Furor over author Ayaan Hirsi Ali's visit stirs debate on religious freedom2. Comment #40454 by Logicel on May 14, 2007 at 9:59 am
3. Comment #40462 by CJ on May 14, 2007 at 10:14 am
"She has been identified as one who has defamed the faith. If you come into the faith, you must abide by the laws, and when you decide to defame it deliberately, the sentence is death," said ElBayly,
4. Comment #40490 by posiedon on May 14, 2007 at 10:51 am
If it is found that a person is mentally unstable, or a child or disabled, there should be no punishment," he said. "It's a very merciful religion if you try to understand it."
5. Comment #40503 by JMaze on May 14, 2007 at 11:23 am
Though it is commendable that Hirsi Ali has fled islam and become an atheist there is another problem with her views of the world. She has traded a religion for an equally harmful political ideology. I mean that her fellowship with the American Enterprise Institute a conservative think tank that is in full support of the neo-conservative Straussian philosophy movement is suspect. The problem is that while she is being applauded by non-muslim people she is also helping fuel the political ideologies of the neo-conservatives by giving credence to the idea that all muslim nations are bad. While I think that islam is just as ridiculous as christianity, I also strongly disagree with the Straussian philosophy that religion is a necessary myth for the general public.6. Comment #40514 by Bonzai on May 14, 2007 at 11:39 am
Comment #40503 by JMaze7. Comment #40527 by Henri Bergson on May 14, 2007 at 12:09 pm
8. Comment #40530 by Friend Giskard on May 14, 2007 at 12:15 pm
9. Comment #40535 by NJS on May 14, 2007 at 12:30 pm
She didn't "come to Islam" - she was brainwashed without choice as a child just like all the others.10. Comment #40546 by peahix on May 14, 2007 at 1:00 pm
"One is free to choose whatever religion and body of truths one wants to believe," said the Rev. Ronald Lengwin, spokesman for the Roman Catholic Diocese.11. Comment #40563 by JMaze on May 14, 2007 at 1:35 pm
Bonzai,12. Comment #40574 by CJ on May 14, 2007 at 2:08 pm
13. Comment #40592 by Yorker on May 14, 2007 at 2:54 pm
10. Comment #40546 by peahix14. Comment #40608 by CJ22 on May 14, 2007 at 3:24 pm
15. Comment #40623 by MrEmpirical on May 14, 2007 at 3:41 pm
"If it is found that a person is mentally unstable, or a child or disabled, there should be no punishment," he said. "It's a very merciful religion if you try to understand it."
16. Comment #40645 by Bonzai on May 14, 2007 at 4:08 pm
cj22 wrote:Trying being an atheist in the wrong states and see how far your freedom of speech will get you.
17. Comment #40652 by Stever on May 14, 2007 at 4:18 pm
"Although ElBayly believes a death sentence is warranted for Hirsi Ali, he stressed that America is not the jurisdiction where such a crime should be punished. Instead, Hirsi Ali should be judged in a Muslim country after being given a trial, he added."18. Comment #40660 by Bonzai on May 14, 2007 at 4:36 pm
The C of E looks meek and mild now, but should they ever get real power, I have no doubt we athiests (homosexuals, intellectuals, rationalists, etc) will be in mortal danger.
19. Comment #40662 by jonecc on May 14, 2007 at 4:39 pm
In the article, Zahida Chaudhary claims that the doctrine of the death penalty for apostasy is a radical doctrine, opposed by mainstream Islam. This is incorrect. Although it doesn't appear in the Koran, it occurs in several hadith (sayings or deeds attributed to Mohammed), for instance the quote by Imam Bukhari mentioned above (comment 40530).20. Comment #40666 by Bonzai on May 14, 2007 at 4:43 pm
Actually all four schools of Islamic jurispudence of Sunni Islam agree that apostates should be executed. It is not a fringe opinion.21. Comment #40684 by dancingthemantaray on May 14, 2007 at 5:03 pm
"The Prophet Mohammed was a peacemaker and a role model for humanity," she said. "My understanding is that he was a peaceful person who believed that religion was a choice. He tried to teach people and bring them into it, not punish them."22. Comment #40690 by jonecc on May 14, 2007 at 5:18 pm
As Bonzai says, plus Shi'a opinion is with the Sunni. There are some dissenting voices, arguing for instance that the Bukhari text is a forgery, but they are a minority, and viewed with suspicion by the mainstream.23. Comment #40694 by BocoDragon on May 14, 2007 at 5:38 pm
""The Prophet Mohammed was a peacemaker and a role model for humanity," she said. "My understanding is that he was a peaceful person who believed that religion was a choice. He tried to teach people and bring them into it, not punish them."24. Comment #40700 by MelM on May 14, 2007 at 5:58 pm
A reality oriented independent minded Ayaan Hirsi Ali is thought worthy of a death sentence by a pathetic dogmatist. A moral inversion? I think so!25. Comment #40704 by Russell Blackford on May 14, 2007 at 6:24 pm
The only thing that surprises me is that Haynes is surprised. So many well-intentioned liberal thinkers just don't (easily) get how totalitarian and intolerant religion is at its base, and how much this still permeates Islam, which has never had its Reformation, let alone its struggle to accommodate itself to modernity.26. Comment #40718 by BocoDragon on May 14, 2007 at 7:14 pm
Russell- I agree. My atheistic sentiments were that all religions are equally nutty at base, but my liberalism taught me that they all equally inspire people to be good in our times.27. Comment #40735 by Stublore on May 14, 2007 at 8:31 pm
28. Comment #40739 by chionactis on May 14, 2007 at 9:00 pm
"If it is found that a person is mentally unstable, or a child or disabled, there should be no punishment," he said. "It's a very merciful religion if you try to understand it."
29. Comment #40798 by NJS on May 15, 2007 at 2:40 am
Comment # 40574 by CJ30. Comment #40808 by Luthien on May 15, 2007 at 3:07 am
31. Comment #40834 by CJ on May 15, 2007 at 4:34 am
However I think a Muslim cleric who lives in the US and calls for people to be killed in this way crosses the line from a simple meme victim and I have no problem describing him as an evil person who follows an evil religion.
32. Comment #40836 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on May 15, 2007 at 4:38 am
33. Comment #41245 by mbcraig11 on May 15, 2007 at 5:11 pm
Although ElBayly believes a death sentence is warranted for Hirsi Ali, he stressed that America is not the jurisdiction where such a crime should be punished. Instead, Hirsi Ali should be judged in a Muslim country after being given a trial, he added.34. Comment #41246 by mbcraig11 on May 15, 2007 at 5:12 pm
I also love the girl who said my understanding of the Prophet Muhammed........35. Comment #41378 by Tintern on May 16, 2007 at 3:29 am
"ElBayly believes a death sentence is warranted for Hirsi Ali,"
1. Comment #40451 by ridelo on May 14, 2007 at 9:57 am
A few things that might unite theists and atheists alike:
° Apply the golden rule.
° Discuss on the basis of evidence.
° Accept that your understanding of the world can change.
° ...
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