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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments

Document Imagine No Religion

by Richard Dawkins

Imagine, sang John Lennon, a world with no religion. Imagine no suicide bombers, no 9/11, no 7/7, no Crusades, no witch-hunts, no Gunpowder Plot, no Kashmir dispute, no Indo/Pakistan partition, no Israel/Palestine wars, no Serb/Croat/Muslim massacres, no Northern Ireland 'troubles'. Imagine no Taliban blowing up ancient statues, lashing women for showing an inch of skin, or publicly beheading blasphemers and apostates. Imagine no persecutions of the Jews - no Jews to persecute indeed, for without religion they would long ago have intermarried with the surrounding populations.

Of course today's religious killings and persecutions are not motivated by theological disputes. IRA gunmen don't kill Protestants (or vice versa) over disagreements about transubstantiation. The motive is more likely to be tribal vengeance. It was one of 'them' killed one of 'us'. 'They' drove 'our' great grandfathers out of our ancestral lands. The grievances are economic and political, not religious, and the vendettas stretch back a long way.

But although the tribal disagreements themselves have nothing to do with religion, the fact that there are two tribes at all has everything to do with religion. There are, no doubt, tribal distinctions of genetic or linguistic origin, but in Northern Ireland what else is there but religion? The same applies to Indo-Pakistan, Serbo-Croatia, and various regions of Indonesia and Africa. Religion is the world's most divisive label of group identity and hostility. If a social engineer set out to devise a system for perpetuating today's most vicious enmities, he could not come up with a better formula than sectarian education. Faith schools that taught all religions comparatively might do some good. But the whole point of faith schools is that the children of 'our' tribe must be taught 'their own' religion. Since the children of the other tribe are simultaneously being taught the rival religion with, of course, the rival version of the vendetta-riven history, the prognosis is all too predictable.

What can it mean to speak of a child's 'own' religion? Imagine a world in which it was normal to speak of a Keynesian child, a Hayekian child, or a Marxist child. Or imagine a proposal to pour government money into separate primary schools for Labour children, Tory children, LibDem children and Monster Raving Loony children? Everyone agrees that small children are too young to know whether they are Keynesian or Monetarist, Labour or Tory, too young to bear the burden of such labels. Why, then, is our entire society happy to slap a label like Catholic or Protestant, Muslim or Jew, on a tiny child? Isn't that, when you think about it, a kind of mental child abuse?

I once made that very point in a broadcast debate with a Roman Catholic spokeswoman. I've forgotten her name but she was probably some kind of agony aunt, and a stalwart of Thought for the Day. When I said that a primary school child was too young to know whether it was a Catholic child or a Protestant child, she bristled: "Just come and talk to some of the children in our local Catholic school! I can assure you they know very well that they are Catholic children." Well yes, I believe it only too well. The Jesuit boast - "Give me the child for his first seven years, and I'll give you the man" - is no less sinister for being familiar (in various versions) to the point of clich?.

But, you may ask, what if religion is true? (What if my particular religion is true, you should rather say, for mutually contradictory beliefs can't all be true.) Surely sectarian indoctrination would not be child abuse if it saved the child's immortal soul? Despite its smug presumptuousness, I can see how you might take that view if you sincerely believed you had the God-given truth. Let me, then, be ambitious if not presumptuous, and try to persuade you that you do not have the truth. Your confidence in your God is simply wrong!

Why do you believe in your God? Because he talks to you inside your head? That is surely not a reliable argument. The Yorkshire Ripper's murders were ordered by the perceived voice of Jesus inside his head. The human brain is a consummate hallucinator, and hallucinations are not good grounds for beliefs about the real world. Perhaps you believe in God because life would be intolerable without him. That's an even weaker argument. Maybe life just is intolerable. Tough! All sorts of things are intolerable, but it doesn't make them untrue. It may be intolerable that you are starving, but you won't make a stone edible by believing - no matter how passionately and sincerely - that it is made of cheese.

By far the favourite reason for believing in God is the argument from improbability. Eyes and skeletons, hearts and nerve cells are too improbable to have come about by chance. Man-made machines are improbable too, and they are designed by engineers for a purpose. Surely any fool can see that kidneys and wings, ears and blood corpuscles must also be designed for a purpose, by a master Engineer? Well, maybe any fool can see it, but let's stop playing the fool and grow up. It is 146 years since Charles Darwin gave us what is arguably the cleverest idea ever to occur to a human mind. He demonstrated a working process whereby natural forces, with no design whatsoever, can by slow, gradual degrees generate an elegant illusion of design, to almost limitless levels of complexity.

I have written books on the subject and I obviously can't repeat the whole argument in a short article. Let me give just two guidelines to understanding. First, the commonest fallacy about natural selection is that it is a theory of chance. If natural selection really were a chance process, it is entirely obvious that it could not explain the illusion of design. But natural selection, properly understood, is the antithesis of chance. Second, it is often said that natural selection makes God unnecessary, but leaves his existence an entirely open possibility. I think we can go further. The argument from improbability, which traditionally is deployed in God's favour, turns out to be, when you think it through, the strongest argument against him.

The beauty of Darwinian evolution is that it explains the very improbable, by gradual degrees. It starts from primeval simplicity (relatively easy to understand) and works up, by plausibly small steps, to complex entities which, by any non-gradual process, would be too improbable for serious contemplation. Design is a real alternative, but only if the designer is himself the product of an escalatory process such as evolution by natural selection, either on this planet or another. There may be alien life forms so advanced that we would worship them as gods. But they too must be ultimately explained by gradual escalation. Gods that exist ab initio are ruled out by the Argument from Improbability, even more surely than are spontaneously erupting eyes or elbow joints.

Religious faith is not only a major force for evil in the world. Its very foundations are undermined and denied by scientific logic. Imagine a world where nobody is afraid to follow such thoughts wherever they may lead.

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1. Comment #1732 by S.Aiyer on October 16, 2006 at 6:42 am

Religion flowers in spiritual poverty, loneliness and ignorance, it seems to give hope to the hopeless but in reality it helps them live a lie. Most people do not want to take responsibility for their lives, environment and society.Priests,preachers, Gurus and Ayatullahs are parasites who live off this ubiquitous ignorance of their flock. One needs intelligence to stand alone. Being part of a tribe or a faith group requires weakness on the part of an individual.But to think deeply and question established values requires strength.

2. Comment #34800 by coolwainy on April 25, 2007 at 9:26 am

Imagine a world without religion - welcome to a world of total anarchy, no morals and a society in pieces. Dawkins is living in fantasyland if he thinks a world without religion (or should I say Christianity), would be a better place. How can a society work where as long as the majority agree with something it becomes acceptable? And don't cite religion as the reason for violence - it would still exist to an even greater degree. Hitler and Stalin did not need religion as an excuse to start a war. Also don't make the mistake of tarring all religions with the same brush - you cannot blame law-abiding Christians for the acts of Muslim terrorists, that is just naive.

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3. Comment #34801 by scottishgeologist on April 25, 2007 at 9:41 am

 avatarYes, just imagine it - a world composed of countries like the Scandinavian ones. Just think how crap that would be. Much better to have a world composed of countries ruled by the Pat Robertsons and Benny Hinns of this world. Counterbalanced of course by several nations ruled by throat-slitting bearded a-holes waving their AK47s about.

I've an idea. Lets all get together and pray for such a world..... religion has obviously got SO much more to offer than social democracy and science.

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4. Comment #34802 by GodlessHeathen on April 25, 2007 at 9:41 am

 avatarCoolwainy; I do wish y'all would read about a little before posting. You're not saying anything at all new, and more to the point, not saying anything that has not already been refuted in a number of ways.

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5. Comment #34807 by _J_ on April 25, 2007 at 10:08 am

 avatar2. Comment #34800 by coolwainy

'How can a society work where as long as the majority agree with something it becomes acceptable?'

Marvellous question. Whereas, if we determine twenty-first century social acceptability in terms of adherence to the opinions of a vocal minority in the bronze age Near East, clumped with some later additions hobbled together from existing mythologies, selectively edited and then subjected to several centuries of varying interpretation, translation and reinterpretation – that way, utopia lies. Yes, of course, it's all so obvious. Step this way; mind the graven images.

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6. Comment #58343 by Your_Noodly_Master on July 24, 2007 at 2:40 pm

RD makes the claim that children, who have given no thought to their religious beliefs, can not accurately be described as having a religion. However, in other articles, he theorizes that the spread of religion occurs because the minds of children are open to be easily programmed. His stated goal for his book is to get people to question the validity of their religions, which implies that most people don't. These ideas seem contradictory; people are programmed with religion as children and largely don't question it, but it is improper to describe some people as members of whatever religion for that same reason.

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7. Comment #58348 by Goldy on July 24, 2007 at 2:59 pm

Noodles, I'm confused. If a child has not been given religious thoughts (like my child) then hopefully they can't have been programmed to have a religion. If they are told that God is the one true god and all that and that they have to believe, they will. Most people do not question the validity of their belief - see Dianelos in other posts, or BizzaroDawkins - they accept and do not question their unique interpretations of the God thought.
RD said, as I recall, that no child is born a religion. They are born a colour, a shape, a sex but not a religion. It is like nationality - I am English, my wife is Chinese, my daughter is born in NZ. Is she a Kiwi then? (Yes, by birth) Is she English? (Yes too - through me - and she is a dual national) Is she Chinese (through mitDNA yes but as my wife lost her Chinese nationality once she took NZ citizenship, no). See the confusion? Nationality is an artificial construct, like religion. Parents decide their religion, on the whole. Like circumcision, the child has no say in the matter, a matter that can follow on into adulthood (here's an article that makes one think http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article2795629.ece).
Children believe in Father Christmas, the bogeyman and the tooth fairy - as they question those, they stop believeing. God is the same as those childish ideas (given to the children by adults) but unfortunately the belief in this idea is so widespread that no one really thinks about it. Sometimes, if they do think about it, there are serious repercussions (see article above and consider the Egyptian mufti's recent comments about changing religion).

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8. Comment #58389 by Your_Noodly_Master on July 24, 2007 at 5:13 pm

I agree that no one is born with a religion; my point is that from then on, indoctrination occurs. Trying to determine exactly when a child's beliefs are such that they could be considered a member of that religion seems impossible and pointless. Therefore, deciding whether it is appropriate to describe a child as Christian, Muslim, etc. would have to be done on a by case basis.

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9. Comment #58397 by Goldy on July 24, 2007 at 5:28 pm

That's the point, isn't it? You can't describe a child as anything but a child. When a person understands what religion means and either rejects it or embraces it, that's when the name calling can start :-) However, I was a Christian from, well, a month after my birth. Christened in Dec 1969. No matter what i thought, I was C of E, end of story. For some, I'm C of E until my last breath, no matter what. We could go on a case my case basis, but generally, a child is deemed of that religion from when it is born. Ethnic Malays are Muslim by law, no matter what their beliefs (you may recall the recent story of a woman, I believe called Joy, who wanted to change her classification to Christian. This was disallowed, to the cries of Allahu akbar, becasue once a Muslim, always a Muslim. Did anyone ask her if she wanted to be a Muslim at birth?). In some cases, there are a few preliminary priestly mumbles and maybe a spot of mutilation after birth to "welcome" the child to the fold after the actual birth, but generally, there is no choice. I think the child is not really important in the equation other than existing, which is why it has been described as abuse.
Personally, I don't think a child should be labelled anything other than a child. Even if they decide they want to be known as Christian or Muslim or Tea Potters, at a young age they are probably only mouthpieces of indoctrination (see this article http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/24/world/asia/24madrasa.html?ref=world) and don't fully comprehend what it is they are meant to be thinking. Again, the theists arguing here are a good example of this, to me at least. In some cases, te indoctrination is so deep, evidence has to be interpreted with a god in it to make it understandable.
Ideally a case by case basis for description is right, but it doesn't happen that way.

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10. Comment #61728 by mikecbraun on August 6, 2007 at 2:14 pm

 avatarReligion does NOT give hope to the hopeless, on the contrary, I think it makes them more hopeless. A hopeless inner struggle of questioning every thought and every action and wondering, "Is this what god would want me to do?" "Am I going to hell?" "Are my family members going to hell?" Forcing this hopelessness on others, especially children, is a great evil. Unfortunately, our children are empty vessels waiting to be filled with others' racist beliefs, religious beliefs, etc. We can't keep them under our protection at all times to filter out the garbage and keep them pure in the quest for truth (pure in the sense that they can wait until an age when they can come to conclusions for themselves). Therein lies the evil of society: influence. The drug dealer, the priest, the racist all have almost equal time with our kids. Parents who hold these poisonous beliefs have carte blanche with their kids, and thus the vicious cycle will continue, which is a shame. Rationality, atheism, and science will always have a struggle. Let's hope that it will not always be an uphill struggle!

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11. Comment #61735 by pewkatchoo on August 6, 2007 at 3:05 pm

 avataroh bloody hell, we have another one of the mindless 'weeflea' type nutters in here talking ballocks. Yet another one who thinks he understands the purpose of religion better than the assembled cast of this website. I have given up with them and will simply treat their rantings with contempt. Someone else, I am sure, will take up the challenge of trying to get sense out of the senseless.

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12. Comment #61740 by Nails on August 6, 2007 at 4:05 pm

 avatar2. Comment #34800 by coolwainy on April 25, 2007 at 9:26 am Shouldn't you change your log in to "loony"? Instead of picking holes in your post, I would merely invite you to read TGD (if you already have, then read it properly this time) and watch your words disappear down the u-tube, where they belong.

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13. Comment #119553 by Steve Zara on January 31, 2008 at 4:54 pm

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How can a society work where as long as the majority agree with something it becomes acceptable?
Representative democracy. Having an indirect democracy helps to prevent the views of the masses dominating over the rights of minorities.

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14. Comment #121912 by rthille on February 4, 2008 at 10:46 am

Josh, do you see any problem with me reproducing this (printing on 8.5"x11" sheets, or mayby 1/2 sheets) with the "Imagine No Religion (twin towers)" images on the other side to hand out?

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