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Tuesday, June 5, 2007 | Reason : Political | print version Print | Comments

Document Sen. Clinton: Faith got me through marital strife

by CNN

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contenders• Democratic presidential candidates discuss religion at evangelical forum
• Clinton: "I'm not sure I would have gotten through" marital strife without faith
• "I sin every single day," says Edwards. "We are all sinners"
• Obama says there is a risk in viewing the world as good versus evil

WASHINGTON (AP) -- In a rare public discussion of her husband's infidelity, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said Monday that she probably could not have gotten through her marital troubles without relying on her faith in God.

Clinton stood by her actions in the aftermath of former President Clinton's admission that he had an affair, including presumably her decision to stay in the marriage.

"I am very grateful that I had a grounding in faith that gave me the courage and the strength to do what I thought was right, regardless of what the world thought," Clinton said during a forum where the three leading Democratic presidential candidates talked about faith and values. (Watch Clinton and other candidates talk about how their faith guides them )

"I'm not sure I would have gotten through it without my faith," she said in response to a question about how she dealt with the infidelity.

The forum, sponsored by the liberal Sojourners/Call to Renewal evangelical organization, provided an uncommon glimpse into the most personal beliefs of Clinton and rivals John Edwards and Barack Obama. The three candidates were invited by Sojourners founder Jim Wallis; most of the other Democratic candidates appeared on CNN later Monday to discuss their faith.

The most intimate question came about the Clintons' relationship, one of the world's most debated marriages but one that the husband and wife rarely speak openly about.

Clinton said she's "been tested in ways that are both publicly known and those that are not so well known or not known at all." She said it's those times when her personal faith and the prayers of others sustain her. (Watch Clinton talk about how God helped her through tough times )

"At those moments in time when you are tested, it is absolutely essential that you be grounded in your faith," she said.

Edwards: 'I sin every single day'

Edwards revealed that he prays -- and sins -- every day. The crowd gasped loudly when moderator Soledad O'Brien asked Edwards to name the biggest sin he ever committed, and he won their applause when he said he would have a hard time naming one thing.

"I sin every single day," said Edwards, the 2004 vice presidential nominee. "We are all sinners and we all fall short."

Edwards, wearing a purple tie to match Sojourners' signature color, promoted himself as the candidate most committed to the group's mission of fighting poverty. He said he doesn't feel his belief in evolution is inconsistent with his belief in Christ and he doesn't personally feel gays should be married, although as president he wouldn't impose his belief system on the rest of the country.

"I have a deep and abiding love for my Lord, Jesus Christ," Edwards said, but he said the United States shouldn't be called a Christian nation.

He said he has been going to church since he was a child and was baptized as a teen. He said he strayed from his faith as an adult and it came "roaring back" when his teenage son died in 1996. (Watch Edwards talk about his religious beliefs and how they play a role in his life )

"It was the Lord that got me through that," Edwards said, along with both of his wife's cancer diagnoses.

Clinton acknowledged that talking about her religious beliefs doesn't come naturally to her.

"I take my faith very seriously and very personally," she said. "And I come from a tradition that is perhaps a little too suspicious of people who wear their faith on their sleeves."

Each candidate was given 15 minutes to appear before the packed auditorium at George Washington University's Lisner Auditorium and a live audience on CNN. They were questioned by O'Brien and by church leaders across the country.

Good verses evil

Obama's appearance focused more on policy than the personal. Asked whether he agreed with President Bush's portrayal of the current global struggles in terms of good verses evil, Obama said there is a risk in viewing the world in such terms. (Watch Obama talk about the risks of viewing the world as a battle between good and evil )

He said he believes that the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, were the result of evil. But he said that the United States' treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay is unjust.

"The danger of using good verses evil in the context of war is that it may lead us to be not as critical as we should about our own actions," Obama said to applause.

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1. Comment #47864 by Roland Deschain on June 5, 2007 at 8:34 pm

Now the real question is, which one of them (if any) is faking blind faith so as to have a realistic chance at the presidency?

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2. Comment #47865 by joekoz451 on June 5, 2007 at 8:44 pm

Does the word "pander" ring a bell?

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3. Comment #47866 by MIND_REBEL on June 5, 2007 at 8:45 pm

 avatarGreat, another religious nutjob.

Faith is the great cop-out. Her mentioning it is destroying whatever credibility she had as being a rational, educated, progressive person.

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4. Comment #47871 by BAEOZ on June 5, 2007 at 8:57 pm

 avatarIf faith keeps you married to ol' Billy pants down. I'm not sure she can claim it helped her...

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5. Comment #47873 by Sancus on June 5, 2007 at 9:34 pm

The crowd gasped loudly when moderator Soledad O'Brien asked Edwards to name the biggest sin he ever committed, and he won their applause when he said he would have a hard time naming one thing.

I suddenly have enormous respect for Soledad O'Brien. Edwards is sickly proud of his sinning, like most religious people, and it's only natural to think he'd be eager to reveal his greatest sin -- which might be, incidentally, that he's a twisted ignoramus who's proud of his sinning.

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6. Comment #47874 by Roy_H on June 5, 2007 at 9:47 pm

 avatarWhat did you do Hillary,whack him in the balls with the bible?

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7. Comment #47877 by Prieten on June 5, 2007 at 9:57 pm

Edwards's faith came "roaring back" when his teenage son died, when his wife was diagnosed with cancer? Sounds to me that he was under duress and wasn't able to think rationally. Does he thank God for killing his son? Did he send his wife to church for prayer healing or did he send her to the hospital?

It reminds me of the argument my Catholic mother always tried on me: John Wayne converted on his deathbed...(appeal to authority?) My answer, was easy: sounds like he was under a bit of duress, facing death's door.

As for Hillary Clinton, I suspect she and her hubby know they have/had to pay lip-service to the religious crowd. They would be unelectable if they said they were atheists. I'm voting for her anyway.

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8. Comment #47885 by petermun on June 5, 2007 at 11:56 pm

So there were two women down on their knees for Billy boy.

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9. Comment #47886 by Philip1978 on June 5, 2007 at 11:59 pm

 avatarRoy_H lets hope she used one of the heavier editions!
Prieten and all Americans, I wish you the best of luck in voting, I would not have a clue! Then again I don't have a clue who to vote for over here in England either!
I will never understand how faith can get people through tragedy, it reminds me so much like Stockholm Syndrome in the way their god can keep kicking them only for them to say how much they love him.

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10. Comment #47893 by Logicel on June 6, 2007 at 12:51 am

 avatarI watched the clip. A woman in the audience asked Edwards how did he know that the voice he was hearing was God talking to him, or Edwards' own. In true, well honed political waffle, Edwards answered without really answering.

None of the experiences which not only tested their faith but about which their faith also provided solutions, are unknown for the majority of people. In my own life, when such experiences occur, what grounds me is reality. I suppose one can call it comparative reality. Collectively, we experience much of the same anguish, pain, and disappointments. If I was the only one who has ever experienced these difficult situations, I would feel quite persecuted and unhappy, but it is just life, itself, that needs to be taken in stride by simply accepting it in all of its joys and pains.

What does faith in a supernatural being have to do with any of the difficulties we all go through? Acceptance of reality allows us to continue finding solutions, adapting to change, etc.

No faith in god is needed for that necessary response. Reminds me of the elaborate process that parents go through in denying the reality/truth that it is the parents, themselves, who love their children, and therefore, spend time and money buying Christmas presents, not Santa Claus. It was Edwards and Clinton, who solved their own problems, most likely with the help and knowledge gotten from experience contributed by friends, which aided them, and they need to emphasize that aspect because that is what is effective in confronting difficulty.

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11. Comment #47895 by Philip1978 on June 6, 2007 at 1:08 am

 avatarLogicel, thank you for that post, I think you have captured it brilliantly. It is just life isn't it!

Speaking of which, yet changing the subject totally and being my usual silly self, how is your husband and his trousers? Its bloody cold where I am sitting, June is not behaving itself in the slightest!

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12. Comment #47901 by Logicel on June 6, 2007 at 2:02 am

 avatarWell, Philip1978, when I first married into the Trousers religion I had no idea how complicated and varied its rituals are.

I spent almost an entire week hunting down a pair of my husband's trousers, a pink job splashed with yellow and purple circles, with deep pleats of orange. I had loaned it to one of our friends who does the clown-for-kiddie-birthday-parties circuit. Well, that bloke was on holiday in some Trouser-forsaken place. When I was finally re-united with these trousers, they were covered with ice cream and gooey melted candied stuff. I have just finished washing and pressing them so my husband can now attend a funeral.

Yes, those are the special trousers that his Trousers religion insists on his wearing to funerals. Such a special religion. Anyway, he is all psyched up to take in stride the horrendous and intolerant abuse the people at the wake will hurl in his direction for not wearing black trousers. Other religious people are so close minded!

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13. Comment #47902 by Logicel on June 6, 2007 at 2:10 am

 avatarAnd Philip1978, as for the rather arbitrary edict of the Trousers religion in insisting that trousers are not worn for the month of June, some parish priests, like ours, allow the wearing of furry trousers on cold days in the month of June.

I almost want to convert to my husband's religion. I love when our cats sleep on my lap, and during cold days in June, our cats both choose to sleep on his gussied up, furry lap. I am really jealous.

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14. Comment #47907 by CJ on June 6, 2007 at 2:36 am

 avatarFaith. Guiding our Votes
Is it only me or is the banner heading creepy? Any politician who stood in front of a banner like that in mainland UK would be politely treated like a mostly harmless misguided nutter. It's the ingrained acceptance of the god delusion in the USA that I have the greatest difficulty in understanding. I suppose I'm just fortunate that I haven't been subjected to a lifetime of propaganda. That some of these people can get to the point of sitting in the White House is utterly absurd. Personally I think Hillary is the least worst candidate in part because at the end of the day she stuck by Billy boy when all around were baying for his blood.

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15. Comment #47908 by Philip1978 on June 6, 2007 at 2:44 am

 avatarI thought June wasn't behaving itself here in England but obviously religious people always go one further every time! Why wear black trousers for goodness sake, its so dreary!

I wish to offer my heartiest congratulations to your husband, I can see the hoopy frood clearly knows where his towel is! I am not usually inclined to encourage religious practises but on this occasion I can see your husband is a man of true conviction and honesty.

Don't be jealous of the cats, I am sure there are times when his lap is free!

From his example I see there is actually hope out there for me yet! If I can find myself an equally wonderful and understanding lady who is prepared to cope with such wisdom and intellect then surely there is someone out there for me too, will just have to keep looking! :)

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16. Comment #47910 by mmurray on June 6, 2007 at 2:50 am

 avatarA pity they couldn't find the courage to say that their faith was their own business. By pandering like this they further erode the already flimsy division between religion and state.


Michael

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17. Comment #47924 by CJ22 on June 6, 2007 at 4:02 am

 avatarI too feel Clinton is the least worst candidate, largely because she is clearly lying through her teeth to curry favour. I'd prefer a hypocritical secularist to a sincere faith-head anyday. Clinton might pay lip-service to 'faith' but she's unlikely to kick-off any armageddons because God told her to.

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18. Comment #47962 by kevolved on June 6, 2007 at 6:26 am

 avatarI plan on voting for a 3rd party candidate, hopefully they don't feel the need to kiss up to religious types.

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19. Comment #47974 by heathen2 on June 6, 2007 at 7:23 am

 avatarIt's sickening how these candidates are pandering to faith. Can't just one of of these people running be honest and say they don't believe? I guess that would not work, as they will have to go out of their way to convince the country that they have good values and are moral and ethical, etc. Actually they may not be able to convince people at all or become marginalized.
Edwards looked the most uncomfortable, trying to reconcile his constant blatherings about his faith and evolution. And from what I saw of the clips, Obama at least spoke to the issues of good vs evil and that it is the wrong way to view the war or any war. It's too bad he became christian after being raised by an agnostic mother. Clinton, I don't know what to think. Is it wishfiul thinking to say that she was being expedient in her discussion and that was all?
I'll vote Democrat, but I don't know who at this point because I find this faith talk from them very disturbing.

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20. Comment #47982 by heathen2 on June 6, 2007 at 7:43 am

 avatarBy the way, I wanted to express my appreciation to people who post at this site. I have been reading for some time, but just recently and timidly posted myself.
Many of you are so eloquent, obviously well read and thoughtful. I love the sarcasm and humor in all it's forms. I think having humor to soothe me in these time of blatant faith as expressed politicians and as part of our culture is one of the few things that helps me cope. But I digress from the topic...sorry.

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21. Comment #47985 by Dr Benway on June 6, 2007 at 7:51 am

 avatarEdwards:
...the United States shouldn't be called a Christian nation.
Well, that's refreshing. Although Edwards' confession that he sins every day is just the sort of public masochism I don't want in a president.

No one seriously interested in getting elected is going to deny a belief in God. But people are tired of the constant political pandering to the religious right. The first candidate to push secularism in a passionate way could stand out from the pack of suck-ups. The second and third candidates on the side of secularism will seem more like followers than leaders.

Someone check in with Obama's speech writers. Of the lot, I think he could champion secularism most convincingly.

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22. Comment #47988 by konquererz on June 6, 2007 at 7:56 am

 avatarI find it more than a bit disturbing that our supposed "liberal" party is now going the faith route too. Great, lets all just believe in an invisible sky daddy! And while we are at it, hey, lets go to war over falsified evidence, and let the government spy on our every phone call, credit card transaction, and track our car movements with gps! Christ on a stick!

What ever happened to the great "liberal conspiracy" in the US that republicans are always talking about? Liberals are dropping like flies in this country and even the term liberal is a bad word now! Hilary Clinton and John Edwards, YOU SUCK! Shame on you for your pathetic pandering to the right wing! You had the right path, being honest, and shouting your views from the hill tops, then you fell back on god. You had two have set back liberal politics by years with this shit!

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23. Comment #47990 by CJ22 on June 6, 2007 at 8:05 am

 avatar"Of the lot, I think he could champion secularism most convincingly."

Yes he probably could, but I think he already has enough 'handicaps' on his plate to attempt secularity as well. So does Clinton. They'd both be historic 'firsts' if they go all the way as it is. They certainly don't want to add to that challenge by adding burdens they can easily skip with the judicious use of a little hypocracy. Hypocracy is, after all, part of a politician's toolkit, and they'll use it without the revulsion us lesser mortals feel.

America is NOT going to vote for a secularist. Not this time round. Not yet. They'd vote for a kiddy-fiddler first.

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24. Comment #47998 by graham513 on June 6, 2007 at 8:27 am

I look at this election as a great step for the US. Just the fact that Obama and Clinton are both running and gaining momentum shows this country is finally open to some change. Gotta take baby steps. We will have our secular president one day.

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25. Comment #48001 by RabbitDynamite on June 6, 2007 at 8:33 am

Well, Obama trying to say the absolute minimum possible regarding religion is a good sign. Usually whe a politician does that, it means they're trying to avoid a vote-killing staement without lying. Since atheism/secularism would be the biggest vote killer of the lot in the US, I'm inclined to think Obama, though not an atheist, would at least not be at the beck and call of the "moral majority".

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26. Comment #48030 by happyatheist on June 6, 2007 at 10:46 am

I actually watched both the debates (Dem and Rep)...and found them fairly predictable (Guiliani being picked on for being pro-choice...Romney being called a flip-flopper for voting along with Democrats...Clinton being chastised for voting for the war in Iraq...etc.). I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but in the follow-up to CNN's segment on faith and politics, prez candidate Joe Biden said (and I'm paraphrasing) he welcomed the faith-based questions because "otherwise the Democrats come off as a bunch of agnostics." I think he spoke volumes with that statement. Hell...I think he may actually BE agnotic. LOL!

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27. Comment #48042 by Big T on June 6, 2007 at 11:27 am

They have to say that stuff to get elected. Probably all 3 are lying, at least to some extent, about their real beliefs. If we get either a black or female president, that will be enough of a miracle to make me believe in God. An (avowed) atheist president I may not live long enough to see.

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28. Comment #48137 by Salvatore on June 6, 2007 at 6:17 pm

 avatarCan we file a Freedom of Information request to get a list of John Edward's daily sins?

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29. Comment #48139 by Salvatore on June 6, 2007 at 6:24 pm

 avatarP.S.

There IS some progress: at least we have a John Edwards who commits ACTUAL sins, instead of a Jimmy Carter who just sinned "in his heart many times."*

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* Sorry, you have to be American and probably over 40 to get it, but, trust me, I'm really quite witty.

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30. Comment #48287 by Galactic Lord Xenu on June 7, 2007 at 10:26 am

 avatarIt's a shame that the least religious candidates are the Democrats. I'm still going with Ron Paul, though.

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31. Comment #48302 by happyatheist on June 7, 2007 at 11:12 am

Ron Paul is a breath of fresh air in these debates. LOL! He's the main reason I watch the Republicans at all. Sure, as with any debate, it's good to hear "both or all sides"...but in the end...I just wanna hear someone making sense...and Ron Paul delivers every time.LOL!

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32. Comment #48326 by Galactic Lord Xenu on June 7, 2007 at 1:10 pm

 avatarRon Paul is the only reason that I watch the Republicans at all, too.

Despite his conservative Christian leanings he's one of the few that seem sincere and unrehearsed.

The Democrats, more secular as they may be, want to take this country in the opposite direction I do.

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33. Comment #48542 by Sean on June 8, 2007 at 10:23 am

I'm wondering when we'll see the following debates among the presidential hopefuls.

1) Aliens. Are they grey or green?
2) Santa. Pure white outfit or red and white?
3) Voices in your head. Am I to blame when they compell me to kill?
4) Who's going to be Canada's next top model?
5) Galactic Lord Xenu. Criminal monster or misunderstood inter-galactic uber-fiend?

Philip1978, I know what you mean regarding the UK election. I've no idea who to vote for and it's not getting any easier to decide when all of the big players in British politics are racing to claim Jesus as their personal best friend.

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34. Comment #48767 by padster1976 on June 9, 2007 at 2:44 am

 avatarit would be hilarious if not a tragedy in the way they sound like weathermen!

Its going to be dry with rain.

Sunny with clouds.

Hot with cold spots.

I love god but don't think it should play any part in the country.

By keeping this line, I will appeal to most voters.

Pathetic.

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