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Africa needs atheism and rationality like a plant needs water.
3. Comment #52189 by konquererz on June 26, 2007 at 12:52 pm
4. Comment #52193 by MIND_REBEL on June 26, 2007 at 12:56 pm
5. Comment #52195 by Dr Benway on June 26, 2007 at 12:59 pm
If you speak out against religion you are immediately seen as demonic.You did name your group "Architecture Of Aggression," so you must want to frighten someone.
6. Comment #52202 by Deicide on June 26, 2007 at 1:11 pm
Ah yes, Metal speaking out against religion... most metal bands are non religious and many have explicitly anti-religious themes and lyrics, but a music festival dedicated to freedom from religion? Don't think I've heard of that before.7. Comment #52221 by Mat on June 26, 2007 at 2:00 pm
@ Mind Rebel: I've lived and worked in Africa for many years, mainly eastern, but I currently live and work in South Africa. Their religious traditions are not the only thing that is holding them back. I'd certainly agree that the baleful influence of religion (mainly Christian promotion of the idea that black and white should not mix, which was one of the bases of apartheid) in South Africa has been profound, but looking at the continent as a whole, there are many, many problems that are holding them back. Some are self-inflicted, some emphatically aren't. That's not to say I think they shouldn't embrace rationality - it would be wonderful if they did. However, even if they did, there would still be many pressing problems that they would need to combat over many years. Still, I'm glad these rockers are taking up the issue. South Africa is still a very, very religious country, across the board.8. Comment #52229 by Spinoza on June 26, 2007 at 2:23 pm
Their religious traditions are the only thing holding them back.
9. Comment #52232 by pewkatchoo on June 26, 2007 at 2:33 pm
10. Comment #52301 by PaulEmecz on June 26, 2007 at 4:44 pm
"We want to challenge the religious to read the texts of other religions and not to hate or judge other people because they don't know or understand them."
"The religious do not take what they're told and think about it; they take it literally,"
11. Comment #52360 by BT Murtagh on June 26, 2007 at 9:02 pm
12. Comment #52377 by Spinoza on June 26, 2007 at 10:40 pm
13. Comment #52395 by Apemanblues on June 27, 2007 at 12:56 am
14. Comment #52434 by Deicide on June 27, 2007 at 3:05 am
The satanism in metal is usually mere imagery, aimed at being an abraisive message against mainstream religions. Few bands actually believe in satan, and some of those who claim to may just be trying to outdo their fellow bands in a SpinalTap-esque sort of way; being over the top and more extreme than their competition in order to get attention. Kerry King, guitarist for Slayer (one of the biggest metal bands of the last two decades), writes openly satanic messages but in interviews says it is all because "religion is the biggest bullshit story ever told."15. Comment #52437 by mmurray on June 27, 2007 at 3:14 am
If they get Dr Dawkins out there, people won't be encouraged to read religious texts from other religions!
16. Comment #52453 by John Phillips on June 27, 2007 at 4:05 am
PaulEmecz: You do amuse me, you accuse them of sweeping generalisations and then make one yourself with your statementIf they get Dr Dawkins out there, people won't be encouraged to read religious texts from other religions!All this does is show that you haven't actually listened to or read much by RD, have you. For if you had you would have heard him say repeatedly that he believes that everybody should be taught both the history of religions and comparative religion and then left to make up their own minds on what to believe, or not. His thinking being, and one I share, that if everybody studied the history of religions and saw for themselves how each claims to be the true religion yet are all filled with a myriad contradictions, that the majority of children would come to the obvious conclusion that it is all bunk. Perhaps this is the reason that very few religious people, irrespective of faith, allow the teaching of a genuine comparative religion class to their children. At least not beyond the most shallow of such examinations, and we all know why that is.
17. Comment #52620 by PaulEmecz on June 27, 2007 at 2:29 pm
My memory of The God Delusion is he was keen on people studying comparative religion.
he believes that everybody should be taught both the history of religions and comparative religion
A good case can indeed be made for the educational benefits of teaching comparative religion... what transparent nonsense this is! These faiths are mutually incompatible... Let children learn about different faiths, let them notice their incompatibility, and let them draw their own conclusions about the consequences of that incompatibility.
"a field of study seeking to derive general principles from a comparison and classification of the growth and influence of various religions."
Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
18. Comment #52627 by kkant on June 27, 2007 at 2:43 pm
Deicide writes:19. Comment #52684 by BT Murtagh on June 27, 2007 at 6:17 pm
20. Comment #52986 by John Phillips on June 28, 2007 at 11:38 pm
Paul: Actually, if you reread my post that is exactly what I said. I.e. give children the chance to see the myriad contradictions in each religion and left to their own they will soon see it for the BS it is. When I did comparative religion as a teenager it was looking at the different beliefs, histories and philosophies of the worlds major religions, i.e. compare them. It was the first I had ever really thought about the subject, even though I was notionally a xtian, and soon saw it for the irrational rubbish it was. It is the main reason that I have been an atheist now for 40+ years, ironically it happened in a CofW (Anglican) school.
1. Comment #52177 by MIND_REBEL on June 26, 2007 at 12:22 pm
Africa needs atheism and rationality like a plant needs water.
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