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Monday, May 14, 2007 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments

Document BBC man says 'I was wrong to lose it. But these scientologists are truly scary'

by John Sweeney, The Daily Mail

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Watch John Sweeney's outburst at the Scientologists

BBC reporter John Sweeney apologises for losing his temper on tonight's Panorama programme on Scientology.

He talks about the 6 months of intensive research behind the film and what it was exactly that drove him to lose it

Paranormal. The rant: John Sweeney's outburst at a leading Scientologist

I let my team down and I apologised when it happened and I apologise again now.

However, to understand how I felt, you've got to spend six months investigating the Church of Scientology, then a whole week of continued contact with both its followers and its ex-followers, then spend 90 minutes inside an exhibition on mind control and then try to behave normally.

I felt as though I was losing my mind to them.

I wanted to make a documentary about the Church of Scientology because what they call their religion is expanding - it opened a £20million centre in London last year and it claims to have broken from what some feel is a sinister past.

So my mission was to find out whether or not Scientology had cleaned up its act.

As soon as we flew to America, strange things began to happen. Our team was spied on by ten different strangers.

We once returned to our hotel room at midnight to find Tommy Davis, a top scientologist and friend of Tom Cruise, waiting for me - even though we hadn't told them where we were staying - to berate me for talking to two people who'd left the church.

On another occasion, Davis invaded an interview I was conducting with a critic of Scientology, who they say is a sex pervert. Davis even read out his criminal record.

In total, we spent seven intense days filming scientologists and ex-Scientologists, during which time I felt they had been repeatedly pushing at my mental boundaries.

At the culmination of the week, we went to a gruesome scientology exhibition in Los Angeles called "Psychiatry: Industry of Death".

It was the most disturbing exhibition I have ever been to.

For example, senior scientologist Jan Eastgate told me: "Psychiatry is the so-called science behind the Holocaust and euthanasia.

"The psychiatrists set up the whole euthanasia campaign in the concentration camps.

"They went into the concentration camps and they set it up, and they decided who was going to be killed."

Among the sickening exhibits were images of people having needles put through their eyeballs, having their brains operated on and undergoing electroconvulsive therapy, a controversial treatment for depression that involves inducing a seizure in the patient by passing a current through electrodes on their temples.

The place felt like a mock-up of a torture chamber.

Although I've often been on the side of those who say medicine can get things wrong, the idea that the whole discipline of psychiatry is meant to be a Nazi pseudo - science seems totally wrong - yet that's what they wanted me to believe.

It was immensely disturbing and, yes, it made me feel angry and confused.

By the end of 90 minutes, I felt bombarded and unable to bear another single second of the pressure. It was so intense.

As a reporter, I've been in plenty of tough situations. I've worked in Chechnya twice and managed not to lose it.

This, however, was different. It was weird and intense and terrifying. It felt like an invasion of my mind. And I snapped.

The trigger was that we were talking about brainwashing. Tommy Davis had accused me, unfairly I felt, since he hadn't heard the whole interview, of giving a critic of Scientology an easy time.

But the truth is that it was everything else that had gone before that had brought me to the stage where I made an animal outburst so unlike me that my wife and children say they didn't recognise me when they saw it.

As soon as it happened, I caught the producer's eye and she gave me a look that made me realise I'd behaved dreadfully.

Only that, but I'd walked straight into the giant elephant-trap they'd set up for me - and, in doing so, handed scientology a coup.

It didn't stop there though. The strange events continued.

Three further incidents, after I returned to Britain, made me particularly uneasy.

First, a stranger knocked on our neighbour's door and asked where I lived.

Then the day before my wedding, another person turned up at my mother-in-law's home in Devon. A relative found her going through the post in the hallway of the block of flats.

When challenged, she claimed to be a friend of ours from Dawlish and said she wanted to send us a wedding present.

Neither my wife nor I have ever been to Dawlish, and we don't know anyone who lives there either.

Then, in the middle of our wedding, which took place in a remote part of Cornwall, we realised there was a man hiding in the bushes who appeared to be taking pictures of us.

A wedding guest, who also happened to be the assistant producer on the Panorama programme, went to challenge him - but he jumped in a car and drove off.

Of course, he could have been a birdwatcher.

I can't prove that scientology had anything to do with these things but it certainly seems odd.

Once again, I apologise for losing it but, in some ways, I think I got off lightly.

I ended up losing my voice - but not my mind.

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1. Comment #40359 by Logicel on May 14, 2007 at 7:14 am

 avatarMan, I understand. You did fine, the b'stards.

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2. Comment #40362 by tedlove on May 14, 2007 at 7:19 am

maybe i dont know enough about Scientology... but i cant help but feel that it isn't that much more ridiculous than much of the stuff Christians or Muslims believe... am i wrong?

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3. Comment #40366 by John Turner on May 14, 2007 at 7:23 am

tedlove, yeah maybe it could be argued the stuff they believe isnt any more crazy, but the believers themselves are much more intense and creepy, at least when asked about their beliefs.

I wonder why they are so worried about the practice of psychiatry, hmm......

(because they are fuckin insane, and don't want anyone with qualifications to break the bad news to them)

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4. Comment #40373 by mewton on May 14, 2007 at 7:33 am

tedlove, yes any myth can sound ridiculous but scientology seems particularly so. But it isn't so much that it's tenents are more ridiculous than other faiths but the actions of it's members. My only contact with scientology was once trying to read dianetics (which was total crap) but if you look at the groups history they are truely scary. The leaders have been tried and convicted of spying on the IRS and US agencies, the members are taught and commonly use a tactic called bullbaiting on opponents of "the faith". This consists of getting in the persons face and agressivly slandering them to the point of makeing them "snap" like this reporter or to prod them to physical action so legal action can be taken against them. Go to utube or other video site and look for xenu tv, they have recorded this tactic being used on them repeadedly. They truely do seem scary to anyone opposing them. I could go on but all my information is second hand so if your interested you should look into it yourself.

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5. Comment #40442 by Donald on May 14, 2007 at 9:50 am

"maybe i dont know enough about Scientology... but i cant help but feel that it isn't that much more ridiculous than much of the stuff Christians or Muslims believe... am i wrong?"

You could look at: http://www.xenu.net/

Last year I recall seeing more anti-scientology sites when google searching than now. I guess some of them have been taken off the internet for some reason.

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6. Comment #40669 by js5535 on May 14, 2007 at 4:46 pm

 avatarSomething very strange is going on...

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7. Comment #40670 by dancingthemantaray on May 14, 2007 at 4:46 pm

Scientology (and ,for that matter mor(m)onism) are much much more pernicious and insidious than other religions as they are demonstrably false in a way others aren't (due to their antiquity) and are unique in that they are specifically set up by conmen in an (successful) attempt to gain money (at least other religions are based on good honest ignorance!).
Also, the actions of scientologists in particular are very worrying and creepy in a way that other religions act (think poison as opposed to a cudgel!)
L Ron even said that the best way to make a million dollars would be to start a religion!!

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8. Comment #40675 by pewkatchoo on May 14, 2007 at 4:51 pm

 avatardancingthemantaray: at least other religions are based on good honest ignorance!).

Is that why the catholic church is so wealthy then, and that the CofE is still one of the biggest landowners in the UK? Because they are honest.

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9. Comment #40678 by Bonzai on May 14, 2007 at 4:55 pm

Scientology are much much more pernicious and insidious than other religions ..


I disagree. They scam you out of your cash but they have not presided over genocides like the big three. Also I don't think the teaching of scientology is anything close in depravity comparing to the bible and the Quran.

As for L Ron being a con man, well St Paul was full of shit and as was Mohammad.

I don't think the tall tales of scientology are any more bizzare than God torturing his son to death to redeem humanity or angels whispering to Mohammad. Cults are just religion that hasn't been around for long enough. If Scientology and the Moonie Church survive for another century or so they too will become "respectible" religions.

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10. Comment #40682 by dancingthemantaray on May 14, 2007 at 4:58 pm

The difference is that (as far as we call tell) founders of christianity/islam/judaism etc were acting genuinely on their (misplaced) beliefs in an age much more ignorant than our own.
Scientology and mormonism on the otrher hand were created in a very cynical manner to make money, I wouldn't even class them as religions per se, more a con trick- and that is much more despicable.

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11. Comment #40683 by Bonzai on May 14, 2007 at 5:00 pm

How do you know St. Paul was genuine in his belief? Mohammad certainly sounded like a textbook con artist(actually he was exactly like Joseph Smith)

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12. Comment #40685 by BocoDragon on May 14, 2007 at 5:03 pm

Kinda creepy... I looked for a YouTube of this and I noticed people spamming in the comments about a website: bbcpanorama-exposed. org

It's a Church of Scientology puppet website, all ready to smear this BBC doc, and these YouTubers are clearly Church viral marketers or true believers. It seems you can sign up for a free DVD! But I wouldn't get on their mailing list ;)

Their aggressive modern legal and PR tactics are frightening. It's one thing when these forces are selling us Mickey Mouse and Gatorade... but with the lethal combination of religion it's even more effective.

That said... Sweeney did kinda dig his own grave on this one.

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13. Comment #40686 by dancingthemantaray on May 14, 2007 at 5:11 pm

"How do you know St. Paul was genuine in his belief? Mohammad certainly sounded like a textbook con artist(actually he was exactly like Joseph Smith)"

Well....st paul died (in a brutal way) a pauper for his ridiculous beliefs, which suggests to me that he sincerely believed them.Mohammed may well have used his for political expediency, but he could just have easily appropriated directly judaism or christianity. L ron made millions from his works of fiction, clearly not believing a word himself, that to me is more pernicious.

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14. Comment #40767 by Corylus on May 14, 2007 at 11:28 pm

 avatarI admire his restraint ;)

I watched this last night. He was responding to an individual of spectacular rudeness, who persistently interrupted, refused to listen, made ridiculous, insulting accusations and, (in a obvious and crass attempt to physically intimidate) continually invaded John Sweeneys personal space.

(Plus, much, MUCH worse than all the above, he obviously wanted to be Tom Cruise)

I wouldn't have shouted: I would have decked the little toe-rag.

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15. Comment #40772 by Veronique on May 14, 2007 at 11:57 pm

 avatarJohn Sweeney, you are not the only one to have 'lost it'. You are the one they filmed. To say that you were egged along preparatory to the filming is probably a reasonable assumption.

Yes, you can say that you are a seasoned reporter. Yes, you can say you shouldn't have lost it. Yes, you can say you should have walked away. But no, you can't say that Scientology is a nice little sect.

They are dangerous and have big names (even though those 'big names' are merely actors who probably couldn't get a proper job if they tried).

South Australia took an unprecedented action when it banned Scientology in that state. I don't know if other places have done the same. It is a dangerous cult. It subverts minds far more effectively and quickly than ye ol' religions.

Not good
V

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16. Comment #40775 by GodlessHeathen on May 15, 2007 at 12:29 am

 avatarThe Panorama episode is available online for a while here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/default.stm

I'm not sure how anyone could manage "fair and balanced" with a Tom Cruise clone poking at you at every turn. Paranoid and delusional is the only way I could describe that Scientology nutter.

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17. Comment #40776 by Karl Christensen on May 15, 2007 at 12:31 am

I've worked in Chechnya twice and managed not to lose it.

Scary they must be...

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18. Comment #40782 by BaronOchs on May 15, 2007 at 1:04 am

 avatarCheers GodlessHeathen, just watched it. What a bunch of creeps. Also did John Travolta say Marilyn Monroe would still be alive if she'd been a scientologist?! perhaps she's not the only one?

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19. Comment #40835 by Aidan86 on May 15, 2007 at 4:38 am

"South Australia took an unprecedented action when it banned Scientology in that state. I don't know if other places have done the same. It is a dangerous cult. It subverts minds far more effectively and quickly than ye ol' religions."

The Scientology Prohibition Act has long since been repealed here in South Australia.

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20. Comment #40866 by Luthien on May 15, 2007 at 6:04 am

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14. Comment #40767 by Corylus on May 14, 2007 at 11:28 pm
I wouldn't have shouted: I would have decked the little toe-rag.


That is what everyone I know said after seeing it :-)

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21. Comment #41276 by caledonventures on May 15, 2007 at 6:56 pm

Many years ago, early 70's I read the unautherised biography of L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology.

It was one hell of an eye opener, chicanery and fraud are two of the nicest words I can think of.
It was a very disturbing book, one I have not forgotten.
The man was a dangerous nut.

Psychiatric help in a locked unit, was definately needed for this mentally ill man.

One of my friend's daughter was enveigled into the scientology cult by a dishonest Ad in the Employment section of the newspaper.
Her brainwashing started immediately, she was deemed incommunicado, her parents were not allowed to talk to her or see her.
Fortunately there was an anti-cult group very active in London, and the managed to physically rescue her.
After they got her home, the scientologists started with harassing calls and visits, it got so bad, they had to go into hiding.
It took months to de-programme her. It was horrific.
Everytime I happen to see John Trevolting or Tom Cruise in print, I have the urge to vomit.

The scientologists have tried to change their image since the exposure of L.Ron Hubbard, they have not. It is still a very active cult, preying on unsuspecting people.

The fundamentalist christian leaders that are politically active and connected in the U.S., today, remind me of Hubbard. They too, could benefit by spending a few years on the psychiatrist's couch, AND, away from the pulpit!

sincerely,
Scots wha hae

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22. Comment #41292 by Veronique on May 15, 2007 at 7:51 pm

 avatar19. Comment #40835 by Aidan86

Thanks for that Aidan. I didn't realise it had been repealed.

Never the less, it is dangerous, like a number of cults. Remember the Moonies? My cousin's daughter had to be deprogrammed after my cousin physically went to the US and basically kidnapped her daughter out of their clutches.

Cheers
V

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23. Comment #41429 by rabbitpirate on May 16, 2007 at 5:43 am

I watched the Panorama documentary last night and I have to say that I found it highly disturbing. I am also in awe of John Sweeney for keeping his cool as long as he did as I know for a fact I would have been unable to do so for even a fraction of the time he did. That Scientology guy was getting up in his face for no reason that I could see other than to provoke the very response that he eventually, after enough abuse to test the patience of a saint, got.

And to my mind John did nothing wrong with regards to the questions he asked. He never once made a statement that he believed them to be a cult, he simply asked the perfectly justifiable question that "other people believe you to be a cult, how do you respond to that?" Well clearly they respond by attacking the person asking the question. I also found the part where he interviewed the various celebrity Scientologist very telling. Again he asked this, admittedly difficult but, important question and this time the response was to deny him the right to use the interviews. He also asked about their thoughts on Xenu and was greeting with looks of bemusement. The Scientology spokesman even announced that he had no idea what John was talking about and that he was clearly making this up. Are we really expected to believe that someone in this guys position has never even heard about one of the most widely held beliefs about Scientology!?!?! Of course not. They are clearly trying to distance themselves from this, clearly foolish, belief and think that out right denial is the way to do it. At least one would hope this is the case as the only alternative is that these people honestly have no idea what it is the "religion" they belong to actually believes, and that's even more scary.

I was actually shocked by how much this documentary affected me. Last night I had, if not an actual nightmare, an unpleasant dream about trying to save a friend from being sucked in by the Scientologists and about being followed everywhere I went by members of their church. Again I have to say that I have nothing but respect for the way Jon Sweeney carried out the interviews, and that includes his completely human outburst as I believe that sometimes you must face abusive people on their own ground. It was clear that he was trying to be unbiased and was only asking the questions that any good journalist in his position would have asked. If the Scientologist are really so offended by and obviously afraid of this then clearly they have something to hide. I for one wish that the documentary had gone on for a full hour and that John could have had the chance to find out exactly what those secrets were.

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24. Comment #41664 by Lionel A on May 16, 2007 at 1:58 pm

 avatarI also watched the programme and have nothing but admiration for Sweeney's display of calm in the face of the 'Talking Dalek' who kept pushing his menacing face into Sweeney's space.

Also disturbing is the support that the cult appears to be having from the London police in the form of Chief Superintendent Kevin Hurley. He should be considering his position on this. Are there not laws against the sort of stalking that this cult employs.

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25. Comment #192362 by eviltwin25 on June 12, 2008 at 9:44 pm

I wonder if people join esp. people in show business do so to further their careers? I was totally disappointed to hear Jason Lee joined up. Brodie NOOOOOO!

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26. Comment #192373 by black wolf on June 12, 2008 at 10:32 pm

 avatareviltwin25,
that may be a part of it, with their corporate planning and all. Also, note that Hubbard explicitly founded the Celebrity Centers to target and recruit celebrities 'because they were the ones influencing the world of tomorrow'. It's an effective way of advertising any organization or cause when you have well-known and appraised faces to show for it.

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