Thought vs. feeling in religion2. Comment #41451 by NMcC on May 16, 2007 at 6:18 am
"James Carroll's column appears regularly in The Boston Globe."3. Comment #41458 by Pi Guy on May 16, 2007 at 6:37 am
I had to stop after he wrote "It explains the mysteries of life." Huh?4. Comment #41469 by edge100 on May 16, 2007 at 6:50 am
Religion serves two functions. It explains the mysteries of life.
5. Comment #41473 by alfonso on May 16, 2007 at 7:00 am
Must agree with previous comments. First line and it lost me. Religion does not explain anything, in fact, tries as hard as possible to avoid what any reasonable person would call explaining anything.6. Comment #41494 by PeterK on May 16, 2007 at 7:31 am
CJ227. Comment #41503 by Bremas on May 16, 2007 at 7:53 am
For some reason I plowed thru it... it gets better.8. Comment #41522 by TranshumanAtheist on May 16, 2007 at 8:29 am
In Latin America, impoverished people depend on religion for meaning and hope, but it is important that their beliefs not reinforce what keeps them impoverished.
9. Comment #41524 by JemyM on May 16, 2007 at 8:29 am
10. Comment #41541 by steve99 on May 16, 2007 at 9:23 am
In Latin America, impoverished people depend on religion for meaning and hope, but it is important that their beliefs not reinforce what keeps them impoverished. A piety that emphasizes rewards in heaven, downplaying the significance of the here and now, can do this. Fundamentalist religion has such tendencies, and should be criticized for them.
11. Comment #41543 by Mash on May 16, 2007 at 9:26 am
After the second sentence I scrolled down to see if I could have the first go at it, I was too late:/12. Comment #41551 by poppythinks on May 16, 2007 at 9:40 am
13. Comment #41568 by steve99 on May 16, 2007 at 10:07 am
What is an atheist equivalent to 'Liberation Theology'?
how about liberation from 'theology'?
and someone please tell me how religion 'explains the mysteries of life'?????? or 'explains' anything at all.....
14. Comment #41579 by cheguevara1970 on May 16, 2007 at 10:55 am
I disagree w/ the 1st group of bloggers. The author is merely stating that religion TRIES to explain the myteries of life. I do not feel that Mr. Carroll is claiming that religion has a legit explanation for the "mysteries of life." No one does. Either way, I thought it was a great article. I am from Latin America & I have seen the diconnect that the author is referring to in terms of Liberation Theology & the Vatican. In simple terms, the Liberation movement's notion is that Jesus was for the poor, & therefore the churches should, naturally, align themselves w/ the plight of those less fortunate. The author is also right on stating that Latin American religion is political in nature. To cite a great example of my previous statement, I urge you to do a search on Monsignor Arnulfo Romero from El Salvador, & his involvement w/ the Lefties udring the Civil War, which in turn, & ultimately, led to his assasination. I am a Deist, & by definition, I do not believe that the Creator interferes in our daily lives. However, I believe that religion could be used as a political tool for the better of the poor. Also, I agree w/ the author that the Civil Rights Movement in America was deeply influenced by religious notions of justice for defense-less people.15. Comment #41584 by arthursanford on May 16, 2007 at 11:06 am
We should give credit to James Carroll for writing a decent book about the long history of persecution and pogroms inflicted on Jews by Christians. He traces the urge back to the foundation of Christianity and the early church fathers.16. Comment #41585 by cheguevara1970 on May 16, 2007 at 11:08 am
Steve99, I agree w/ your post. If we, as non-traditional believers, or defectors of main stream religions, are quick to dismiss articles like this one, then what does say about our level of tolerance?? To me, it basically states that we are as intolerant as the people we are criticizing. Again, I thought this was a great article that exposes the Vatican for trying to extinguish the flames of Liberation Theology.17. Comment #41587 by steve99 on May 16, 2007 at 11:10 am
18. Comment #41591 by Logicel on May 16, 2007 at 11:20 am
19. Comment #41592 by cheguevara1970 on May 16, 2007 at 11:21 am
Steve99,20. Comment #41594 by cheguevara1970 on May 16, 2007 at 11:25 am
Logicel, all dogma is irrational. I think one of the author's point is that there is use for religion in terms of solving social injustices. He cites the Civil Rights Movement as a prime example. I think we should not dismiss that point.21. Comment #41596 by Lauregon on May 16, 2007 at 11:30 am
Seems to me Carrol did indeed claim that religion explains the mysteries of life. Reading his second and third sentences, my reaction to them was "Oh, PLEASE!" On the other hand, I was glad to see a Catholic speak against the Pope's antagonism toward liberation theology. The Pope's recent address in Brazil left me sputtering and shouting futilely at my New York Times. Bendict saying that material conditions of the here and now aren't "reality" while a supernatural "God" is, infuriated me and sent me into a tirade (with my husband as a captive audience) against the hypocrisy of a Pope living in material splendor making making such absurd pronouncements to impoverished people---or to anyone, for that matter.22. Comment #41600 by BaronOchs on May 16, 2007 at 11:34 am
23. Comment #41601 by Bonzai on May 16, 2007 at 11:34 am
Religion for most people appeals to the emotion. It is powerful precisely because it is delusional, this is a paradox for those who want to replace it with something. You can only generate the fervent state of devotion through something equally toxic and irrational such as nationalism.24. Comment #41609 by Lauregon on May 16, 2007 at 11:47 am
Re: CheGuevera1970 Post #4159225. Comment #41618 by CJ22 on May 16, 2007 at 12:00 pm
26. Comment #41674 by poppythinks on May 16, 2007 at 2:44 pm
27. Comment #41692 by steve99 on May 16, 2007 at 3:31 pm
Seems to me Carrol did indeed claim that religion explains the mysteries of life.
atheism for me is a liberation from the constraints of 'religious thinking'.
i am not on a personal mission to change the world, or convert anyone with 'religious delusions'.
in order to drop the delusions and the warm fuzzy comforting feelings, people need to find comfort in each other. there is nothing else. is that so bad?
28. Comment #41700 by FXR on May 16, 2007 at 3:52 pm
When it comes to emotional religion, the cerebral Benedict is the skeptic-in-chief, with a long history of warnings against the flight from rationality.
29. Comment #41701 by blods on May 16, 2007 at 3:54 pm
30. Comment #41706 by Riley on May 16, 2007 at 4:05 pm
31. Comment #41719 by MAS2007 on May 16, 2007 at 5:05 pm
32. Comment #41760 by mbcraig11 on May 16, 2007 at 9:52 pm
lol I think everyone stopped after the second sentance lol.33. Comment #41804 by rokort on May 17, 2007 at 5:00 am
34. Comment #41985 by Corylus on May 17, 2007 at 12:06 pm
I decided to opt for reading it backwards from the end. It helped a bit...
35. Comment #42676 by Russell Blackford on May 19, 2007 at 3:23 am
Religions are explanatory systems. They purport to explain aspects of life that seem (to many people) to be important and mysterious. That's always been the case. It's also true that they provide (many) people with emotional comfort and support.
1. Comment #41439 by CJ22 on May 16, 2007 at 5:59 am
Just for laughs, I sent the following to the editor:
"Dear Sir/Madam,
James Carroll's article "Thought vs. feeling in religion" lost me at the second sentence: "It explains the mysteries of life." No it doesn't! Even if God exists, religion simply defers the mysteries of life to another level of complexity ("Goddidit"). And if God does not exist, then it explains nothing, and actively inhibits us from finding a more reasonable explanation (should one exist). His third sentence polishes the idiocy to a shine: "It helps overcome life's difficulties." This is a highly debatable contention, and I would be interested in seeing any data he has supporting the theory, but in any case the same could be said of astrology and the healing power of crystals. There's irrationalism through faith, and there's irrationalism through lazy thinking. I'm not sure which is worse, but Mr. Carroll displays an excess of both in his article."
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