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Imagine a world without religion - welcome to a world of total anarchy, no morals and a society in pieces. Dawkins is living in fantasyland if he thinks a world without religion (or should I say Christianity), would be a better place. How can a society work where as long as the majority agree with something it becomes acceptable? And don't cite religion as the reason for violence - it would still exist to an even greater degree. Hitler and Stalin did not need religion as an excuse to start a war. Also don't make the mistake of tarring all religions with the same brush - you cannot blame law-abiding Christians for the acts of Muslim terrorists, that is just naive.3. Comment #34801 by scottishgeologist on April 25, 2007 at 9:41 am
4. Comment #34802 by GodlessHeathen on April 25, 2007 at 9:41 am
5. Comment #34807 by _J_ on April 25, 2007 at 10:08 am
6. Comment #58343 by Your_Noodly_Master on July 24, 2007 at 2:40 pm
RD makes the claim that children, who have given no thought to their religious beliefs, can not accurately be described as having a religion. However, in other articles, he theorizes that the spread of religion occurs because the minds of children are open to be easily programmed. His stated goal for his book is to get people to question the validity of their religions, which implies that most people don't. These ideas seem contradictory; people are programmed with religion as children and largely don't question it, but it is improper to describe some people as members of whatever religion for that same reason.7. Comment #58348 by Goldy on July 24, 2007 at 2:59 pm
Noodles, I'm confused. If a child has not been given religious thoughts (like my child) then hopefully they can't have been programmed to have a religion. If they are told that God is the one true god and all that and that they have to believe, they will. Most people do not question the validity of their belief - see Dianelos in other posts, or BizzaroDawkins - they accept and do not question their unique interpretations of the God thought.8. Comment #58389 by Your_Noodly_Master on July 24, 2007 at 5:13 pm
I agree that no one is born with a religion; my point is that from then on, indoctrination occurs. Trying to determine exactly when a child's beliefs are such that they could be considered a member of that religion seems impossible and pointless. Therefore, deciding whether it is appropriate to describe a child as Christian, Muslim, etc. would have to be done on a by case basis.9. Comment #58397 by Goldy on July 24, 2007 at 5:28 pm
That's the point, isn't it? You can't describe a child as anything but a child. When a person understands what religion means and either rejects it or embraces it, that's when the name calling can start :-) However, I was a Christian from, well, a month after my birth. Christened in Dec 1969. No matter what i thought, I was C of E, end of story. For some, I'm C of E until my last breath, no matter what. We could go on a case my case basis, but generally, a child is deemed of that religion from when it is born. Ethnic Malays are Muslim by law, no matter what their beliefs (you may recall the recent story of a woman, I believe called Joy, who wanted to change her classification to Christian. This was disallowed, to the cries of Allahu akbar, becasue once a Muslim, always a Muslim. Did anyone ask her if she wanted to be a Muslim at birth?). In some cases, there are a few preliminary priestly mumbles and maybe a spot of mutilation after birth to "welcome" the child to the fold after the actual birth, but generally, there is no choice. I think the child is not really important in the equation other than existing, which is why it has been described as abuse.10. Comment #61728 by mikecbraun on August 6, 2007 at 2:14 pm
11. Comment #61735 by pewkatchoo on August 6, 2007 at 3:05 pm
12. Comment #61740 by Nails on August 6, 2007 at 4:05 pm
13. Comment #119553 by Steve Zara on January 31, 2008 at 4:54 pm
How can a society work where as long as the majority agree with something it becomes acceptable?Representative democracy. Having an indirect democracy helps to prevent the views of the masses dominating over the rights of minorities.
14. Comment #121912 by rthille on February 4, 2008 at 10:46 am
Josh, do you see any problem with me reproducing this (printing on 8.5"x11" sheets, or mayby 1/2 sheets) with the "Imagine No Religion (twin towers)" images on the other side to hand out?
1. Comment #1732 by S.Aiyer on October 16, 2006 at 6:42 am
Religion flowers in spiritual poverty, loneliness and ignorance, it seems to give hope to the hopeless but in reality it helps them live a lie. Most people do not want to take responsibility for their lives, environment and society.Priests,preachers, Gurus and Ayatullahs are parasites who live off this ubiquitous ignorance of their flock. One needs intelligence to stand alone. Being part of a tribe or a faith group requires weakness on the part of an individual.But to think deeply and question established values requires strength.