Skip to Main Content (access key 1)
Skip to Search (access key 2)
Skip to Search GO (access key 3)
Skip to comments (access key 4)
Skip to navigation (access key 5)
Skip to top of page (access key 6)
Wednesday, May 30, 2007 | Science : Psychiatry and Psychology | print version Print | Comments |

Document If It Feels Good to Be Good, It Might Be Only Natural

by Shankar Vedantam, Washington Post

Thanks to Brian Coughlan for the link.

Reposted from:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/27/AR2007052701056.html

The e-mail came from the next room.

"You gotta see this!" Jorge Moll had written. Moll and Jordan Grafman, neuroscientists at the National Institutes of Health, had been scanning the brains of volunteers as they were asked to think about a scenario involving either donating a sum of money to charity or keeping it for themselves.

As Grafman read the e-mail, Moll came bursting in. The scientists stared at each other. Grafman was thinking, "Whoa -- wait a minute!"

The results were showing that when the volunteers placed the interests of others before their own, the generosity activated a primitive part of the brain that usually lights up in response to food or sex. Altruism, the experiment suggested, was not a superior moral faculty that suppresses basic selfish urges but rather was basic to the brain, hard-wired and pleasurable.

Their 2006 finding that unselfishness can feel good lends scientific support to the admonitions of spiritual leaders such as Saint Francis of Assisi, who said, "For it is in giving that we receive." But it is also a dramatic example of the way neuroscience has begun to elbow its way into discussions about morality and has opened up a new window on what it means to be good.

Grafman and others are using brain imaging and psychological experiments to study whether the brain has a built-in moral compass. The results -- many of them published just in recent months -- are showing, unexpectedly, that many aspects of morality appear to be hard-wired in the brain, most likely the result of evolutionary processes that began in other species.

No one can say whether giraffes and lions experience moral qualms in the same way people do because no one has been inside a giraffe's head, but it is known that animals can sacrifice their own interests: One experiment found that if each time a rat is given food, its neighbor receives an electric shock, the first rat will eventually forgo eating.

What the new research is showing is that morality has biological roots -- such as the reward center in the brain that lit up in Grafman's experiment -- that have been around for a very long time.

The more researchers learn, the more it appears that the foundation of morality is empathy. Being able to recognize -- even experience vicariously -- what another creature is going through was an important leap in the evolution of social behavior. And it is only a short step from this awareness to many human notions of right and wrong, says Jean Decety, a neuroscientist at the University of Chicago.

The research enterprise has been viewed with interest by philosophers and theologians, but already some worry that it raises troubling questions. Reducing morality and immorality to brain chemistry -- rather than free will -- might diminish the importance of personal responsibility. Even more important, some wonder whether the very idea of morality is somehow degraded if it turns out to be just another evolutionary tool that nature uses to help species survive and propagate.

Moral decisions can often feel like abstract intellectual challenges, but a number of experiments such as the one by Grafman have shown that emotions are central to moral thinking. In another experiment published in March, University of Southern California neuroscientist Antonio R. Damasio and his colleagues showed that patients with damage to an area of the brain known as the ventromedial prefrontal cortex lack the ability to feel their way to moral answers.

When confronted with moral dilemmas, the brain-damaged patients coldly came up with "end-justifies-the-means" answers. Damasio said the point was not that they reached immoral conclusions, but that when confronted by a difficult issue -- such as whether to shoot down a passenger plane hijacked by terrorists before it hits a major city -- these patients appear to reach decisions without the anguish that afflicts those with normally functioning brains.

Such experiments have two important implications. One is that morality is not merely about the decisions people reach but also about the process by which they get there. Another implication, said Adrian Raine, a clinical neuroscientist at the University of Southern California, is that society may have to rethink how it judges immoral people.

Psychopaths often feel no empathy or remorse. Without that awareness, people relying exclusively on reasoning seem to find it harder to sort their way through moral thickets. Does that mean they should be held to different standards of accountability?

"Eventually, you are bound to get into areas that for thousands of years we have preferred to keep mystical," said Grafman, the chief cognitive neuroscientist at the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke. "Some of the questions that are important are not just of intellectual interest, but challenging and frightening to the ways we ground our lives. We need to step very carefully."

Joshua D. Greene, a Harvard neuroscientist and philosopher, said multiple experiments suggest that morality arises from basic brain activities. Morality, he said, is not a brain function elevated above our baser impulses. Greene said it is not "handed down" by philosophers and clergy, but "handed up," an outgrowth of the brain's basic propensities.

Moral decision-making often involves competing brain networks vying for supremacy, he said. Simple moral decisions -- is killing a child right or wrong? -- are simple because they activate a straightforward brain response. Difficult moral decisions, by contrast, activate multiple brain regions that conflict with one another, he said.

In one 2004 brain-imaging experiment, Greene asked volunteers to imagine that they were hiding in a cellar of a village as enemy soldiers came looking to kill all the inhabitants. If a baby was crying in the cellar, Greene asked, was it right to smother the child to keep the soldiers from discovering the cellar and killing everyone?

The reason people are slow to answer such an awful question, the study indicated, is that emotion-linked circuits automatically signaling that killing a baby is wrong clash with areas of the brain that involve cooler aspects of cognition. One brain region activated when people process such difficult choices is the inferior parietal lobe, which has been shown to be active in more impersonal decision-making. This part of the brain, in essence, was "arguing" with brain networks that reacted with visceral horror.

Such studies point to a pattern, Greene said, showing "competing forces that may have come online at different points in our evolutionary history. A basic emotional response is probably much older than the ability to evaluate costs and benefits."

While one implication of such findings is that people with certain kinds of brain damage may do bad things they cannot be held responsible for, the new research could also expand the boundaries of moral responsibility. Neuroscience research, Greene said, is finally explaining a problem that has long troubled philosophers and moral teachers: Why is it that people who are willing to help someone in front of them will ignore abstract pleas for help from those who are distant, such as a request for a charitable contribution that could save the life of a child overseas?

"We evolved in a world where people in trouble right in front of you existed, so our emotions were tuned to them, whereas we didn't face the other kind of situation," Greene said. "It is comforting to think your moral intuitions are reliable and you can trust them. But if my analysis is right, your intuitions are not trustworthy. Once you realize why you have the intuitions you have, it puts a burden on you" to think about morality differently.

Marc Hauser, another Harvard researcher, has used cleverly designed psychological experiments to study morality. He said his research has found that people all over the world process moral questions in the same way, suggesting that moral thinking is intrinsic to the human brain, rather than a product of culture. It may be useful to think about morality much like language, in that its basic features are hard-wired, Hauser said. Different cultures and religions build on that framework in much the way children in different cultures learn different languages using the same neural machinery.

Hauser said that if his theory is right, there should be aspects of morality that are automatic and unconscious -- just like language. People would reach moral conclusions in the same way they construct a sentence without having been trained in linguistics. Hauser said the idea could shed light on contradictions in common moral stances.

U.S. law, for example, distinguishes between a physician who removes a feeding tube from a terminally ill patient and a physician who administers a drug to kill the patient.

Hauser said the only difference is that the second scenario is more emotionally charged -- and therefore feels like a different moral problem, when it really is not: "In the end, the doctor's intent is to reduce suffering, and that is as true in active as in passive euthanasia, and either way the patient is dead."

Comments 1 - 18 of 18 |

Reload Comments | Back to Top | Page Numbers

1. Comment #46154 by doodinthemood on May 30, 2007 at 11:51 am

Was this peer reviewed? Because it seems that nowadays newspapers only take investigations that aren't.

Other Comments by doodinthemood

2. Comment #46163 by 82abhilash on May 30, 2007 at 12:26 pm

doodinthemood has a good question. I wish it was peer reviewed though.

Other Comments by 82abhilash

3. Comment #46168 by Fedler on May 30, 2007 at 12:42 pm

 avatarI believe the study cited which was run by Dr. Damasio at the University of Southern California, was published in a peer-reviewed journal in March, but I can't find the journal name. That same study has been mentioned elsewhere on this site:

http://www.richarddawkins.net/article,1136,Scientists-Draw-Link-Between-Morality-And-Brains-Wiring,Robert-Lee-Hotz-WSJcom

EDIT: I think the reference is Damasio, A., & Parvizi, J. (2006) "Neural connections of the posteromedial cortex in the macaque: Implications for the understanding of the neural basis of consciousness" Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA , pp.vol. 103, no. 5, 1563-1568 from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (for anyone interested).

Other Comments by Fedler

4. Comment #46173 by bitbutter on May 30, 2007 at 12:49 pm

 avatar
The results -- many of them published just in recent months -- are showing, unexpectedly, that many aspects of morality appear to be hard-wired in the brain, most likely the result of evolutionary processes that began in other species.

Why did this come as a surprise? didn't The Selfish Gene suggest the same thing thirty years ago?

Other Comments by bitbutter

5. Comment #46179 by Snyds on May 30, 2007 at 1:33 pm

Isn't it obvious that God made us that way!

Sorry, couldn't resist. It seems to me that the evidence contiues to stack in our (atheist's) favor. If people would simple view the evidence, it is quite obvious where the answer lies, but the question is, how do we get the believer's attention?

Other Comments by Snyds

6. Comment #46180 by blueollie on May 30, 2007 at 1:33 pm

Why did this come as a surprise? didn't The Selfish Gene suggest the same thing thirty years ago?


Surely you jest. Evolution came out 147 years ago and it is still a surprise to some. :)

Other Comments by blueollie

7. Comment #46191 by captain underpants on May 30, 2007 at 1:59 pm

 avatar"... whether the very idea of morality is somehow degraded if it turns out to be just another evolutionary tool that nature uses to help species survive and propagate."

Surely the very idea of morality would be degraded if it turned out to be based on fear of being punished by the Magic Man in the sky.

Other Comments by captain underpants

8. Comment #46196 by Logicel on May 30, 2007 at 2:12 pm

 avatarEventually, you are bound to get into areas that for thousands of years we have preferred to keep mystical,...
________

Preferred? As it was a choice? We came to such conclusions/attitudes based on lack of knowledge. With such advances in our understanding stemming from discoveries in neuroscience and other disciplines, this attitude, that was once held--simply because we did not know what we do at present--should be now regarded as preference, instead of ignorance?

Religion was born out of scarcity of information which science later provided. Our embracing supernatural explanations, such as God imbuing us with the will to choose good over evil, is a habitual, 'wise' way of regarding the issue. How can such habits be replaced with a more learned and informed view? I would love to see before my life is finished, public service announcements on the TV stating that religion is superfluous to the human ability to be moral, very much like announcements informing the public that excessive vitamin intake is not required for the majority of cases, and that the required amount can be obtained through normal eating of nutritional foods.

Other Comments by Logicel

9. Comment #46262 by baal on May 30, 2007 at 5:27 pm

I've just started reading "Moral Minds" by Marc Hauser, so found this article particularly interesting!

Although I think it's important to remember that knowing how different parts of the brain create moral feelings doesn't necessarily lead to knowing how one ought to act when confronted with moral conflicts (and the reporter seems quite credulously to confuse these two things), the research seems extremely important - not just as a possible challenge to Moore's "naturalistic fallacy," but much more importantly as another potentially great answer to anyone who believes that, unless you embrace authoritarianism (religious or otherwise) you are automatically doomed to - gasp! - moral relativism. If Hauser's theory holds, then moral relativism itself (at least in its strong forms) might be empirically disproved; although, of course, a lot of exciting research needs to be done.

Other Comments by baal

10. Comment #46289 by BT Murtagh on May 30, 2007 at 7:51 pm

 avatarWhile I do consider it a likely hypothesis that there's a built-in tendency toward generous behaviour, let's not jump the gun. All this study appears to have shown, from the details provided, is that there's a brain response in a region associated with food and sex. It's a correlation, causation seems very likely, but unless there's something in the protocol not mentioned there's zero proof of it being "hardwired".

Since all the study volunteers are adults, it could be a learned response. After all, there are food responses which are learned; I've had the experience of not even recognizing a food item, presuming it to be garnish. Certainly we can get sexually triggered by stimuli which don't occur in nature - I refer you to a large chunk of the Internets! ;)

It does fit in well with the reciprocity model, in that there may be a predisposition to associate generosity with the prospect of being rewarded with food and/or sex, on a pre-rational level of mental processing. Until there's further study, I wouldn't presume that social conditioning doesn't have as much to do with the development of that response as raw genetic instinct, though.

We are creatures of both genes and memes, after all, so the ultimate explanation of our better natures seems likely to involve both.

Other Comments by BT Murtagh

11. Comment #46363 by newatheist on May 31, 2007 at 3:16 am

 avatar
Even more important, some wonder whether the very idea of morality is somehow degraded if it turns out to be just another evolutionary tool that nature uses to help species survive and propagate.

Ridiculous. Nothing is degraded when attributed to nature, least of all us.

Other Comments by newatheist

12. Comment #46374 by gimlibengloin on May 31, 2007 at 4:07 am

I think this thread is missing the main issue. Even if one could find a genetic basis for morality or altruism this wouldn't provide a reason for why we should adhere to it. Do we assert that the psychopath or the paedophile should act on his urges because we can find a genetic reason for his tendencies?
The point is that the existence of God or the Absolute provides the only firm basis for morality. If our sense of morality is the product of random processes over millions of years or the result of chemical processes in the brain then it is hard to attach any real significance to them. The atheist may 'choose' to be altruistic but he has as much reason not to be.

As another atheist on this site Mr Billy Sands has stated, "I don't believe in an absolute morality"
Regards,
GBG

Other Comments by gimlibengloin

13. Comment #46379 by BaronOchs on May 31, 2007 at 4:23 am

 avatarGimli, long time no see!

Even if one could find a genetic basis for morality or altruism this wouldn't provide a reason for why we should adhere to it.


Agreed, and even if God gave us "moral" commands that wouldn't provide a reason for why we should adhere to those.

I'm not convinced even if I knew there was a hell that I'd necessarily submit to God's mysterious will. Surely a universe in which a deity seeks to get his way using threats and such is already looking like a poor excuse for a moral world?

I might suggest we get morality from the common value we put on life.

All the best.

Other Comments by BaronOchs

14. Comment #46409 by newatheist on May 31, 2007 at 6:30 am

 avatarGimlibengloin -

I'm going out on a limb here and I'll stand corrected by others here if I'm misusing a reference to mutation. I'll start by paraphrasing my earlier quote.

morality is...just another evolutionary tool that nature uses to help species survive and propagate.

It seems to me paedophilia and psychoses (if identified neurologically) can't come under this definition and must therefore be non beneficial "mutations", which would not benefit us as a species. (By the way how exciting would it be if neurologists could rectify these problems.**)

I, like most people, don't need an externally defined morality to recognise these aberrations as the wrong "choices" in human behaviour.

You say –
"Even if one could find a genetic basis for morality or altruism this wouldn't provide a reason for why we should adhere to it."

A genetic basis is exactly why we adhere to it, like the sex drive or survival instinct. And the latter are less (or more) developed in some people too.
"If our sense of morality is the product of random processes over millions of years or the result of chemical processes in the brain then it is hard to attach any real significance to them."

For you maybe. Highly evolved morality is anything but insignificant. It's bloody amazing, like every other natural thing in the universe. In human terms, "real significance" is attached to morality by society. This is the case with or without God, because morality is as beneficial to human beings as it is for ants to rally in defence of their anthill.

"The atheist may 'choose' to be altruistic but he has as much reason not to be.


"The atheist" does not have as much reason not to be altruistic as he or she has to be so (altruistic). Evidence is mounting that "the atheist", like the vast majority of human beings, is hard wired for niceness. (Awww.)


**btw I know this suggestion opens a Pandora's box.

Other Comments by newatheist

15. Comment #46426 by Russell Blackford on May 31, 2007 at 7:13 am

Hauser and Greene are perfectly reputable people who certainly do produce peer-reviewed stuff. Joshua Greene's PhD thesis, which is on his website and will be published in an expanded form by Penguin, I believe, is a wonderful piece of work. I expect the book to make a big splash when it finally appears.

Other Comments by Russell Blackford

16. Comment #46613 by magetoo on May 31, 2007 at 8:06 pm

Sorry about the blatant plug, but Peter Watts deals with the topic of morality being hardwired a fair bit in his Rifters series of books (that I just finished). With proper references listed at the end of the books, too; which might make a decent starting point for further reading.

And they are all available online at his website under a Creative Commons license, for those of you who like hard SF and feel your will to live becoming too strong.


Other Comments by magetoo

17. Comment #46624 by M31 on May 31, 2007 at 9:42 pm

 avatar
The research enterprise has been viewed with interest by philosophers and theologians, but already some worry that it raises troubling questions. Reducing morality and immorality to brain chemistry -- rather than free will -- might diminish the importance of personal responsibility. Even more important, some wonder whether the very idea of morality is somehow degraded if it turns out to be just another evolutionary tool that nature uses to help species survive and propagate.


Statements like this always confuse me. If it's demonstrated that morality is fundamentally brain chemistry (and honestly, I think it'd be a much bigger surprise if it isn't), then that's just how things are. Why does it matter whether or not philosophers and theologians are troubled? Who cares? If they are worried that the knowledge that morality is fundamentally brain chemistry will cause people to act less morally or lose their sense of personal responsibility, they should do a controlled experiment to test that hypothesis. Just talking about it and being troubled by the possibility is useless.

Other Comments by M31

18. Comment #46625 by Russell Blackford on May 31, 2007 at 10:04 pm

I do wonder whether we need the category of "morality" at all.

We have perfectly good reasons, grounded in our natural desires, as modified by the application of reason, to develop certain dispositions of character and try to instil them in our children. We also have perfectly good reasons - from the same sources - to support some laws rather than others. We can ask the questions directly: "What kind of character do I want to have?" "What kind of character would it be good for children to develop?" "What kinds of laws do I support?"

I'm not sure why we really need the category of "morality", with all its implications of something objective or God-given, in order to address those questions. There are perfectly useful ways to discuss what dispositions of character we favour, what laws we support, etc., without talking about "morality" at all.

Or so I am just about prepared to argue (I'm using this forum to kick around some ideas that I'm working on for a paper I need to deliver in a few weeks).

We would still, I don't doubt, want to bring up our children to be loyal, honest, and kind, and to aim at having these characteristics ourselves. I suspect that virtue ethics would largely survive a total rethink of the foundations of what we call morality. And we could still call discussions of all this by the label "morality" or "moral philosophy" ... however, those discussions might take a very different form from what they take in the imagination and language of the average god-botherer.

Other Comments by Russell Blackford
Reload Comments | Back to Top

Comment Entry: Please Login

Register a new account

Username:

Password: