Angry atheists are hot authors
The time for polite debate is over. Militant, atheist writers are making an all-out assault on religious faith and reaching the top of the best-seller list, a sign of widespread resentment over the influence of religion in the world among nonbelievers.2. Comment #44439 by OkiMike on May 24, 2007 at 6:14 pm
I'm content with knowing that many of the readers in question are people of faith or people "on the fence" and willing to pick up a book that questions their assumptions about the world. Hopefully this will be a force for good and will open up debate.3. Comment #44440 by peahix on May 24, 2007 at 6:24 pm
"Indeed, believers far outnumber nonbelievers in America. In an 2005 AP-Ipsos poll on religion, only 2 percent of U.S. respondents said they did not believe in God."4. Comment #44442 by blueollie on May 24, 2007 at 6:34 pm
Actually, I think that lots of people say "yeah, sure" because in most communities in the US, that is the "default" response.5. Comment #44443 by peahix on May 24, 2007 at 6:41 pm
blueollie, i agree, but i would also venture to guess that most folks will say something like that at least partially out of fear of some sort of consequences if they *don't* profess belief in god. sure, many may not think about it that much, but most folks have learned, at a minimum, that lack of belief in god supposedly has serious consequences, so they go with the visceral response, assuming it's good enough to just say "yeah, i believe in god," without further qualification or specificity.6. Comment #44444 by PAR1138 on May 24, 2007 at 6:48 pm
The Rev. Douglas Wilson, senior fellow in theology at New Saint Andrews College, a Christian school in Moscow, Idaho, sees the books as a sign of secular panic. He says nonbelievers are finally realizing that, contrary to what they were taught in college, faith is not dead.
7. Comment #44445 by freeurmind on May 24, 2007 at 6:55 pm
As much as I want to see all these J freaks go back in the cave where they belong I wish these books ,and hopefully the ones to come,will spark in many a little sense of reality and get people thinking that maybe what they have been believing all this time,for whatever reason,is not the ultimate truth,ignite the skepticism that lays dormant in all of us and with that bring the debate on a larger stage where ideas can be heard and challenged .I think if we can do that we would have a big impact on the minds of so many people who have been believers until this time because of sheer ignorance,passive ignorance.I believe that many people will have a hard time shaking the rust off their brains but the stronger the shaking the better the chances they will start thinking .For the same reason I think the approach of these latest books is the right one ,playing nice will not get us far.Let's punch the religious bag hard.8. Comment #44448 by ? on May 24, 2007 at 7:18 pm
9. Comment #44451 by atheisticism on May 24, 2007 at 8:16 pm
Asking someone if they believe in god is like asking if they believe in glurk. God has been defined in so many different ways, the question is totally meaningless. What kind of response would we get to the question "do you believe in the existence of anything for which there is no evidence?"10. Comment #44452 by MIND_REBEL on May 24, 2007 at 8:16 pm
11. Comment #44454 by Jayday on May 24, 2007 at 8:43 pm
I am gratified to know that there are people buying Hitchens', Dawkins' and Harris' books. Before the catastrophy of the George Bush presidency and then 9/11 and the Iraq quagmire, I suspect most Americans wouldn't have paid much attention to these authors. Not because they didn't have anything worthwhile to say about religion, but because our world in American was predominantly a live and let live existence. Dawkins rightly characterized it by saying that most religious practice was pretty benign. I may not have been a theist, but if my neighbor was, it wasn't a big deal. However, when our government positioned itself to legislate "morality" and set a foreign policy based on their right wing Christian fundamentalist beliefs, then more people have taken notice! Of course these authors are "hot," and it is a great thing. They are saying what we've always wanted to say but were never motivated. As Dawkins says, we were "taught" not to discuss religion in company. He is absolutely right, there are high stakes, and we shouldn't be bullied into painting a face of false respect by people who are taking away our personal freedom and try to replace it with some supernatural garbage or who paint their idea of a moral world as some simplistic fairytale without nuance and depth. Take away the fear mongers who try to manipulate us and we see the emperor really is naked.12. Comment #44456 by ButteryAtheist on May 24, 2007 at 8:54 pm
Hitchens 'pwns' this Wilson character in their 'debate' at christianitytoday.com.13. Comment #44457 by MelM on May 24, 2007 at 9:12 pm
Harsh rhetoric from religion is at fault? Nope. Blame these instead:14. Comment #44458 by grolaw on May 24, 2007 at 9:25 pm
Consider: Monica Goodling considers herself a "good Christian" while invoking her 5th Amendment right not to incriminate herself.15. Comment #44463 by debaser71 on May 24, 2007 at 9:46 pm
The way I see it is that these articles talk about what's IMO an important topic, ATHEISM! Even though it's full of insults the very fact that atheism is being talked about at all is a good thing. That more people are open to talk about such things favors us. We have reality on our side.16. Comment #44465 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on May 24, 2007 at 9:56 pm
17. Comment #44469 by Big T on May 24, 2007 at 10:07 pm
The name 'Richard' has 7 letters in it. The name 'Dawkins' has 7 letters in it. And, '.net', counting the dot, has 4 characters in it. 7 + 7 + 4 = 18. 6 + 6 + 6 = 18. Therefore, 'richarddawkins.net' = 666. Can't any of you fools see it? We are all doomed. AAAARRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!! We'll all burn in hell forever! AAAAARRRRGGGHHHHH!18. Comment #44470 by Mishakal on May 24, 2007 at 10:18 pm
19. Comment #44473 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on May 24, 2007 at 10:32 pm
20. Comment #44474 by LDmiller on May 24, 2007 at 10:41 pm
21. Comment #44475 by MelM on May 24, 2007 at 10:47 pm
And, if Falwell wasn't enough to make one angry, try Fred Phelps--actually, I think this video is hilarious: Jerry Falwell Split Hell Wide Open. (Select a player on the lower right.)22. Comment #44478 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on May 24, 2007 at 11:01 pm
23. Comment #44481 by peahix on May 25, 2007 at 12:12 am
re comment #20, i just read this debate too, and in my opinion, it wasn't that wilson was a "worthy adversary," more that hitchens seemed to have taken a very lazy/bored approach with his responses. there were many easily dismissable points made by wilson that hitchens simply ignored, which, to the uninformed reader, comes off as hitchens not having any good answers for those points.24. Comment #44482 by Veronique on May 25, 2007 at 12:27 am
25. Comment #44486 by Jesse. on May 25, 2007 at 12:55 am
I just read Hitchens vs Wilson and I agree with peahix, Hitchens seemed a bit bored. I got bored to, reading Wilsons arguments. One passage in particular annoyed me.26. Comment #44487 by Veronique on May 25, 2007 at 12:58 am
27. Comment #44488 by scottishgeologist on May 25, 2007 at 1:00 am
28. Comment #44495 by Veronique on May 25, 2007 at 2:11 am
29. Comment #44496 by scooternyc on May 25, 2007 at 2:12 am
30. Comment #44591 by newatheist on May 25, 2007 at 5:12 am
The Rev. Douglas Wilson…sees the books as a sign of secular panic.
…homeschooling and private Christian schools is raising questions about the future of public education. Religious leaders have succeeded in putting some limits on stem-cell research...
"It sort of dawned on the secular establishment that they might lose here," said Wilson...
"It was just the time…for the atheists to take the gloves off."
31. Comment #44610 by MIND_REBEL on May 25, 2007 at 5:33 am
32. Comment #44637 by Stuart Paul Wood on May 25, 2007 at 6:05 am
Angry atheists?33. Comment #44834 by Mr. Mark on May 25, 2007 at 11:21 am
I've seen a big change in the way Xians converse with non-believers.
1. Comment #44437 by blueollie on May 24, 2007 at 6:02 pm
Who is this clown, and what universities did he go to? No one that I know of thought that faith was dead, at least among the public.
It is true that faith is dead among the elite scientists and is in the minority among the rank-and-file scientists (such as myself).
Personally, I love it that these books are doing so well; it tells me that there are millions of us (in the U. S.) who are fed up by the assumption that all of us subscribe to the standard superstitions.
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