into the Tiger’s domain… that the Tiger’s brain tends to see the human as lunch (disposable) and would have taken appropriate precautions.
        5. As far as hope for the future… the dude was fired… need I say more.

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