TB and the Question of Evolution
I recently attended a national meeting of biologists, gathered in dismay over the way we teach medicine in the United States, at least regarding basics of biology. At the top of their list was the failure of medical schools to adequately teach principles of evolution. They blamed such ignorance for what we all face now -- an unwanted and dangerous experiment in microbe evolution.2. Comment #46774 by Reg on June 1, 2007 at 2:06 pm
Oops sorry, I left out - or herself.3. Comment #46783 by bornabaptist on June 1, 2007 at 3:18 pm
Evolutionary Biology should become a required academic class in every U.S. university. I am a physician and do not remember ever studying the subject in elementary, secondary, university or medical school. I knew about the theory but it was not until I read The Selfish Gene that I understood and appreciated the elegance and truth of Darwin (and R. Dawkins). I know, I have led a sheltered life. It is what it is in middle America, truth is something you have to seek for yourself.4. Comment #46790 by maton100 on June 1, 2007 at 4:12 pm
5. Comment #46800 by roach on June 1, 2007 at 5:10 pm
I agree with bornabaptist.6. Comment #46802 by BAEOZ on June 1, 2007 at 5:41 pm
7. Comment #46804 by Duff on June 1, 2007 at 5:47 pm
If anyone out there thinks the Brownback pablum published in the New York Times is an innocent attempt to smooth over the "innocuous division" between religion and science, they should think again. Drug resistant bacteria will eventually be controlled, if science is allowed free reign, but if religious ideologues like Brownback are voted into office, science will be brought to heel by the religious who want it to conform to their simplistic concepts and any research that is"evolutionarily tainted" will end. Never miss an opportunity to confront an iron age wanker!8. Comment #46811 by Dr Benway on June 1, 2007 at 7:02 pm
9. Comment #46816 by BAEOZ on June 1, 2007 at 7:34 pm
You don't have to be an evolutionary biologist to understand how antibiotics and other interventions pressure infectious organisms over time. You just have to think like a bug, and you need to understand the host-parasite environment.
10. Comment #46819 by Dr Benway on June 1, 2007 at 7:59 pm
11. Comment #46821 by steveroot on June 1, 2007 at 8:15 pm
12. Comment #46826 by BAEOZ on June 1, 2007 at 9:31 pm
13. Comment #46844 by Lagomort on June 1, 2007 at 11:57 pm
None of this is going to change the mind of a creationist. They believe this is still well within "Kind" microevolution. If one wants to try and show evolution to a fundamentalist, you need a lot more than the above...14. Comment #46944 by CJ on June 2, 2007 at 10:30 am
15. Comment #46982 by roach on June 2, 2007 at 2:16 pm
I saw a funny line about micro/macroevolution once. It went something like this:16. Comment #46987 by Nails on June 2, 2007 at 2:38 pm
17. Comment #46991 by denoir on June 2, 2007 at 2:44 pm
18. Comment #47006 by Friggertool on June 2, 2007 at 5:03 pm
19. Comment #47038 by Lagomort on June 2, 2007 at 10:37 pm
Some of you still don't seem to get it (others obviously do).20. Comment #47156 by jvc on June 3, 2007 at 7:42 am
"Blah, Blah Blah, Ginger!"21. Comment #47161 by Dr Benway on June 3, 2007 at 8:45 am
You have to show something they consider one "Kind" breaking away and becoming another "Kind". If you do not show them that, then everything you say is just, "Blah, Blah Blah, Ginger!" to them...We see species. But if we could see everything that ever lived, we'd see a continuum of life rather than discrete kinds of life.
22. Comment #47164 by Logicel on June 3, 2007 at 9:26 am
23. Comment #47169 by Lagomort on June 3, 2007 at 9:40 am
Dr. Benway,24. Comment #47170 by Corylus on June 3, 2007 at 9:41 am
25. Comment #47177 by Logicel on June 3, 2007 at 10:38 am
26. Comment #47183 by Lagomort on June 3, 2007 at 11:06 am
Diarthrognathus is actually known as Pachygenelius now, and yes, it is a great example of an obvious transitional. So are the Morganucodontids that are usually placed under Mammaliformes for reasons that still confuse me. Thrinaxodon is one of my favorites for a form that is obviously basal to both if we are going by implied trend, but, though there are almost endless such examples, there are a few problems...27. Comment #47185 by Logicel on June 3, 2007 at 11:18 am
28. Comment #47186 by Logicel on June 3, 2007 at 11:23 am
29. Comment #47188 by Dr Benway on June 3, 2007 at 11:42 am
What's wrong with being ginger??It's a Far Side cartoon reference. I googled for a link to the cartoon, but no go. However I ran across this bit from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Far_Side that I must share, although it pertains to nothing:
As the two cartoons The Far Side and Dennis the Menace were published side by side, the captions were mixed up on several occasions, to what Larson believes to be both positive but most bizarre results. One is when three snakes are sitting down to dinner, when the youngest one complains "Not Hamsters Again!" This however was printed underneath the DTM cartoon, which portrayed Dennis and his friend eating sandwiches, while his mother is busy on the phone with the caption being "Lucky I learnt how to make peanut butter sandwiches or we would have starved to death by now," which was to appear as the Far Side's caption.
What you are referring to is geographical variations within a cline.I'm saying that the distinctions between species would look as fuzzy as variations within a cline if we could view all of life, past and present, at once. Once we've mapped the genomes of most known species, we'll see the degrees of relationship clearly and the continuum of life will be undeniable.
30. Comment #47194 by Lagomort on June 3, 2007 at 12:19 pm
"Damg, can't the taxonomists leave a great name alone? Is it still Pachygenelius broomi? "31. Comment #47196 by Lagomort on June 3, 2007 at 12:29 pm
"Natural selection is a general, self-evident, explanation for phenotypic changes observed over time. The distinction between big changes and little changes is arbitrary and indefensible. Many little changes will eventually add up to big changes. How can things be otherwise?"32. Comment #48014 by Oldchemist on June 6, 2007 at 9:24 am
In relation to the malaria story, it's interesting that our life-style generates new niches for infections to develop and spread. On long-haul flights you sit nearer to other people and for a longer period than you do in cinemas, buses or trains. The Cholera pandemic of the late 1820s and early 1830s arrived in England by sailing ship after crossing Asia and Europe at walking speed. Now it would arrive in a jumbo jet in a few hours.This article is reposted from a website that accepts comments.
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1. Comment #46771 by Reg on June 1, 2007 at 2:02 pm
It is more than likely that the guard is himself an anti-evolutionist.Other Comments by Reg