I Don't Believe in AtheistsI have seen that it is not man who is impotent in the struggle against evil, but the power of evil that is impotent in the struggle against man. The powerlessness of kindness, of senseless kindness, is the secret of its immortality. It can never be conquered. The more stupid, the more senseless, the more helpless it may seem, the vaster it is. Evil is impotent before it. The prophets, religious teachers, reformers, social and political leaders are impotent before it. This dumb, blind love is man's meaning.
Human history is not the battle of good struggling to overcome evil. It is a battle fought by a great evil struggling to crush a small kernel of human kindness. But if what is human in human beings has not been destroyed even now, then evil will never conquer.
Nothing worth doing is completed in our lifetime,
Therefore, we are saved by hope.
Nothing true or beautiful or good makes complete sense in any immediate context of history;
Therefore, we are saved by faith.
Nothing we do, however virtuous, can be accomplished alone.
Therefore, we are saved by love.
No virtuous act is quite as virtuous from the standpoint of our friend or foe as from our own;
Therefore, we are saved by the final form of love which is forgiveness.
2. Comment #44323 by PrimeNumbers on May 24, 2007 at 11:07 am
3. Comment #44326 by Fedler on May 24, 2007 at 11:12 am
God is a human concept. God is the name we give to our belief that life has meaning, one that transcends the world's chaos, randomness and cruelty...God is that mysterious force—and you can give it many names as other religions...God is perhaps best understood as our ultimate concern...
In Exodus God says, by way of identification, "I am that I am."...
God is better understood as verb rather than a noun. God is not an asserted existence but a process accomplishing itself.
And God is inescapable. It is the life force...
4. Comment #44328 by Stuart Paul Wood on May 24, 2007 at 11:13 am
"Faith is not in conflict with reason."5. Comment #44330 by bitbutter on May 24, 2007 at 11:18 am
God is a human concept. God is the name we give to our belief that life has meaning, one that transcends the world's chaos, randomness and cruelty.
God is perhaps best understood as our ultimate concern, that in which we should place our highest hopes, confidence and trust.
6. Comment #44331 by Cato on May 24, 2007 at 11:18 am
Religious institutions often sanctify genocide, but this says more about us, about the nature of human institutions and the darkest human yearnings, than it does about religion. This is the greatest failing of Sam's book. He externalizes evil.
7. Comment #44332 by FreeThink25 on May 24, 2007 at 11:19 am
"This is not faith in magic, not faith in church doctrine or church hierarchy, but faith in simple human kindness."8. Comment #44334 by Fedler on May 24, 2007 at 11:23 am
This is a favorite tactic of most of my friends that I debate. Hijack the religious terminology, dilute it until all you are really defining is humanity, and then say "a ha!".....it DOES exist!
9. Comment #44336 by military_atheist on May 24, 2007 at 11:27 am
I would totally agree with this article in general principle. I think Chris Hedges is one of those people who, like a lot on my friends, are really atheists but refuse to give up the terminology. Perhaps, in the past, religion and faith were necessary as part of our evolutionary journey. But, I think the human race (some of them) have evolved and grown to a point where we don't need a imaginary force to tell us what we already know is good for our society and our species. We need to do the things Chris talks about without resorting to invoking the concept of "god" or "faith"10. Comment #44339 by bruno_burned on May 24, 2007 at 11:38 am
11. Comment #44341 by arildno on May 24, 2007 at 11:40 am
What a load of apologist horseshit.12. Comment #44344 by Stuart Paul Wood on May 24, 2007 at 11:43 am
arildno - well said!13. Comment #44348 by reason-first on May 24, 2007 at 11:53 am
... runs in a direct line from the Christian Gospels. ... These religions set free the critical powers of humankind. They broke with the older Greek and Roman traditions that gods and destiny ruled human fate—a belief that when challenged by Socrates saw him condemned to death.
14. Comment #44350 by Skeptic Jim on May 24, 2007 at 11:55 am
*smiles and rubs hands together*15. Comment #44351 by newcomer on May 24, 2007 at 12:00 pm
I'm dizzy from reading part of this article.I couldn't finish it. I used to think it was me that just could not comprehend what I was reading but now I know it wasn't.It's just incomprehensible!.16. Comment #44352 by arildno on May 24, 2007 at 12:07 pm
It isn really that incomprehensible as long as you understand that Hedges suffers from the main flaw of all religionists, namely the desire to sanctify his acts of mental masturbation even if that requires the sacrifice of his sanity, reason and humanity and anything else he might deem necessary to discard.17. Comment #44354 by willerror on May 24, 2007 at 12:08 pm
--I think Chris Hedges is one of those people who, like a lot on my friends, are really atheists but refuse to give up the terminology.--18. Comment #44355 by MAS2007 on May 24, 2007 at 12:08 pm
19. Comment #44357 by Peacebeuponme on May 24, 2007 at 12:19 pm
FreeThink25:This is a favorite tactic of most of my friends that I debate. Hijack the religious terminology, dilute it until all you are really defining is humanity, and then say "a ha!".....it DOES exist!
20. Comment #44361 by Bayle on May 24, 2007 at 12:32 pm
I love Sam more and more for his willingness to debate such duplicitous charlatans.21. Comment #44362 by squinky on May 24, 2007 at 12:38 pm
22. Comment #44364 by Duff on May 24, 2007 at 12:40 pm
This theologian lost me when he claimed abrahamic religions freed mankind and allowed them to be individuals. In which one of the mulitiple universes did that happen? Certainly not this one. That's nearly the funniest thing any of these theists have said.23. Comment #44366 by Nick Brennan on May 24, 2007 at 12:44 pm
Rather ironically we have an atheist who thinks he is a theist who doesn't believe in atheists, debating against an atheist.24. Comment #44374 by coretemprising on May 24, 2007 at 12:54 pm
Hedges said: "...It is why Freud avoided writing about the phenomenon of love."25. Comment #44376 by konquererz on May 24, 2007 at 12:55 pm
26. Comment #44377 by squinky on May 24, 2007 at 12:57 pm
27. Comment #44379 by coretemprising on May 24, 2007 at 12:58 pm
Also, I'm with Duff about Abrahamic religions freeing mankind to be individuals. Huh? Ridiculous!28. Comment #44382 by med1972 on May 24, 2007 at 1:06 pm
Aside from his serious handwaving around the definition of god, I actually enjoyed his article. It doesn't reak of christian rhetoric. Sort of a 'breath of fresh air' relative to some of the other trash I've been reading bythe far-right lately. Not that I am shaking his hand or anything but, it is otherwise pretty honest. He clearly states that the problems we see today have more to do with organised religion and it's quest for power in the world. We all have a capacity for hate and violence. That is ultimately the root of our problems. Dogma of all sorts, including the dogma of Stalin or Pol Pot, can bring out the worst in us. Haven't read Sam's "End of Faith" yet but it is on my bookshelf. Have to finish 'Kingdom Coming' first.29. Comment #44383 by PeterK on May 24, 2007 at 1:09 pm
Blatherings such as this one are certainly becoming more creative as time passes. Rather than stopping to think about how their own belief system is just simply has nothing whatsover to do with reality, and admit that this is so--they invent new sides of their mouth from which they can speak, and perform some logical gymnastics and contortions that are becoming so convoluted,( now far exceeding the idea of 'being irrational') that I can only see the point where an invention of an entirely new language where even the speaker himself can no longer understand, let alone to whom he speaks, be the playing field of those who continue the attempts to support a theistic position.30. Comment #44384 by lostpoet on May 24, 2007 at 1:13 pm
31. Comment #44387 by jaytee_555 on May 24, 2007 at 1:24 pm
This guy obviously thinks he's smart, but he's barely entitled to delusions of adequacy! He thinks he has neatly redefined the issues so as to forestall anything Sam Harris can say. Sam will eat him for breakfast. It's almost unfair of Harris to take this guy on....it'll be a bloody massacre.32. Comment #44389 by Oppomystic on May 24, 2007 at 1:32 pm
33. Comment #44390 by peahix on May 24, 2007 at 1:33 pm
peterk, post #30, isn't that what's called "speaking in tongues?"34. Comment #44391 by Hip_Priest on May 24, 2007 at 1:35 pm
I think this guy had better persuade some of his fellow theists that they actually worship a "human concept" simply a "name we give to our belief that life has meaning" before he starts arguing the case for his "god".35. Comment #44394 by Teapot_Believer on May 24, 2007 at 1:43 pm
36. Comment #44395 by Ribbons on May 24, 2007 at 1:43 pm
Hedge states that god is a concept. Yes we know that, and as Freud reminds us, god is an abstract concept devised originally from the individual's infantile helplessness. He then states that "God is the name we give to our belief that life has meaning, one that transcends the world's chaos, randomness and cruelty… it's the transcendence of human existence." Now Hedge relates this to writer Samuel Beckett claiming that he has a "religious voice", but then he goes on to assert that Beckett is a realist, yes he is realist, and therefore this is a complete contradiction, for Beckett is not interested in any transcendent point of reference, not at all, for human existence to be attached to some transcendent signified is a complete and tragic misunderstanding of Beckett's writing. Yes his writing may be classified as religious, but only in the sense of Einstein's religiosity. It has nothing to do with some higher mind or god.37. Comment #44403 by Ribbons on May 24, 2007 at 2:28 pm
Also, Freud speaks a heap about love. Especially in respect to narcissism. Fluxuating between desire for another person (object love) and self-love. He says that being in love involves a sacrifice of the self; a renunciation. And love in this sense works within the ego and superego, where the renunciation is taken in order not to lose one's love of an external authority (god)and this sets up an internal authority (superego) which comes about a sense of guilt. Christ is a superego, and make believes feel guilty, a fear of conscience on major scale.38. Comment #44404 by Wrought on May 24, 2007 at 2:33 pm
There's been about 36 posts since I started writing this, but I thought I'd post it anyway, even though a lot of it has been covered.This individualism — the belief that we can exist as distinct beings from the tribe, or the crowd, and that we are called on as individuals to make moral decisions that at times defy the clamor of the tribe or the nation — is a gift of the Abrahamic faiths.
This sense of individual responsibility is coupled with the constant injunctions in Islam, Judaism and Christianity for a deep altruism.
This individualism is the central doctrine and most important contribution of monotheism. We are enjoined, after all, to love our neighbor, not our tribe.
God is a human concept.
God is not an asserted existence but a process accomplishing itself.
It is the life force that sustains, transforms and defines all existence.
Thanks to our religious institutions and the numerous tyrants, charlatans and demagogues these institutions produced, with so much baggage and imagery that it is hard for us to see the intent behind the concept.
All societies and cultures have struggled to give words to describe these forces. It is why Freud avoided writing about the phenomenon of love.
This god—if you want it named—is the god of death, or as Freud stated, Thanatos, the death instinct, the impulse that works toward the annihilation of all living things, including ourselves.
The name of God is laden
Faith allows us to trust, rather, in human compassion
Only by placing our faith in the tiny, insignificant acts of compassion and kindness, that we survive as a community and as a human being.
dumb, blind love is man's meaning.
Human history is not the battle of good struggling to overcome evil. It is a battle fought by a great evil struggling to crush a small kernel of human kindness.
But if what is human in human beings has not been destroyed even now, then evil will never conquer.
Faith is the sister of justice.
we can never know or understand the will of God.
Most moral thinkers—from Socrates to Christ to Francis of Assisi—eschewed the written word because they knew, I suspect, that once things were written down they became, in the wrong hands, codified and used not to promote morality but conformity, subservience and repression. Writing freezes speech.
The moment the writers of the Gospels set down the words of Jesus they began to kill the message.
Beckett, like the author of Ecclesiastes, was a realist. He saw the pathetic, empty monuments we spend a lifetime building to ourselves.
Those who deform faith into creeds, who use it as a litmus test for institutional fidelity, root religion in a profane rather than a sacred context.
The problem is not religion but religious orthodoxy.
All human institutions, including the church, are inherently demonic.
The more vast our delusions about our own grandeur and importance, the more intolerant, aggressive and dangerous we become.
Faith allows us to transcend what Flaubert said was our "mania for conclusions".
He writes that "Islam, more than any other religion human beings have devised, has all the makings of a thoroughgoing cult of death" (P. 123).
[...] I do know the Koran is emphatic about the rights of other religions to practice their own beliefs and unequivocally condemns attacks on civilians as a violation of Islam. The Koran states that suicide, of any type, is an abomination.
I also know from my time in the Muslim world that the vast majority of the some 1 billion Muslims on this planet—most of whom are not Arab—are moderate, detest the violence done in the name of their religion.
Sam's argument that atheists have a higher moral code is as specious as his attacks on Islam. Does he forget Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler and Pol Pot?
The danger is not Islam or Christianity or any other religion. It is the human heart—the capacity we all have for evil.
Religion is often a convenient vehicle for this blood lust.
Religious institutions often sanctify genocide, but this says more about us, about the nature of human institutions and the darkest human yearnings, than it does about religion.
It is not the evil of religion, but the inherent capacity for evil of humankind.
The danger of Sam's simplistic worldview [...] of the forces of light battling the forces of darkness.
The point of religion, authentic religion, is that it is not, in the end, about us. It is about the other, about the stranger lying beaten and robbed on the side of the road.
We have forgotten who we were meant to be, who we were created to be, because we have forgotten that we find God not in ourselves, finally, but in our care for our neighbor.
The religious life is not designed to make you happy [...] It is designed to save you from yourself, to make possible human community, to lead you to understand that the greatest force in life is not power or reason but love.
39. Comment #44405 by ricey on May 24, 2007 at 2:38 pm
What he fails to grasp is not simply the meaning of faith ... but the supreme importance of the monotheistic traditions in creating the concept of the individual
40. Comment #44406 by hopeful on May 24, 2007 at 2:39 pm
"This individualism—the belief that we can exist as distinct beings from the tribe, or the crowd, and that we are called on as individuals to make moral decisions that at times defy the clamor of the tribe or the nation—is a gift of the Abrahamic faiths."41. Comment #44409 by Jiten on May 24, 2007 at 2:45 pm
42. Comment #44411 by bitbutter on May 24, 2007 at 2:56 pm
43. Comment #44412 by msv on May 24, 2007 at 3:01 pm
God is a human concept.
God is the name we give to our belief that life has meaning, one that transcends the world's chaos, randomness and cruelty.
To argue about whether God exists or does not exist is futile. The question is not whether God exists. The question is whether we concern ourselves with, or are utterly indifferent to, the sanctity and ultimate transcendence of human existence.
God is that mysterious force—and you can give it many names as other religions do—which works upon us and through us to seek and achieve truth, beauty and goodness.
God is perhaps best understood as our ultimate concern, that in which we should place our highest hopes, confidence and trust.
In Exodus God says, by way of identification, "I am that I am." It is probably more accurately translated: "I will be what I will be."
God is better understood as verb rather than a noun. God is not an asserted existence but a process accomplishing itself. And God is inescapable. It is the life force that sustains, transforms and defines all existence.
44. Comment #44413 by Bonzai on May 24, 2007 at 3:05 pm
The church types are often complaining about the scourge of individualism as if it is a dirty word. Now according to the man individualism is a by product of the Abrahamic religions. I am confused.45. Comment #44415 by ryanbooker on May 24, 2007 at 3:13 pm
46. Comment #44418 by Fire1974 on May 24, 2007 at 3:36 pm
Sam Harris has to be absolutely sick of religious apologists dodging his logic and re-inventing a new, completely innocuous god that has nothing in common with the one believed in and worshiped by most of the population. Whatever religious organization Chris Hedges claims to represent would no more identify with his argument than Sam's.47. Comment #44420 by rufustfirefly on May 24, 2007 at 4:08 pm
These "moderate" Muslims look at Pat Robertson and Franklin Graham the same way "we" look at Osama bin Laden and Hamas. Okay. How do those moderate Muslims look at bin Laden and Hamas or the Kurds who stoned that girl to death?48. Comment #44421 by sillysighbean on May 24, 2007 at 4:14 pm
Why is it that I am able to read articles by Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens and Dennent with no difficulty, while reading articles such as this is like trudging through mud? I am truly trying to understand both sides of the argument. Well, Dennent's 'Consciousness Explained' was a tough read for me, I am going through it again, but that is only because I know I am not that smart. I do not get the feeling he is trying to bamboozle me, like some of these other authors.49. Comment #44422 by Russell Blackford on May 24, 2007 at 4:32 pm
Where do you even start with this kind of rhetorical waffle? It seems to be a concoction of all things that sound nice and are likely to push emotional buttons - there is transcendent meaning in the universe, blah, blah - while giving no genuine intellectual understanding.50. Comment #44423 by kaiserkriss on May 24, 2007 at 4:44 pm
1. Comment #44320 by quasarsphere on May 24, 2007 at 10:48 am
I'm no Bible scholar, but I'm fairly certain that's bollocks.
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