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Saturday, June 23, 2007 | Reason : Commentary | print version Print | Comments

Document In the name of the Father

by Richard Harries, Guardian

Reposted from:
http://books.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,,2109068,00.html

It is dangerously wrong to lay the blame for the world's evils at the feet of organised religion as Christopher Hitchens does in God Is Not Great, says Richard Harries

First Dennett, then Dawkins and now Hitchens: and of these three recent diatribes against religion, Christopher Hitchens's is the fiercest. For him religion is an evil that poisons everything and must be extirpated. And, as he has reported from some of the most violent places on earth (Rwanda, Beirut, Sri Lanka, Baghdad and so on), he has plenty of horror stories with which to depress his readers.

The evils perpetrated in the name of religion are real enough, and the intellectual crudities of some of its defenders obvious enough, to allow atheism to pass for a purification. But how is it that the majority of the world's great philosophers, composers, scholars, artists and poets have been believers, often of a very devout kind? Hitchens avoids facing that question by three less-than-subtle sleights of hand.

First, he redefines in his own terms what it is to be a Christian. The faith of Dietrich Bonhoeffer - a passionate follower of Jesus if there ever was one, who met execution for his part in the plot to assassinate Hitler with the words that for him death was a beginning - is described by Hitchens as "an admirable but nebulous humanism". Martin Luther King, whom he greatly admires, is assessed primarily on the grounds that his religious rhetoric was a tool required to galvanise the Bible-reading South against racism.

Second, Hitchens dismisses most of the great intellectual believers of the past on the grounds that their cosmology was outdated. But here he is involved in a fundamental contradiction. He recognises, rightly, that our present scientific understanding of the universe is only at the beginning. In a thousand years' time, if we humans are still around, no doubt our cosmology will be regarded as childish fumbling. But Hitchens's moral outrage against racism, cruelty to children and bigotry will be as valid then as now. Similarly, the philosophical arguments of Kant or Hume or Aquinas and the aesthetic judgments of Plato or Augustine can and ought to be considered in their own right, irrespective of the limitations of their scientific knowledge.

Third, he refuses to consider any modern writing that queries his relentless onslaught. Take just one example, his fifth-form argument that religion is the cause of war. The view of distinguished sociologists such as David Martin is that in the modern world wars are usually caused by factors other than religion, but that because religion is such a crucial marker of identity, it can be used by unscrupulous people to exacerbate conflict. This is a much more plausible account of the relationship between religion and conflict in the modern world than that of the usual pub atheist, and one that you would at least have thought worth examining.

Hitchens acknowledges the example of the schoolfriend who first made him inwardly resist school prayers, leading him to vow that "all postures of submission and surrender should be part of our prehistory". But this misses the point. Religion is rooted in our capacity to recognise and appreciate value; in our search for truth; in our recognition that some things are good in themselves. We may think this is not true, just whistling in the dark. But it is in this capacity to recognise, appreciate and respond to what is of worth that religion has its origin. If "submission and surrender" have a place, it is only in the final insight that, if there is an ultimate goodness, it will by definition make a total difference to the way we view life.

If doctors make the wrong diagnosis it can be disastrous, and this is what Hitchens has done in relation to the ills of humanity. He seems to think that religion is the root of all evil. It isn't. The problem lies with us, especially when we are organised in groups with a dominant ideology, whether secular or religious. His misdiagnosis is not just a baleful intellectual error, it has very serious consequences in the modern world, where religion is now such a major player. It reinforces fundamentalists in their sense that they are a beleaguered, righteous minority, whereas what is needed is some way of getting them into dialogue with others. More seriously, it alienates the millions of ordinary, decent, moderate religious believers who look to their religion to help them in the struggle to live a better life. Most seriously of all, it hinders the alliance that should be forming between people of all shades of belief and unbelief in the basic struggle going on in every country for human rights, peace and economic justice against fanatics of all kinds.

Hitchens looks to a new enlightenment in which religion will disappear (ignoring the fact that the actual enlightenment was the work of Christians and Deists as much as atheists). But even if religion did disappear, which of course it won't, we human beings would still be here, organised in groups of various kinds, still beset by the same lack of self-knowledge, viciousness and moral weakness. Most urgently needed are political arrangements that can best contain, mitigate and overcome the worst effects of this, and here all people of wisdom need to cooperate, whatever the springs of their moral outlook. Hitchens has written a book that is seriously harmful, not because of his attack on religion, some of it deserved, but because he will divert people away from the real problem: which is we human beings, both religious and irreligious.

· Richard Harries was Bishop of Oxford and is an honorary professor of theology at King's College, London. His latest book, The Re-enchantment of Morality: Wisdom for a Troubled World, will be published later in the year by SPCK

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1. Comment #51440 by GodlessHeathen on June 23, 2007 at 1:15 am

 avatarAnother article by a theist that boils down to assuaging theist's fears, bolstering their sense of moral superiority, and proving they didn't understand the book.

Please, anyone, someone, please! Find us a theist who will directly address the problem. Which is not humans, per se, but the dogma and absolute certainty that is the heart of religion's poison.

How can he call the work "seriously harmful"? It casts doubt where there it needs to be.

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2. Comment #51441 by kizumoto on June 23, 2007 at 1:19 am

The view of distinguished sociologists such as David Martin is that in the modern world wars are usually caused by factors other than religion, but that because religion is such a crucial marker of identity, it can be used by unscrupulous people to exacerbate conflict.


And religion has always been more than willing to be used in this way. I often wonder why the atheist writers do not point out more often than they do that while many wars were not fought over religious issues, organized religion, being in the pocket of the powerful, did little to stop them.

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3. Comment #51443 by kizumoto on June 23, 2007 at 1:21 am

Sorry, in my previous message, I tried to use blockguote for the first time, and forgot the / mark in the second one, so the quote and my comment are reversed.

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4. Comment #51447 by arildno on June 23, 2007 at 1:35 am

" In a thousand years' time, if we humans are still around, no doubt our cosmology will be regarded as childish fumbling."

Complete and utter nonsense.

In the antiquity, scientists like Archimedes developed ideas of statics and hydrostatics that are still very admirable.
Once science gets a predictive understanding of, and the means of quantifying, various phenomena, those results lasts for an eternity.

That later scientists may build upon this and gain access to phenomena hitherto unsuspected by science, necessitating the reformulation of theory to incorporate BOTH the old true results, and a satisfactory account of the new phenomena, is completely beside the issue.

It is a fallacy due to ignorance of science to believe that scientific theories are some sort of paradigms essentially unrelated to "what is out there".

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5. Comment #51449 by arildno on June 23, 2007 at 1:39 am

The author totally fails to address the major problem:

Religion is a collection of silly MYTHS, and is therefore totally UNSUITABLE to be social identity markers.
Besides, most of those myths have a vile moral content.

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6. Comment #51455 by PaulJ on June 23, 2007 at 2:03 am

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But how is it that the majority of the world's great philosophers, composers, scholars, artists and poets have been believers, often of a very devout kind?
I would guess that the answer is a simple statistical one: atheists were a minority, so the majority of the world's great anything would have been believers.

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7. Comment #51456 by PaulJ on June 23, 2007 at 2:06 am

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Comment #51443 by kizumoto:

Sorry, in my previous message, I tried to use blockguote for the first time, and forgot the / mark in the second one, so the quote and my comment are reversed.
You can go back and edit, you know...;-)

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8. Comment #51458 by beeline on June 23, 2007 at 2:15 am

 avatarWhat a vacuous piece of writing, Harries. You are essentially saying "Religion is not to blame: we are." Right, so religion somehow exists outside our brains, does it?

Agreed, everyone needs to cooperate and find 'a political solution', but the biggest problem to overcome is that these are RATIONAL processes, that require each side to have some kind of respect for what can be shown to be true, and what cannot, and religions are not prepared to concede any ground here.

As long as they insist that what they think - unqualified by evidence and testing as it is - is 'unquestionably true', and continue to put their fingers in their ears and hum to themselves if challenged, then there is no hope for dialogue, cooperation or 'justice'.

If, as Harries insists, 'the people' are at fault, then perhaps we should try to work out how they've been led astray and hurriedly shoo-ed away from the path of questioning, and stop that from happening. Perhaps we should stop large, powerful , politically-protected institutions from leading people into separatist, segregated factions, so that the guides can increase their hold and wealth by 'helping manage' the struggle (which they themselves have created).

That is Hitchens's message: throw a clog in the machinery of organised religions. They - and the people who support them and benefit from them - bishops included - are as unjust as any organised crime syndicate.

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9. Comment #51459 by Shuggy on June 23, 2007 at 2:17 am

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He seems to think that religion is the root of all evil. It isn't.
Does he anywhere say "all" evil? I'd say of all people, CH is aware of other sources of evil.
The problem lies with us, especially when we are organised in groups with a dominant ideology, whether secular or religious.
So what's his solution? That we re-organise into groups without a dominant ideology, or not into groups, or abolish ourselves?

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10. Comment #51461 by BicycleRepairMan on June 23, 2007 at 2:22 am

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"The evils perpetrated in the name of religion are real enough [...] But...


Find the superfluous word!

The problem with religious crimes is that they really are religious, you really NEED religion to justify them. The same cannot be said about all the good thats been done "In the name of religion" . In every single case, EVERY SINGLE CASE, we can say with certainty that the good was the only decent, moral, and thus rational thing to do.

Find ONE SINGLE EXCEPTION, where you can say that "If this person didnt believe this quite ridiculously supernatural thing about the universe, there is no way he/she could "justify" this Good Thing". Just writing that sentence makes my brain hurt because it would never become even remotely true.

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11. Comment #51464 by alovrin on June 23, 2007 at 2:30 am

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But how is it that the majority of the world's great philosophers, composers, scholars, artists and poets have been believers, often of a very devout kind

They also had really big beards and didnt bathe a lot, had pets and drank copious amounts of alcohol or laudanum, and their table manners were atrocious up until the 19th century. And a lot of them probably had worms, Had slaves, were bad husbands, wore powdered wigs on ceremonial occasions.

Any way my point is,if I can be bothered, there may be a big fella in the sky hiding somewhere, but the cults of worship such as xtainity,islam, hindi. Are not going to bring anyone closer to said big fella, despite the whining and protestations of bishops that it will.
Religion is rooted in our capacity to recognise and appreciate value; in our search for truth;


What value is that exactly, which truth Bishop? As religion seems to be very capricious as to what is valued and what is truth, its almost seems to depend on the time of day in certain instances or the mood of the pope, or whoever is in charge where ever. I dont think the Bishop would know truth if it molested his nether regions.

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12. Comment #51465 by pewkatchoo on June 23, 2007 at 2:31 am

 avatarHo hum. Philosophers would be philosophers, artists would be artists, binmen would be binmen. None of these positions need god. The only people that would be out of a job if we all agreed there is no god would be....

I think you guys really missed the whole point of the article. It was written as a prelude for the ex-Bish to tout his own rather more pathetic offering which you can see at the end of this laborious drivel.

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13. Comment #51468 by Logicel on June 23, 2007 at 2:52 am

 avatarHarries wrote: Hitchens has written a book that is seriously harmful, not because of his attack on religion, some of it deserved, but because he will divert people away from the real problem: which is we human beings, both religious and irreligious.
________

Harries seemed to have read Hitchens book, but not to understand it much. Hitchens often focuses on our limitations as humans, but Hitchens, unlike Harries apparently, does not consider religious concepts to be anything else but man-made. In that regard, Hitchens is focusing on humanity and its problems. Hitchens is willing and able not to pussy foot around the delicate toes of the religious but stomps on them instead--uncomfortable for sure, but not divisive as Hitchens and other atheists are loudly saying that religious believers can keep on believing, as long as they keep it to themselves. But of course, religious believers tend not to keep their religion to themselves.

The religious believers are the ones who need to learn how not to be divisive, and religious apologists are allowing this problem to fester because they refuse to grasp the core issue, which is non-evidential beliefs and the power and arbitrary handing out the status of virtue to faith based on no solid evidence at all.

These moderate religious officials, like the author of this article, are in a pitiable situation, typical of religious affiliation, torn and dysfunctionally pulled/pushed in opposing directions--wanting to help as their vocation demands, but with tools which are dangerously outdated and blunt. Builders of obsolete horse buggies either learned other occupations or became unemployed. What can these moderate religious officials do to take the place of their 'vocation'? Just what does a bishop do? They talk a lot, should they become TV talk hosts?

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14. Comment #51469 by BMMcArdle on June 23, 2007 at 2:55 am

"I respect your right to think of your people as a unique community, separate from the rest of us who don't share your beliefs." What could be more socially divisive?

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15. Comment #51471 by Blue Lithium on June 23, 2007 at 2:59 am

First Dennett, then Dawkins and now Hitchens: and of these three recent diatribes against religion

Is it just me, or is calling Dan Dennett's book a "diatribe against religion" a bit over the top?

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16. Comment #51477 by beeline on June 23, 2007 at 3:55 am

 avatarReligious leaders didn't get where they are today by not being 'a bit over the top'...

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17. Comment #51478 by the great teapot on June 23, 2007 at 4:49 am

"But it is in this capacity to recognise, appreciate and respond to what is of worth that religion has its origin."

Wow, that's quite an admission from a Bishop.
Does that mean religion is man made?
Surely God compelled us to be religious during his various revelations and appearances throughout our history.
I hope his boss doesn't read that.

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18. Comment #51482 by leodavinci on June 23, 2007 at 5:17 am

 avatar'In a thousand years' time, if we humans are still around, no doubt our cosmology will be regarded as childish fumbling'

Ok,so every scientist just stop what you are doing right now and lets all just go and live in lala land - its called incremental progression you arsehole, i'd recommend he read On Giants Shoulders by Melvyn Bragg.

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19. Comment #51489 by L.Minnik on June 23, 2007 at 5:35 am

"Please, anyone, someone, please! Find us a theist who will directly address the problem." - GodlessHeathen

I'm afraid they are in Convert's Corner. ;)

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20. Comment #51503 by robert s on June 23, 2007 at 7:00 am

But how is it that the majority of the world's great philosophers, composers, scholars, artists and poets have been believers, often of a very devout kind?

I might be being dense, but surely the answer is simply, 'because if they hadn't professed belief they would've been executed and their works burned'.

Hard to believe a bishop doesn't know that.

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21. Comment #51509 by GBile on June 23, 2007 at 7:16 am

Again 'the man is a sinner' myth:
But even if religion did disappear, which of course it won't, we human beings would still be here, organised in groups of various kinds, still beset by the same lack of self-knowledge, viciousness and moral weakness.

Religion has always been an evil engine in 'organising man in groups of various kinds'. I am sure the bishop has done his bit in this divide and conquer madness.

But he also hints on the solution in his article, although he might not realize this himself.
He appeals to people of wisdom to cooperate. That's it, no groups of wisdom or congregations of wisdom, but people. I think atheists know this, hence the paucity of 'atheist organisations'. We talk together, cooperate and go our way.

No Bishop needed.

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22. Comment #51692 by Pieter on June 24, 2007 at 5:48 am

What the hell is this guy doing mentioning Plato. My history may be a bit fuzzy, and i'm not a professional logician or anything, but i don't think that anyone who lived in the 4th century before christ worshipped christ. and to my knowledge ecumenicism amongst believers has not yet extended back towards the dead religions we know as mythology.

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23. Comment #51765 by hightrekker on June 24, 2007 at 7:31 pm

OT: To our UK friends----
Pope Keeps Blair Out of Heaven because of Iraq

by emptywheel

Via Cannonfire, I see that Pope former-Nazi has finally done something worthwhile with his position: he told the Poodle that God meant it about that commandment that, Thou shalt not kill.

Tony Blair yesterday used his last official foreign engagement before leaving office to tell Pope Benedict he wanted to become a Roman Catholic, a Vatican source said last night.

But, in talks lasting more than half an hour, the outgoing Prime Minister was left in no doubt that the Pope took a dim view of his record in office.

[snip]

Vatican sources said the Pope remained unmoved in his view that Blair had been wrong over Iraq.

The whole exchange seems worthy of Monty Python, really. Now perhaps we can hope that Pope former-Nazi starts telling American far right Catholics that that commandment not only applies to Bush's little war, but also to the death penalty.

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24. Comment #51766 by phasmagigas on June 24, 2007 at 7:51 pm

 avatarquote: In a thousand years' time, if we humans are still around, no doubt our cosmology will be regarded as childish fumbling :unquote

thats indefensible and very insulting considering the comsmology he proposes.

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25. Comment #51773 by troyreynolds86 on June 24, 2007 at 8:38 pm

"The problem lies with us, especially when we are organised in groups with a dominant ideology, whether secular or religious."

OK, define secular. I would refer to secular, as I think most atheists would, as a society where individual ideologies of all kinds are put aside and the society operates based upon informed rational discussion, where ideas are argued by merit, not as absolutes that must be followed because of a divine order or a philosophical imperative imposed by the governmental powers. Stalin's regime (Harries reference to secular I think) was never secular as I would call it. If the writer is implying that we do need to maginalized all absolute ideologies, I think he would find a simpathetic audience here. This is the message that all of the "anti-religion" authors that are being bashed by the religious responders. We need to remove the irrational absolutism from our public discussions. Perhaps they simply skipped those chapters.

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