Unprecedented Attack On Evolution ‘Indoctrination’ Mounted In Missouri

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A Missouri lawmaker has proposed what ranks among the most anti-evolution legislation in recent years, which would require schools to notify parents if "the theory of evolution by natural selection" was being taught at their child's school and give them the opportunity to opt out of the class.

The bill had its first public hearing Thursday after being introduced in late January.
 

State Rep. Rick Brattin (R), who sponsored the bill, told a local TV station last week that teaching only evolution in school was "indoctrination."

"Our schools basically mandate that we teach one side," he told KCTV. "It is an indoctrination because it is not objective approach."

The bill is one of several anti-evolution proposals that have already appeared in statehouses across the country; the Daily Beast counted four states (Missouri, Oklahoma, South Dakota and Virginia) where legislation had been introduced. The proposals would allow for a range of approaches to evolution, from presenting a "debate" over evolution versus creationism to requiring that local school boards allow intelligent design to be included in biology courses.

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76 COMMENTS

  1. State Rep. Rick Brattin (R), who sponsored the bill, told a local TV station last week that teaching only evolution in school was “indoctrination.”

    The quoting of “two sides” of a multidisciplinary subject (his and the “wrong” one!!), is a sign of the indoctrinated ignoramus who understands no sides of the issues!

    “Our schools basically mandate that we teach one side,” he told KCTV.

    That would be the “objective science side” of a complex subject with a huge amount of detail specific to particular organisms. – Not be be confused with “It-must-be-magic-because-I-am-utterly-clueless side” of the comical ignorance!

    “It is an indoctrination because it is not objective approach.”

    Sounds like:
    “I am a silly muppet, preaching about objectivity – which I also know nothing about, and have reached this conclusion because I have no idea about logical deduction either”!

    It seems to be a requirement in some kinds of politics, in some places, to be utterly uninhibited about demonstrating embarrassing levels ignorant stupidity – with airs of comical pomposity!

    Next those schools will be indoctrinating kids about gravity, without mentioning flubber!

    • In reply to #1 by Alan4discussion:
      There is also now a debate in St. Louis about students having to learn the basics that all American students have to learn (Common Core). Not all Republicans are against this common sense idea, but the most vocal opponents are of course Republicans!.Check out the St. Louis Post. I did, and I live in Denmark. The debate should not even be happening, but to know it is and that the more enlightened folks there seem to have things under calm control is heartening.
      Cheers!

  2. “It’s an absolute infringement on people’s beliefs,” Brattin told the Kansas City Star of requiring schools to teach evolution. “What’s being taught is just as much faith and, you know, just as much pulled out of the air as, say, any religion.”

    It is great to hear him admit where his religion comes from …thin air.

    • In reply to #2 by holysmokes:

      “It’s an absolute infringement on people’s beliefs,” Brattin told the Kansas City Star of requiring schools to teach evolution. “What’s being taught is just as much faith and, you know, just as much pulled out of the air as, say, any religion.”

      It is great to hear him admit where his religion comes…

      Its better than where I think it comes from………

  3. Hi Rick Brattin (may i call you Dick?),

    Where did YOU go to school, sir? Are you a proud graduate of any institutions you’d care to mention? What did you study? How were your grades? How’d ya get elected?

    THIN AIR, indeed.

  4. If I taught biology under that kind of law, I think I’d just pass out parental notifications to all my students, every day, detailing what we would be studying the following day, and require that every child’s parents signed every notice every day. Parents with twins would have to sign two. And signatures would have to be legible, and all the g’s and j’s and such would have to dip below the line or they would be unacceptable. Teachers in other subject could get in on this too.

  5. “It’s an absolute infringement of people’s beliefs”. ; what is so difficult about understanding that believing in something does not make it true?

    Just keep these attention seeking inadequates away from children.

    • That’s because there’s money to be made in dem dar igorrant hllls. Can’t stay in power and rake it in with educated people watching now, can you?
      In reply to #7 by papa lazaru:

      Another clueless lawyer barging in on behalf of morons.You keep beating them down, they keep popping back up with the same tired, dismissed arguments.

  6. Oh, a Republican. I’m shocked.

    What the sane politicians in Missouri should do now is parody this bill. Flood the system with similar proposals; anti-plate tectonics, anti-germ theory, anti-atomic theory, etc. Ask Brattin why parents should have the right to exempt their children only from being taught about evolution.

  7. Oh, a Republican. I’m shocked.

    What the sane politicians in Missouri should do now is parody this bill. Flood the system with similar proposals; anti-plate tectonics, anti-germ theory, anti-atomic theory, etc. Ask Brattin why parents should have the right to exempt their children only from being taught about evolution.

    • In reply to #9 by Mr DArcy:

      Missouri eh ? The same state as Todd Akin and “legitimate rape” if memory serves. The planks are thicker in the Missouri forests !

      Ya know, My father was born in Missouri. His father was born in Missouri. And his grandfather was born in Missouri.

      I don’t take your comments about Missouri personally. In fact you hit the plank on the head……….They are strange people……..I’ve met my relatives and they are scary.
      (I wasn’t born in Missouri).

    • In reply to #9 by Mr DArcy:

      Missouri eh ? The same state as Todd Akin and “legitimate rape” if memory serves. The planks are thicker in the Missouri forests !

      As someone from Missouri I can tell you a lot of people in our state are embarrassed by our state legislators. I should also mention that Todd Akin lost to Claire McCaskill after the “legitimate rape” comment.

      And don’t forget that a large number of Americans voted for the guy who believes in holy underwear.

  8. After graduating from high school, Brattin worked in the construction industry, thereafter joined the Marine Corps and is now owner of a construction company as well as being a farmer.This man also believes in firing squads for executions as the US is running out of drugs and is refused fresh supplies.

    Eminently well qualified to pronounce judgment on evolution or anything else school- related,wouldn’t you say?

  9. I’m happy to see that most comments (all I’ve read so far) are in favor of science. However, I am getting more despondent with every creationist attack. It looks like they are getting more fierce, not less.

    • In reply to #11 by Thomas Hobbes:

      I’m happy to see that most comments (all I’ve read so far) are in favor of science. However, I am getting more despondent with every creationist attack. It looks like they are getting more fierce, not less.

      Back a rat into a corner, and you will certainly see it become very fierce.

    • In reply to #11 by Thomas Hobbes:

      I’m happy to see that most comments (all I’ve read so far) are in favor of science. However, I am getting more despondent with every creationist attack. It looks like they are getting more fierce, not less.

      Keep watching. They will start their sacrifices soon.

    • In reply to #11 by Thomas Hobbes:

      I’m happy to see that most comments (all I’ve read so far) are in favor of science. However, I am getting more despondent with every creationist attack. It looks like they are getting more fierce, not less.

      They are desperate.

  10. A republican in Missouri, who,would have thought, there are two sides in this debate he says which of course is right – the side of science and reason and the side of religious stupidity.

  11. How does a professional make a living when they are susceptible to such fallacies in formal rationality? That he can imagine a bizarre notion does make his idea any more worthy of the status of being logically antithetical than the great cosmic teapot boiler.

    He should look to Jefferson, “Ridicule is the only position to take against irrational propositions since arguments have to be properly formed before logical can act upon them”.

  12. “What’s being taught is just as much faith and, you know, just as much pulled out of the air as, say, any religion.”

    …well, not quite. By this way of thinking you could get a degree in physics by arguing the Christian god is holding a thumb to your head to keep you from flying off into space, which would be an equally viable argument to gravity, but one theory is much more supportable than the other. I’m sure Christians wouldn’t want to think their god has 6 billion thumbs for all the people on the planet. And what about the cows?

  13. The has to keep being hammered home to these ignorant Bible-mongers that anything based on faith is not science. Thus creationism and intelligent design are not science and do not belong in a science class. They are not other sides of some supposed scientific debate; they simply have nothing to do with science.

    If creationists and advocates of intelligent design wish to challenge the theory of evolution by natural selection, they need to produce the evidence, propose a suitable hypothesis, make predictions on this basis, do the experiments and come up with results that support the hypothesis. Surely they learnt as much in general science class themselves however long ago! If they did not, were they not paying attention, or were they not taught such things? If they were not taught such things, they were denied their natural entitlement to a decent education. And here they are now wanting to empower parents to harm present-day children by denying them their natural entitlement to a decent education that will prepare them for life in the real world.

  14. The old stories of the literal interpretation of Genesis…when we realize that the Bible is NOT a book of science and natural history, but the revelation of a GOD who loves man and gave a him a soul this controversy ends. There is not conflict between science and faith, but many see it.

    • In reply to #19 by nadocramer:

      The old stories of the literal interpretation of Genesis…when we realize that the Bible is NOT a book of science and natural history, but the revelation of a GOD who loves man and gave a him a soul this controversy ends. There is not conflict between science and faith, but many see it.

      Huh?…….What?……….

      • What ? In reply to #23 by alf1200:

        In reply to #19 by nadocramer:

        The old stories of the literal interpretation of Genesis…when we realize that the Bible is NOT a book of science and natural history, but the revelation of a GOD who loves man and gave a him a soul this controversy ends. There is not conflict between science and fai…

        • In reply to #24 by nadocramer:

          What ? In reply to #23 by alf1200:

          In reply to #19 by nadocramer:

          The old stories of the literal interpretation of Genesis…when we realize that the Bible is NOT a book of science and natural history, but the revelation of a GOD who loves man and gave a him a soul this controversy ends. There is…

          Uh, The first comment I have to make is a question. Who is “…when we realize that the Bible ” WE? You can realize anything you want or believe anything you want but “we” think for ourselves.

          • In reply to #25 by alf1200:

            Em resposta a # 24 por nadocramer:

            O quê? Em resposta a # 23 por alf1200:

            Em resposta a # 19 por nadocramer:

            As velhas histórias da interpretação literal do Gênesis … quando percebemos que a Bíblia não é um livro de ciência e história natural, mas a revelação de um Deus que ama o homem e deu a… UH….. You and I are free to think and believe whatever you want, but tell me : is there a conflict between faith and science ?

          • In reply to #27 by nadocramer:

            In reply to #25 by alf1200:

            Em resposta a # 24 por nadocramer:

            O quê? Em resposta a # 23 por alf1200:

            Em resposta a # 19 por nadocramer:

            As velhas histórias da interpretação literal do Gênesis … quando percebemos que a Bíblia não é um livro de ciência e história natural, mas a revelação de um…

            That question is too broad and is probably a trap. Be more specific. Do you believe in Noah’s Ark? (That’s a question).

          • In reply to #28 by alf1200:

            Em resposta a # 27 por nadocramer:

            Em resposta a # 25 por alf1200:

            Em uma RESPOSTA POR nadocramer # 24:

            O Que? Em uma RESPOSTA POR alf1200 # 23:

            Em uma RESPOSTA POR nadocramer # 19:

            As Velhas Histórias da Interpretação literal fazer Gênesis … when that percebemos uma biblia Localidade: Não E…

            Ok, I`ll make the three quick questions : Can you reproduce the Shroud of Turim (Italy), Lanciano (Italy), bodies do not rot (Lourdes, France) ?

          • In reply to #31 by nadocramer:

            In reply to #28 by alf1200:

            Em resposta a # 27 por nadocramer:

            Em resposta a # 25 por alf1200:

            Em uma RESPOSTA POR nadocramer # 24:

            O Que? Em uma RESPOSTA POR alf1200 # 23:

            Em uma RESPOSTA POR nadocramer # 19:

            As Velhas Histórias da Interpretação literal fazer Gênesis … when that percebemos…

            I am not going to play that game either.

          • In reply to #33 by alf1200:

            Em resposta a # 31 por nadocramer:

            Em resposta a # 28 por alf1200:

            Em uma RESPOSTA POR nadocramer n º 27:

            Em uma RESPOSTA POR alf1200 # 25:

            Em UMA RESPOSTA POR nadocramer # 24:

            O Que? Em UMA RESPOSTA POR alf1200 # 23:

            Em UMA RESPOSTA POR nadocramer # 19:

            As Velhas Histórias da Interpretação l…

            My friend, I am Christian and catholic, but can turn atheist. The basis of the christian faith is the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. If someone shows me a bone of Jesus and it just christianity. I walk naked in the Vatican Basilica and take the biggest drunk of life. 2000 years ago the grave is empty. Mas not be discouraged, keep looking for the bones of Jesus, may have success……

    • In reply to #19 by nadocramer:

      The old stories of the literal interpretation of Genesis…when we realize that the Bible is NOT a book of science and natural history, but the revelation of a GOD who loves man and gave a him a soul this controversy ends. There is not conflict between science and faith, but many see it

      Btw, You got everything right except the spelling of god.
      It’s dog. ” but the revelation of a DOG who loves man and gave a him a soul “

    • In reply to #19 by nadocramer:

      the Bible is NOT a book of science and natural history, but the revelation of a GOD who loves man and gave a him a soul this controversy ends.

      That is the believer’s problem! Once the brain’s god-spots block out conflicting evidence, the general gap-filler of “God-did-it-by-magic” comes up as an answer to everything.

      There is not conflict between science and faith,

      Then there is no conflict between religion’s “faith-thinking” and science, either because the science has be excluded, or it has been down-graded and locked away by the cognitive dissonance of compartmentalisation.

      Generally there is little or no conflict, because the the preconceptions of faith, have prevented the basic understanding of the science by rejecting any elements which conflict with indoctrinated dogmas.

      This of course makes their attempts at understanding of those parts of science dysfunctional.

      but many see it.

      .. If they actually understand the science which refutes the theist claims!

      • In reply to #36 by Alan4discussion:

        Em resposta a # 19 por nadocramer:

        A Bíblia não é um livro de ciência e história natural, mas a revelação de um Deus que ama o homem e deu a ele uma alma essa polêmica acaba.

        Esse é o problema do crente! Uma vez que deus-spots do cérebro bloquear evidências conflitantes, o gap-filler geral de “Deu…

        They blocked my comments, but that`s ok. The catholic school of jesuits priests had great contribution in science, education, philosophy, biology, astronomy, meteorology, botany, chemistry, among others. And they werw religious and scientists. Why say that religion destroys science ?

        • In reply to #39 by nadocramer:

          Em resposta a # 36 por Alan4discussion:

          Em uma RESPOSTA POR nadocramer # 19:

          A Biblia Localidade: Não E hum Livro de ciência e História Natural, mas a Revelação de Deus hum Opaco ama o Homem e um elemento DEU UMA alma ESSA polêmica Acaba.

          ESSE É O Problema não crente! UMa Vez Que da Deus-manchas…

          You`re right. “Science without religion is blind, religion without science is lame” Both are completed.

        • In reply to #39 by nadocramer:

          In reply to #36 by Alan4discussion:

          Em resposta a # 19 por nadocramer:

          A Bíblia não é um livro de ciência e história natural, mas a revelação de um Deus que ama o homem e deu a ele uma alma essa polêmica acaba.

          Esse é o problema do crente! Uma vez que deus-spots do cérebro bloquear evidências con…

          A ubiquitous straw man argument. Its not that religious people can’t be great scientists its that religious ideas themselves are in conflict with science, even those religions that take pride in their scientific outlook, which I will grant the Catholic church does.

          To take one example, we have lots of solid research relating to the evolution of the human brain and the evolution of how the mind works. We can now see how complex abstract concepts such as morality and love, kinship , altruism etc have arisen in our species because of evolutionary drivers.

          The catholic church rejects this research instead preferring the dogma that a diety somehow injected souls into primitive homo sapiens thus given rise to all the human attributes they consider god given – morality, compassion, love etc. needless to say they have no actual scientific evidence to back up their own ideas and this is another clear case where religious ideas clash with scientific.

          When acclaimed geneticist Francis Collins claims that the absence of evidence supporting how consciousness forms is proof that “God did it” he is restating the fallacies of the argument from ignorance and the excluded middle ( that there can’t be any other explanation) . This muddled thinking goes against all the great scientific discipline that earned him his accolades and is a clear limit to his scientific horizons, “god blinkers”.

          Even the celebrated Newton was not immune to this. In 1693 he wrote “To your second query I answer that the motions which the planets now have could not spring from any natural cause alone but were impressed by an intelligent agent.”. Within a decade or two of his death this was shown to be bunkum. Any magical explanation offered for natural phenomena is ultimately demonstrated to be false.

  15. “Our schools basically mandate that we teach one side,” he told KCTV. “It is an indoctrination because it is not objective approach.”

    Based upon this we should start teaching the alternative mathematical concept of 2+2=3

  16. Humans need to get out of this “I don’t know, so god” mindset.

    I don’t understand Rap music, but I don’t think god did it. How many times have you heard theists say they can’t see how the universe was not created?

  17. To be fair to Missouri, I’m sure there are lots of sensible people there. Now I like Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn a lot, and weren’t they from Missouri ?

    But this Brattin character obviously knows nothing about evolution, and is just making a complete fool of himself.

  18. Can you imagine being a science or biology teacher in some of these places? What is wrong with these people? It is not indoctrination to teach basic science? Are they deliberately trying to dumb down their population? How can you ever hope to achieve anything if you refuse to engage with what makes logical sense? You can’t even do medical research.

  19. What’s next – opting out of math classes because they teach that pi is a transcendental number, an essentially endless non-repeating decimal instead of exactly 3 like the Bible claims? Opting out of any science class that teaches that the earth is an oblate spheroid that revolves around the sun and that the sun is just a star? Prohibiting schools from serving foods that aren’t “clean” by Levitican standards? How about we just don’t educate kids at all, so they can stay at home and be indoctrinated straight from the Bible? They’ll then be perfectly molded into an ignorant underclass ripe for exploitation by the wealthy and privileged, not to mention rabidly patriotic cannon-fodder for future holy wars.

  20. Rep. Brattin is as stubborn as a Missouri mule. Being a Baptist may be part of it.

    Evolution is what sticks in folks craws the most. No way do they want to consider themselves as having descended from a common ape ancestor ~ we are god’s children, not animals. The district he represents encompasses a somewhat back woods area, just outside the city limits of Kansas City.

    Considering Mo has two large cities (KC and St.Louis), yes, that is a lot of potential students who will lose under this proposed law. Some school districts are on the brink of flat-lining, there is zero room to muddy the waters! In other words, back.off. Brattin.

    Mo recently acquired phenobarbital from an undisclosed pharmacy to carry out a pending execution. Two dollar pistols can remain holstered for now.

    Samuel Clemens was born in Hannibal, just north of St.Louis, on the Missouri River. Also, a large chunk of southern Mo. (Ozarks) is named after him – ‘Mark Twain National Forest’. Beautiful.

  21. I live in Missouri, but not in this representative’s district. I intend to write my representative to block, or vote against this proposed bill. I often write to local and state representatives. Although I often have a different viewpoint, I typically get an official response on the representative’s viewpoint of his or her constituent’s view. Democracy can be great, but we shouldn’t let ignorance guide the way. Send me your questions, rants and raves and I will personally distill them in a letter and post the reply.

  22. This idiot should be told that gravity is also just a theory, be directed to the nearest skyscraper, have him declare that teaching only the theory of gravity is indoctrination and then have him take a leap of faith. Let’s see how committed he really is to his cause. Or maybe tell him that relativity is also only just a theory. A theory that enables him to use GPS to find his way to the nearest insane asylum where he belongs because of his dilusions.

  23. So glad that in German schools children at 14 can instead opt out religion and turn to ethics instead! I ask myself if the rest of America is not ashamed of guys like him ’cause claims likt this are spread all over the world via the www. in no time! Teahcing both sides of what? The truth? It really gives me the shivers. People like him in such positions is like handing a rail gun to a monkey …

  24. So glad that in German schools children at 14 can instead opt out religion and turn to ethics instead! I ask myself if the rest of America is not ashamed of guys like him ’cause claims likt this are spread all over the world via the www. in no time! Teahcing both sides of what? The truth? It really gives me the shivers. People like him in such positions is like handing a rail gun to a monkey …

  25. Why can’t scientists and science teachers use defamation laws or laws about false advertising or spreading false and misleading information against these people spreading their religious biases that are not founded in science! Why can’t scientists and science teachers start class action law lawsuits? These religious claims are not founded in science or reality or rationality. Laws need to protect people from that, especially children.

  26. Students who opt out should not be allowed to graduate if they do. No child should be allowed to do less work than anybody else and still get to graduate with a diploma, for having done less work. What’s next? Dropping out of astronomy and physics because of the Big Bang? You either get a proper education and earn your diploma like everybody else, or you don’t.

  27. Didn’t McLean v. Arkansas, Edwards v. Aguillard, and Kitzmiller v. Dover settle stupid laws like this? Mr. Brattin is obviously attempting, like so many others before him, to teach creationism and intelligent design alongside (but truthfully, instead of) evolution. These people are supposed to know that such laws breach the establishment clause of the First Amendment and are strictly prohibited in public schools. Mr. Brattin is attempting to bypass this by allowing parents and students to ‘opt out’ of a fundamental part of science education and the preeminent theory in biology. If such students wish to remain in the school in which they are enrolled, they will have to pass the tests and attend the classes, otherwise they won’t graduate, and if they can graduate in spite of not being taught evolution, I’ll laugh at the educational standards of Missouri.
    Reading the entirety of the bill, it’s clear that nothing is being explicitly taught instead of evolution (even if the intent of the bill is clear), so I have a feeling that even if Mr. Brattin’s bill does not necessarily breach the establishment clause, the issue will be with the Missouri department of education and consistent educational standards for every student enrolled and attending public schools.

  28. To Rick.Brattin@house.mo.gov
    2/23/2014 at 8:50 PM

    A simple quote:

    “If you think that your belief is based upon reason, you will support it by argument, rather then by persecution, and will abandon it if the argument goes against you. But if your belief is based on faith, you will realize that argument is useless, and will therefore resort to force either in the form of persecution or by stunting and distorting the minds of the young in what is called “education”. This last is particularly dastardly, since it takes advantage of the defencelessness of immature minds. Unfortunately it is practiced in greater or less degree in the schools of every civilised country.”

    -Bertrand Russell “Human Society in Ethics and Politics” (1954) p. 220

    Your proposed legislature, allowing parents to opt out of SCIENCE in a SCIENCE class, is an affront to our nation’s education potential. You will be crippling generations of children; and actively pissing on the constitution we both swore to uphold and defend. Our country’s founders would be ashamed at your simple-minded bigotry.

    Semper Fidelis,
    Jeff Engen
    Well-Evolved Primate

  29. We are also facing the rise of these “we are paying taxes and we do not believe in theory of evolution, so nobody dares to teach it to my child!”, and it is a pity there is no way to introduce law that anybody who wants to introduce any pseudoscience, must pass exam to show that he/she has any idea what he/she has objections to.

  30. As a science teacher, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. This is exactly why I support adopting the Next Generation Science Standards across the board. Perhaps a non-negotiable math and science curriculum for the country and let states argue the rest. That way at least we don’t have to worry about keeping tabs on fifty different governing bodies trying to muddy up the waters. Also, there is an option for parents who wish to raise ignorant children, and that option is private school or homeschool.

  31. The last time this was tried, in Ohio, the media made it seem like all was all doom and gloom: but the voters overwhelmingly defeated the anti-evolution bill. Take heart, folks.
    Cheers!

  32. I remember being sent to the headmasters office, when I told the RE Teacher that I would rather do more mathematics than be taught, what in effect is just another history lesson. I had an interesting conversation with the head teacher, who said that social issues would also be discussed in the RE classes (I think that now the curriculum has indeed morphed RE into social issues education) so It would be beneficial for my all round education to attend! I accepted this, and thus had one hour of religious history and practice (plus some social teaching such as sexual issues STD’s and contraception and the like) – I was at a secondary modern school, with no specific religion, but they still made us sing hymns in morning assembly (unbelievably – boys still had metalwork/woodwork on their curriculum whilst the girls did domestic science!) and that is late seventies/early eighties!
    I can thank my (very attractive) young biology teacher for insisting that we all read “The origin of Species” – for it is her that started my pursuit of biological truths v the conspiracy theory culture that you’re exposed to at school and college!

  33. The next piece of legislation will prohibit classrooms from having a spherical object containing the names of continents and curvy bodies of water and land masses . Yes, this appears to be completely idiotic to modern thinking, but not so long ago this could have been a legitimate argument. It helps illustrates how backward thinking this bill sounds.
    Our education system is in enough trouble as the US continues to slide in Reading, Math and Science rankings globally. Just think of the damage such legislation will bring.

  34. Hey all,
    I teach evolution and actively load my students up with exactly what the creationists and IDers will throw at them. I show them the eye evolution, bacterial flagella and such and mention “irreducible complexity” then I smash it with exaptation and Ken Miller’s testimony at the Dover trial. I rail all day every day against this stupid vapid bullshit and the politicians that push it forward for their own gain and reelection.

    You want ME to teach the controversy???? ME???? REALLY??? Ok, well I guess I will. I mention and annihilate every creationist bit of crap that comes along.

    But, this past week, a student actually hit me with a question/argument that i was not ready for. The kid asked (I swear this is true) “If evolution is true where did all the black people come from?” When I said “a better question is where did all the other types of people come from?”…. She decided that black people must have come FROM OUTER SPACE. I had to walk away from the ignorance.

      • A lesson on “smart” might be more at hand!

        In reply to #73 by Cairsley:

        In reply to #72 by crookedshoes:

        … She decided that black people must have come FROM OUTER SPACE. I had to walk away from the ignorance.

        Are you planning a lesson on melanin at some stage then?

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