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Wednesday, May 23, 2007 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments

Document Gay row US Anglicans miss summit

by BBC News

Thanks to AtheistGirl for the link.

Reposted from:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6680385.stm
Bishop Gene Robinson sparked the row when he was ordained
Two bishops at the centre of divisions in the US over homosexuality have not been invited to next year's Lambeth Conference of the Anglican Communion.

Openly gay Bishop Gene Robinson, of New Hampshire, and Martyn Minns, of the breakaway Convocation of Anglicans, will not be at the gathering.

More than 850 Anglican bishops have been invited to the conference.

The consecration of Gene Robinson four years ago led to a global dispute in the worldwide Anglican Church.

Ultimatum

Canon Kenneth Kearon, secretary-general of the Anglican Communion, announced the two bishops had not been invited to the conference, held at Lambeth Palace every 10 years.

Invitations were made by Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams.

Canon Kearon said the subject of whether to invite Bishop Robinson had "exercised" Dr Williams' mind for "quite some time".

He said: "The primates in 2003 and in 2005 recognised that the bishop of New Hampshire had been duly elected and consecrated according to the proper procedures of the Episcopal Church and it was stated in 2005 at the primates meeting.

"However, for the archbishop to simply give full recognition at this conference would be to ignore the very substantial and widespread objection in many parts of the communion to his consecration and to his ministry."
Martyn Minns broke away from the Episcopal Church
The Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement (LGCM) said the decision not to invite Bishop Robinson demonstrated "institutional homophobia presently haunting the Anglican Communion."

The Rev Martin Reynolds, LGCM director of communications, said: "This is a flagrant example of victimisation that quite clearly intends to diminish Bishop Robinson's status."

"We are deeply sorry for the failure of the communion to live up to its own standards.

"Bishop Robinson and the diocese he was duly and canonically elected to serve have our full support and we believe they deserve much better."

He said the decision put bishops from the US and around the world in an embarrassing position.

"If they accept their Lambeth invitations this might appear to support Bishop Robinson's victimisation, while if they reject the invitation they will abandon our communion to the homophobes," said Rev Reynolds.

Umbrella organisation

Several congregations in the US have left the national Episcopal Church, following the row over gay ordination.

These include the high-profile Truro Church, whose rector is the Right Reverend Martyn Minns, and the Falls Church.

The two high-profile churches joined an umbrella organisation, the Convocation of Anglicans in North America (Cana).

Canon Kearon said Cana did not have recognition as one of the bodies of the Anglican Church and Bishop Minns had not been invited on those grounds.

He said there was no parallel between the exclusion of Bishop Robinson and Bishop Minns.

At a meeting last month in Tanzania, Anglican leaders issued an ultimatum to the US Church demanding an end to the appointment of gay clergy and the blessing of same-sex couples.

US bishops have until 30 September to respond to the communique.

The leaders also announced that the US Episcopal Church must allow members who oppose gay clergy to worship under a newly formed pastoral council.

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1. Comment #43877 by Awl on May 23, 2007 at 3:15 am

Utterly, utterly disgusting. How can these people claim to love and forgive etc etc when they can discriminate against one of their own so flagrantly? The hypocracy within the church is at such an obscene level that surely it can only start to self destrcut now?

What amuses me about this 'controversy' is the fact that within 20 years religious groups will have caught up with the rest of society and will have no problem with homosexuality; those passages in the bible will be conveniently ignored along with the stuff about beating your wife and owning slaves. And Rowan Williams will be vilified by history as a filthy homophobe and sycophant.

Serious, when are these divisive, ignorant people going to disappear and stop having a public influence?

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2. Comment #43919 by mjwemdee on May 23, 2007 at 4:06 am

 avatarI don't think Bishop Robinson should worry overmuch. After all, it's a bit like the deckchair attendant on board the SS Titanic saying he can't have a deckchair.

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3. Comment #43942 by CJ22 on May 23, 2007 at 4:35 am

 avatarI feel a (modest) amount of sympathy for Rowen Williams. He clearly doesn't give a monkeys about whether his bishops are gay or not. Unfortunately, he's honour-bound to represent the zeitgeist of his electorate, the gaggle of bishops he moderates.

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4. Comment #43974 by Titchfield on May 23, 2007 at 5:38 am

I don't see the problem really. I wouldn't invite them to my house, filthy god squaddies that they are. They're welcome to pop around for a chat if they denounce religion though :)

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5. Comment #43978 by Russell Blackford on May 23, 2007 at 5:43 am

Rowan Williams is a coward. This was a cowardly act.

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6. Comment #43979 by Russell Blackford on May 23, 2007 at 5:49 am

It annoys me, in part, because rightly or wrongly I still have some residual fondness for the good old Church of England. I suppose I'm still welcome there, like lots of other atheists (many of them in the clergy). But they will go on equivocating about whether gays are welcome.

Take a stand, Dr Williams. Show some, er, goddamn courage.

Oh well...

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7. Comment #44128 by John Phillips on May 23, 2007 at 11:05 am

A large factor in this is the strength nowadays of the African wing of the church which still condemns homosexuality unreservedly and has threatened to split from the main Anglican church over it before. But hey, when you base your belief on the irrational you will always be a hostage to fortune, i.e. others of an even more irrational stance gaining power.

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8. Comment #44131 by Bonzai on May 23, 2007 at 11:15 am

The Church is like a corporation. It caters to the market. These days the market is in the developing world where homosexuality is still a taboo. But at least it shows that the organized churches are in rapid decline in the industrialized countries. Church opposition to gay right is a non issue in these countries because no one cares what it has to say anyway. There is a siver lining to everything.

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9. Comment #44195 by Shuggy on May 23, 2007 at 3:22 pm

 avatarAwl wrote:
within 20 years religious groups will have caught up with the rest of society and will have no problem with homosexuality; those passages in the bible will be conveniently ignored along with the stuff about beating your wife and owning slaves. And Rowan Williams will be vilified by history as a filthy homophobe and sycophant.

Oh no, they'll rewrite their history to celebrate Bishop Spong as another Wilberforce, the pro-gay things Williams said will be dug up to salvage his memory and Anglican homophobia will be shovelled under the carpet.

Bonzai wrote:
But at least it shows that the organized churches are in rapid decline in the industrialized countries. Church opposition to gay right is a non issue in these countries because no one cares what it has to say anyway. There is a siver lining to everything.

Meanwhile the Anglican church casts a benign/blind eye on the rampant homophobia of countries like Nigeria where government and chuch policies are completely in accord. Williams seems to have decided to sacrifice gay Anglicans and the church in the first world on the altar of numbers in the third.

Where do you send links to get them posted here? I posted this story on the Forum yesterday.

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10. Comment #44196 by BaronOchs on May 23, 2007 at 3:25 pm

 avatarShuggy send them to:

design@richarddawkins.net

Nothing seems to happen if you send them to the other address.

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11. Comment #44300 by yogibear on May 24, 2007 at 6:52 am

 avatarHe said: "The primates in 2003 and in 2005 recognised that the bishop of New Hampshire had been duly elected and consecrated according to the proper procedures of the Episcopal Church and it was stated in 2005 at the primates meeting.

"However, for the archbishop to simply give full recognition at this conference would be to ignore the very substantial and widespread objection in many parts of the communion to his consecration and to his ministry."

So he was domocratically elected, but cannot be invited as he is gay.

And as we all know, if a bronze age text says you cannot lie with a man as a women then we today should persecute people as if they actuaqllt had a clue.

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12. Comment #44306 by Daniel Stoker on May 24, 2007 at 8:08 am

Does anyone know how to go about getting ex-communicated from the Curch of England? I was baptized when I was a baby but never conifrmed. In the past I was content to do nothing about my minimal association with the Church but as a gay atheist, I'm now so sickened by the CofE that I want to sever completely my ties to them.

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13. Comment #44308 by Philip1978 on May 24, 2007 at 8:28 am

 avatarDaniel Stoker, you might want to denounce the Holy Ghost in front of your local parish or something, that one will keep you out of the churches good books forever! Being gay is pretty bad in the church's eyes but insulting the holy ghost is a sure way to really cement things!

Joking aside I think you have already done what you needed to, do you really think having your head dunked in water and some idiot wiffling with a few latin words means anything?

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14. Comment #44309 by BaronOchs on May 24, 2007 at 8:53 am

 avatarDaniel Stoker you can "formally defect". I think you write to the Bishop of the diocese where you were baptised expressing your intent, and they should write back saying you are debarred from the sacraments and may the lord have mercy on your soul, or something.

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15. Comment #44319 by Stuart Paul Wood on May 24, 2007 at 10:42 am

"Canon Kearon said the subject of whether to invite Bishop Robinson had "exercised" Dr Williams' mind for "quite some time"."

Really? obviously not enough to stop him taking a bigot's course of action.

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16. Comment #44393 by Ivan The Not So Bad on May 24, 2007 at 1:40 pm

 avatarI am reminded of my all-time second favourite newspaper headline:

"Bishops Split by Gay Sex"


In case anyone is interested, my all-time favourite is:

"Panda Mating Fails - Vet Takes Over"

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17. Comment #44582 by Awl on May 25, 2007 at 5:04 am

DanielStoker and Philip1978

I was confirmed into the CofE when I was 12. It still makes me cross because no one bothered to explain to me what it meant, it just happened.

Anyway, do you think it is worth sarting a movement to encourage people to formally devorce themselves from a church they were taken into as children? If we could get enough people to do it it would make something of a specticle to show how little we think of it all.

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18. Comment #44774 by Daniel Stoker on May 25, 2007 at 9:17 am

Philip1978, even though I don't believe that the baptismal ceremony had any meaning whatsoever (the vicar could have trickled coke on me and spoken the first line of Moby Dick and it would have had the exactly the same significance), I still feel the need to register a symbolic protest against the Church. I have two main reasons for this. The homophobia of certain parts of the Church of England as well as the Anglican Communion as a whole are my immediate catalyst. But I also wish to express my disapproval of the religious indoctrination of children that begins with the practise of performing baptisms on unsuspecting infants who are incorporated into the Church without their consent.

Awl, I'd be more than happy to start a movement of individuals wishing to sever ties made in childhood to organized religion. There was a story a while ago about the Apostasy Movement in Spain that includes individuals who have sought to formally sever their connection with the Catholic Church. How about a worldwide ecumenical version of this movement? It might spook the churches if they start receiving lots of requests for formal apostasy.

BaronOchs, thanks for the advice. As I was christened in the diocese of Canterbury, I think that may mean I have to write to the Archbishop of Canterbury.

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