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Wednesday, May 16, 2007 | Reason : Commentary | print version Print | Comments

Document The stone is cast

by Alan Wolfe, salon.com

Thanks to Florian Widder for the link.

Reposted from:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/05/15/jerryfalwell/

Jerry Falwell spent a career demonizing others. Upon his death, what else could he expect in return?
The Rev. Jerry Falwell speaks during the Christian Coalition of America Road to Victory 2000 conference in Washington on Sept. 29, 2000. Photo: AP/Stephen J. Boitano
One never wants to speak ill of the dead, but in the case of Jerry Falwell, how can one not? Falwell will always be remembered for his "700 Club" comment in the wake of Sept. 11: "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'" Even though Falwell later apologized, the damage had been done: A sacred moment had been used for profane purpose.

And that, really, is Falwell's legacy. To the religious life of the United States he made no significant contribution. But to the political life of the country, he made one: He founded the Moral Majority. In so doing, Falwell managed to take something holy -- one does not have to be a Christian to admire the life and teachings of Jesus Christ -- and turned it into something partisan and divisive. Falwell, the quintessential conservative Christian, was always more conservative than Christian. To the extent that history will remember him, it will be as a politician, not as a preacher.

Even Falwell's political contribution, despite the success of the Republicans during the Reagan years, left a mixed legacy behind. But the Moral Majority disbanded in 1989, prompting the inevitable thought that Falwell's ideas were neither moral nor in the majority. The movement of conservative Protestants into the base of the Republican Party was far too important a task to be entrusted to a man as oblivious to public relations as Falwell. Once the Ralph Reeds and Karl Roves took over the task of blending religion and politics, there was no room for Falwell. Longing for Washington, he had to settle for Lynchburg, Va.

But then there was cable television, the perfect medium for someone as shallow as this man. Falwell appeared so many times on cable news that one tended to forget how little influence he actually wielded. Had it not been for cable television, Falwell would have been forgotten long ago (and I would not be writing about his legacy). He was perfect for the world created by Fox: extremist, polarizing, Manichaean. (The Manichees, a Persian sect that for a time attracted the great Saint Augustine, adhered to a black-and-white reality in which evil was always in an endless struggle with the good.) Five minutes of hate followed by a commercial break: It is not a format fit for all, but for Falwell, it fit like a glove.

Conservative Christianity has been trying to recover from Falwell for the past two decades. Just as his political views were too buffoonish to make the Moral Majority a reality, his religious sensibilities were too shallow to spread evangelical Protestantism. Evangelicalism grew in the exurban megachurches, and the megachurches, implicitly and occasionally explicitly, rejected Falwell's approach to the faith. Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, Bill Hybels -- these inclusive preachers inherited the mantle of Billy Graham, not Falwell and his great rival Pat Robertson. With the maturation of American evangelicalism has come an interest in social justice, environmentalism and peace. The people who represent evangelical Protestantism's future want little or nothing to do with injustice, pollution and war.

Of course America's megachurches offer a thin theology equivalent to twelve-step theology. But Falwell's contribution to American religion was even less than that. Falwell's university -- Liberty University -- never achieved anything resembling serious academic status, although it did produce a decent enough basketball team. Falwell's church, Thomas Road Baptist Church, with its Scopes-trial era insistence on hell and damnation, was not what American Christians wanted to hear. Falwell's 1980 book, "Listen, America," is an embarrassing string of clichés. "Sin is a transgression of God's law and God's law is unalterable," Falwell wrote. "To sin is to voluntarily disobey God and His divine laws." But it was not the sinfulness of human beings that preoccupied Falwell; it was the sinfulness of the country in which they lived: "Sin brings reproach upon a people. This is the reason we are in a nosedive as a nation." Less than 50 years after the defeat of Nazi Germany, Falwell could write of America that "we have become one of the most blatantly sinful nations of all time." Falwell's theology, such as it was, never made clear how America could be both the promised land and Gomorrah at the same time.

Instead of pondering Jerry Falwell's legacy, we would be better off asking how this man ever become a public figure in the first place. America has had more than its share of religiously inspired demagogues -- Dr. Fred Swartz, Billy James Hargis, Carl McIntyre come to mind -- but they are forgotten figures, marginal even to the times in which lived. One would like to believe that the United States has become a bigger and better country since the days when men like them preached about captive nations and denounced the pernicious influence of rock 'n' roll. But then there is Jerry Falwell. In death, as he did in life, he reminds us that demagoguery never dies; it just changes its form. Jerry Falwell expressed great hate for a lot of his fellow Americans. It is no wonder that so many of them will greet his death with something less than love.

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1. Comment #41385 by Simon Quick on May 16, 2007 at 4:13 am

This man puts me in mind of a book I am currently reading by Prof Robert I Sutton of Standford University, namely. 'The No Asshole Rule', with an slightly amended sub-title, 'Building a Civilised World ( statt, workplace ) and Surviving One that Isn't'!
He, as Sutton says, is the sort of person that makes you want to say, 'what an asshole'!

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2. Comment #41399 by Nebularry on May 16, 2007 at 4:51 am

When I first heard about Falwell's death I had a sudden sense that this was a good thing. But on reflection, I wanted to know what "specifically" was it about Falwell that I found so reprehensible. So, I turned to the internet and found a website full of Falwell quotes. There was reason enough and then some to be glad he's gone. Now this article puts all my random thoughts into perspective. The world is a better place without Jerry Falwell.

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3. Comment #41403 by Logicel on May 16, 2007 at 4:56 am

 avatarExcellent--an astute and fair review of the impact and meaning of Falwell's misused life.

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4. Comment #41409 by Dower on May 16, 2007 at 5:07 am

Nice to see a fair and rational review of the life of Jerry Falwell.

And thanks to the vulgar, hate-mongering reaction of the majority of the posters on these boards, I have been enlightened to the irrationality of a modern-day lynch mob.

There was no excuse for it.

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5. Comment #41425 by jayalenik on May 16, 2007 at 5:34 am

 avatardower

everytime I look I see you putting down the people on these boards

do you follow logicel around to kiss his ass

and falwell deserves what he gets

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6. Comment #41430 by anotherclinton on May 16, 2007 at 5:44 am

 avatarThe author of this piece stated that the American people didn't want the hateful rhetoric that Falwell was spouting, but that's hardly accurate. Poor white Protestants lapped this stuff up and asked for more. That's why they made his ministry into a $100 million a year business and why a school like Liberty University has as many students as it does.

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7. Comment #41435 by Dower on May 16, 2007 at 5:54 am

Jayalenik,

So you are into irrational, personal attacks against nonbelievers as well as personal, vulgar-spewing, hater-mongering, irrational attacks against believers.

That is one of the symptoms of insanity, trying to run off in two directions at the same time.



Dower

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8. Comment #41440 by jonecc on May 16, 2007 at 6:00 am

Dower is right. We shouldn't be putting abusive, derogatory pieces about Falwell in these discussions, it gives the wrong impression about us.

So I've put mine here http://secback.blog.co.uk/2007/05/16/jerry_falwell_s_dead~2280161

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9. Comment #41454 by fatcitymax on May 16, 2007 at 6:25 am

Thank you Jebus, you can have him.

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10. Comment #41455 by Logicel on May 16, 2007 at 6:25 am

 avatarjonecc, I get URL not found when clicking on your link.

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11. Comment #41474 by jayalenik on May 16, 2007 at 7:01 am

 avatardower

everytime I look I see you putting down the people on these boards
I dont see how this is irrational
calling me insane is a personal attack

jonecc
We shouldn't be putting abusive, derogatory pieces about Falwell in these discussions, it gives the wrong impression about us.

I am not a we, and what makes you think the impression you and I want to give is the same.

My opinions are my own.

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12. Comment #41478 by PaulVermeersch on May 16, 2007 at 7:10 am

 avatarMay the hateful old slug rot in Lynchburg. Good riddance to one of the foulest sleazeballs in living memory.

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13. Comment #41483 by Dower on May 16, 2007 at 7:16 am

calling me insane is a personal attack

Dear, dear Jay. I didn't call you insane. You applied a factual statement to yourself.

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14. Comment #41484 by Carter Maxwell on May 16, 2007 at 7:16 am

 avatarComment #41440 by jonecc
"We shouldn't be putting abusive, derogatory pieces about Falwell in these discussions, it gives the wrong impression about us."

I don't mind if you want to post it here. I disagree with Dower, and probably because we have a different vision for this website. I don't see it so much as a place to represent atheism to the world, but as a place for atheists to build a sense of community and feel safe is expressing thoughts and feelings that may not be safe to express in the greater, anti-atheist world.

Sure, some of the rants were pretty irrational and hateful, but such venting over someone who has caused much pain and suffering through their bigotry is not entirely misplaced. I am much happier to have people cheer, "Ding, dong, the witch is dead!" than to chant "We should kill that bitch!" before she is dead. Once Falwell was dead, the angry emotional outpourings were not particularly hurtful to him, and the worms will not attack his corpse any more vigorously for having heard our nasty comments.

Granted, I did not read more than a few posts against him, so possibly I missed something particularly vile. Frankly, though, if a friend says to me, about anyone, that they are "glad the *bleep* is dead", I take it less as a sign that my friend is a horrible person, and more of a sign that my friend had anger and hurt that they internalized while the person was alive. I think generally it is healthy to finally let it out amongst friends. If friends and family of Falwell are visiting this site this week, I have to wonder at what they were expecting to find -- songs of praise in his honor?

I can see the merit in the argument for representing us on this forum as respectful and gracious, even upon the death of a brutally immoral man. I too would like it if people could come here and go away thinking how saintlike we atheists are. But I value this space as a safe community forum for atheists more than I value it as a place for theists to come to see how wonderful we all are.

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15. Comment #41488 by Dower on May 16, 2007 at 7:20 am

My mother always told me that no matter how much you dislike a person, when you meet them face to face you will find characteristics about them that you like. Jerry Falwell was a perfect example of that. I hated everything he stood for, but after meeting him in person, years after the trial, Jerry Falwell and I became good friends.


Porno king Larry Flynt's reaction to the death of Jerry Falwell. Seems like Flynt has more decency that a lot of the posters here.

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16. Comment #41490 by BaronOchs on May 16, 2007 at 7:23 am

 avatarDower I'm sure they found plenty in common.

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17. Comment #41492 by Dower on May 16, 2007 at 7:29 am

Dower I'm sure they found plenty in common.


Baron, although I have seen no evidence that Falwell and Flynt have anything more in common than that their last names begin with an "F," there is some degree of probability that you could be right. I base that assessment on the two full pages of legal action taken against clergymen that are printed each month in the Freedom from Religion Foundation's monthly newspaper.

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18. Comment #41497 by BaronOchs on May 16, 2007 at 7:39 am

 avatar2 pages a month good lord! well I was more suggesting they both grew fat off exploitation. I'm not wanting to pick an argument over the wonders of the porn industry though, so in Larry Flynt's favour at least he never expected people to call him Revd.

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19. Comment #41502 by DrShell on May 16, 2007 at 7:49 am

I loathed Falwell, not because he was a clergyman but because he was a vile, hateful hypocrite. And I imagine their common disdain for women would give Falwell and Flynt plenty to agree on. They can both sit on my x-chromosome and spin.

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20. Comment #41525 by jayalenik on May 16, 2007 at 8:31 am

 avatarbaron ochs

falwell also expected people to call him doctor
bullshit credentals from bullshit schools

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21. Comment #41540 by Carter Maxwell on May 16, 2007 at 9:09 am

 avatarInterestingly, Flynt acknowledged that he learned to like Falwell only upon meeting him. It is not unreasonable to infer that, since he hated everything Falwell stood for, he might have said hateful things about him prior to establishing that friendship. And since most of the posters here have not had shared Flynt's experience of meeting Falwell, it is not unreasonable to suppose that their own feelings may have been similarly tempered. After all, Flynt himself suggested that was the key development in his learning to like the man. Therefore, Dower's assertion that it "Seems like Flynt has more decency that a lot of the posters here" is unwarranted and inappropriate.

I probably wouldn't have bothered to point out this baseless claim if Dower hadn't later made complaints about claims made with a lack of evidence. Pot to Kettle: "You are black."

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22. Comment #41548 by Dower on May 16, 2007 at 9:36 am

Therefore, Dower's assertion that it "Seems like Flynt has more decency that a lot of the posters here" is unwarranted and inappropriate.


Given that Flynt has provided the probablity that many posters would like Falwell if they came to know him, it is prudent that the hate-mongerers now cut Falwell some slack.

Including you, Mr. Maxwell. So much for the pot calling the ketle black.

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23. Comment #41558 by Carter Maxwell on May 16, 2007 at 9:53 am

 avatarComment #41548 by Dower
"Including you, Mr. Maxwell."

Wow. The worst thing I said about him was that he was "someone who has caused much pain and suffering through their bigotry". If that makes me a hate-monger (or, as you put it, a "hate-mongerer") in your world, you need to come back from the Land of the Teletubbies and toughen up a bit. I hate to think of the aneurism you're going to have next time you hear a child call someone a "poopy-head".

Anyway, I don't particularly care if Falwell was likable in person. I think people should be judged for their actions, not their personal charm.

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24. Comment #41560 by jayalenik on May 16, 2007 at 9:54 am

 avatarjust from reading this thread i would have to say
very few of the posters here would like falwell if they met him, or flynt for that matter

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25. Comment #41561 by bhyde on May 16, 2007 at 9:56 am

I'm personally sad to see Falwell go. If anything he served our cause as a stunning example of complete, unadulterated ignorance. Every time I saw him preaching it only reaffirmed my conviction that religion's purpose is to serve its leader's financial interests and not their supposed deity. I have to think that he helped many people find atheist through his repulsive, ridiculous rhetoric.

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26. Comment #41563 by jayalenik on May 16, 2007 at 9:57 am

 avatarCarter stop being so tough on the telletubbies
I hear flynt met them and now they are best of friends

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27. Comment #41567 by Dower on May 16, 2007 at 10:06 am

If that makes me a hate-monger (or, as you put it, a "hate-mongerer")



Good eye, Mr. Maxwell, but actually the word is spelled "hatemonger," without the hyphen.

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28. Comment #41575 by Flagellant on May 16, 2007 at 10:30 am

 avatarHere, people, is an answer to the question of the nature of Falwell by contrasting his utterances with Dawkins's writing.

Falwell's notable quote, in the wake of 11 Sept 2001 appears in Wolfe's opening paragraph:
I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'
In an article published on 15 September 2001, [here's the link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4257777,00.html ] Dawkins gave his analysis of the causes of the demolition of the WTC in New York. As far as I can see, he did not heap abuse on any of the perpetrators or their co-religionists. Arguably the most objectionable part of his analysis was his conclusion:
To fill a world with religion, or religions of the Abrahamic kind, is like littering the streets with loaded guns. Do not be surprised if they are used.
A nice contrast, in the way of explaining an awful event, don't you think?

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29. Comment #41576 by Aaron SF on May 16, 2007 at 10:34 am

 avatarNice Artical Mr. Wolfe.

Makes me ponder the moderate religious and their tolerance of this man.

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30. Comment #41597 by vescam on May 16, 2007 at 11:32 am

I am surprised at people that get offended by posts rejoicing at this guy's death.
Do we have to be that PC?
Are we so worried that we may offend people or give bad press to the atheist cause?
Come on, you have seen all the hate this guy spew over the years.
I think PCness is uncalled for in this case (as it is in most cases).

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31. Comment #41631 by Yorker on May 16, 2007 at 12:21 pm

This was a good article, it might cause one to think that comments upon it would be similar, as we can see, this is not so.

When this site first saw cyberspace, I was pleased by the thoughtfulness, knowledge, intelligence and command of the English language shown by contributors. Sadly however, as it has grown, so standards have slipped; this place is becoming like so many others. e.g.

Poorly thought out arguments.
Testosterone-driven angry nonsense.
Silly, distracting animated avatars.
Excessive use of non-helpful swearing.
Endless repetition of old arguments.
Vain attempts to convert the unconvertible.
etc. etc.

There was a time when I looked at the RDF daily, but now I find my interest waning, there's not enough intellectual stimulation for me anymore. However, perhaps this comment will be seen as slightly controversial so go ahead kids, open fire, maybe I'll check in tomorrow and take a look.

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32. Comment #41634 by BaronOchs on May 16, 2007 at 12:31 pm

 avatarSo Jerry Falwell dies and RDnet descends into tussling, is that his last laugh?

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33. Comment #41642 by jayalenik on May 16, 2007 at 12:54 pm

 avatarYorker

Let me be the first to apologize, and I am sure I speak for many others. I am sorry that the site has failed to live up to your standards, and heres hoping, with the proper guidance from you, that we can live up to your expectations

So sorry Jay

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34. Comment #41644 by Dower on May 16, 2007 at 1:06 pm

The whole sorry fiasco is nothing more than an example of the herd instinct. Two posts ("f--k you" and "in the ass") popped up, and the herd took off.

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35. Comment #41645 by jayalenik on May 16, 2007 at 1:23 pm

 avatarPlease someone explain to me why here at the RD site calling god and all of his buddies names with just as much negitivity as some have used for falwell is just fine. I have never seen anyone taken to task for calling god a baby killer. Why is it a character as vile as falwell should have our contempt spared in death or life for that matter. I think that if this was a thread from a week ago about falwell, with him still alive we would hear much worse.

Trying to get back on track, yorker

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36. Comment #41676 by Carter Maxwell on May 16, 2007 at 2:47 pm

 avatarComment #41567 by Dower
"Good eye, Mr. Maxwell, but actually the word is spelled "hatemonger," without the hyphen."

LOL. Funny thing is, right after I clicked 'Submit', I noticed that, too, and thought, "At least I'm giving him/her something to harp on to save face", so I skipped the editing. Glad I could help.

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37. Comment #41679 by Dower on May 16, 2007 at 2:52 pm

LOL. Funny thing is, right after I clicked 'Submit', I noticed that, too, and thought, "At least I'm giving him/her something to harp on to save face", so I skipped the editing. Glad I could help.


Nice little story to save your own face.


Dower

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38. Comment #41682 by Carter Maxwell on May 16, 2007 at 2:58 pm

 avatarLOL. By implying I'm lying, aren't you hatemongererering? I demand an apology. The site's going to hell.

Oops, don't bother -- I gotta take off in about 2 minutes anyway.

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39. Comment #41720 by BMMcArdle on May 16, 2007 at 5:07 pm

Ding, Dong, the witch is DEAD!
No dour commentary neccesary.

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40. Comment #41777 by Beachbum on May 17, 2007 at 12:05 am

 avatarHello everyone, I will say this for you all on this site, everyone is giving this "man" more platitudes than he could ever possibly deserve. My authority on the subject: Raised in Indiana, Backwoods Indiana, then moved to Florida - the "panhandle" of Florida. To say I lived in the "bible belt" would be to forget that a belt needs a buckle. I have had to fight this mans arrogant crap, since I've been old enough to turn the TV on by myself. But, I will say this, "I am sorry that he died". Because, (hold on to your hats folks, this is where the ride gets fun) he died before he got caught with his hand in the sinners jar. Always begging for money and spewing his brand of right and wrong, periodically amended after select court decisions, of course. I for one, wanted to see him grovel on National TV, at least Ball like Jimmy Swaggart or beg for forgiveness like Jim Baker. This guy is/was a pickpocket, as Christopher Hitchens called him, the lowest form of conman, he was supported by the very people that could illafford to support the kids they already had, the dirt poor of the South. They are ignorant, uneducated and very needy, but mostly they are my friends and family. Everyday...every day (for effect) this "used car salesman" of the Televangelist sect would slobber on the inside of my TV screen. My family where some of his fans, for those of you wondering from where this obvious distain comes. Please do not afford this man any Polite courtesy, Political Correctness or whatever you think PC actually stands for, he does not deserve it. And as for this website loosing ANY of my respect, let me set the bar... Beat this one, a little birdy told me that she overheard two worms talking about their cousins in Virginia, and she said that the worms wouldn't touch'em - he was just going to have to Nasty away.

Anyone want to give me odds on his male lover coming out of the Closet on CNN next week? It's just all that hate has to come from somewhere - internal?

This man is proof that Religion is politics, the second tower of power, ask any witchdoctor. As for my passion on this subject, contact me and I will send pictures of the people for whom I am fighting, the children of the south.
Fight the good fight. Beachbum

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41. Comment #41809 by Yorker on May 17, 2007 at 5:32 am

33. Comment #41642 by jayalenik

No need for apology, the fault is not entirely yours. As for standards, they are not mine, I merely bemoaned the decline in pre-existing ones. As for guidance, don't expect any from me, I never give it unless asked and something tells me you're not asking. Anyhow, I don't think you need any, your comment 35 where you mention "trying to get back on track", clearly indicates that.

Incidentally, I despised Falwell as much as anyone as I said in an earlier post, I just don't see the point of hateful attacks upon a non-entity, what's to be gained by them?

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42. Comment #41810 by ImagineAZ on May 17, 2007 at 5:32 am

jonecc,

Yours was actually quite a good (albeit short) tribute. You had me all the way until the last three words...then it got better.

It reminded me of Richard Dawkins ending his Yahweh characterization with "bully."

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43. Comment #41895 by Kakashi_monkey on May 17, 2007 at 9:21 am

 avatarUgh, what a pathetic man he was. Pretending to be so great. I'm glad he wasn't much of a preacher and he made little real contribution. But it's still satisfying to hear he's dead.

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